Were you so disappointed to not claim post number 1000 or 1500 that you had to make a "test" to log number 1600?
rjm33 wrote:
Just a test...
Were you so disappointed to not claim post number 1000 or 1500 that you had to make a "test" to log number 1600?
rjm33 wrote:
Just a test...
rjm33 wrote:
Here is more...if you like rambling conspiracy stories...
I looked for information on the managers of the top 3 men at the Rotterdam marathon today.
I could not find out who the managers are of the first place Marius Kipserem, or 2nd place Solomnon Deksisa. I did find out that the 3rd place finisher Geoffrey Kirui...is managed by ...Jos Hermens of the Netherlands!
I also found out that the winner of today's Rome marathon... in Italy, which was won by Amos Kipruto in his debut in 2:08:12...trains in a training group which has Dickson Chumba- 2:04:32 marathon, and Solomon Kirwa Yego-a 58:44 half marathoner. Both Chumba and Yego have another Italian manager by the name of GIANNI DEMADONNA.
Gianni Demadonna was also the manager since 2002 of Moses Mosop, 2:03:06 marathoner. Renato Canova has also been the coach of Moses Mosop since 2002. Moses Mosop at some point left Demadonna management...and at the time of his 2:03 marathon was managed by...Jos Hermens... of the Netherlands!
Moses Mosop has also been married to the world record holder in the halfmarathon at 1:05:09, Florence Kiplagat...who is also coached by Renato Canova since 2008...and managed by Jos Hermens (although I have also read that she was with Gianni Demadona management in the past...so I am not quite sure which management she is with now).
When Claudio Berardelli had his contract terminated by Frederico Rosa...because of the outbreak of weak mind disease at his camp... with 3 doping positives including Rita Jeptoo's EPO positive..
....he got a new contract with Gianni Demadonna!!!
Claudio Berardelli in the past... was also the coach of Stanley Biwott, the NYC marathon winner...and Priscah Jeptoo, 2:20:14 marathon, 1:05 half marathon while running away from Meseret Defar and Tirunesh Dibaba like they were high school girls... and 2012 Olympic marathon silver medalist. She used to be Rita Jeptoo's training partner and also has Frederico Rosa as her manager.
Here is an interview with Asbel Kiprop (managed by Rosa)...when Claudio Berardelli's contract was terminated by Frederico Rosa... and then Claudio Berardelli got a new contract with Gianni Demadonna management:
http://www.runblogrun.com/2015/12/asbel-kiprop-speaks-out-on-dr-rosa-and-associati-management-and-the-exit-of-claudio-beradelli.htmlHere is a chronology of Italian managers and coaches arrival in Kenya:
1) Dr. Gabriele Rosa arrives in Kenya in 1991
2) Dr. Frederico Rosa arrives in Kenya in 1996
3) Renato Canova arrives in Kenya around 1998
4) Claudio Berardelli arrives in Kenya around 2004
5) Gianni Demadonna arrives in Kenya around... ???
You wrote an immigration log of Italian managers and you called it a conspiracy theory. Did you accidentally leave out the theory?
rekrunner wrote:
If you think the IAAF/WADA/UKAD/Pound/Saugy/Radcliffe/Coe are not trustworthy, by all means -- I'm completely in favor of giving everything to independent experts, even Ashenden and Parisotto, and letting them play the full role of the ABP panel expert. So far they lacked the "context" to get beyond a preliminary screening stage.
Ross Tucker might not be qualified to sit on an ABP expert panel, but by all means, let him review the whole package and offer his educated opinion.
Pound and WADA did offer a pretty clear position regarding the leaked data for ALL athletes including Paula:
- pre-2009 data cannot be construed as evidence of doping, legally or otherwise
Is there anyone here who (still) considers IAAF/WADA/UKAD/Pound/Saugy/Radcliffe/Coe trustworthy? The corrupt briberies, the ignorance towards corrupt briberies, the destroyed samples, the misleading and contradicting statements all forgiven and forgotten?
If so, here some reminders (old news though):
http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/wada-independent-commission-part-1-recap/http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/wada-finds-senior-iaaf-staff-were-aware-of-corruption/http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/the-destruction-of-samples-and-martial-saugy/http://runningmagazine.ca/wada-investigator-dick-pound-criticizes-iaaf-president-seb-coe/As for the pre-2009 data, I have shown before to you that even the IAAF has used such data as evidence, stated here in their own words:
"Instead, in its submissions to the CAS, the IAAF carefully distinguished the pre-2009 data from the subsequent data,113 and cited it only as corroborative evidence going to sanction only."
And exactly that could be done here because of Paula's 16.2 g/dl in 2012.
counting wrote:
Were you so disappointed to not claim post number 1000 or 1500 that you had to make a "test" to log number 1600?
rjm33 wrote:Just a test...
To be fair, it's equally informative when compared to most of his recent "Hey Fred...." posts.
Alos, don't forget Tadese began his career as a cyclist... http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/tadese-is-the-wheel-deal-802565.htmlMaybe had ties with the infamous Ufe Fuentes!
rjm33 wrote:
Here is another interesting case of possible weak mind disease...
Zersenay Tadese...the world record holder in the half-marathon at 58:23 from Eritrea...
.....actually is based for most of the year in Madrid, Spain....
His Spanish coach has the name...Jeronimo Bravo....(Really?).....
Do you like how the conspiracy story is developing?...every day!...
http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/eritrea/zersenay-tadese-189002....still waiting on the 200 Dr. Fuentes blood bags....things tend to move a bit slowly in the Spanish court system...
Autologous!...I actually thought the name of his coach actually being ...Jeronimo Bravo...
...was a good one...
Remember the times on other threads when Renato Canova told us that the Italian 2008 50k walk gold medalist Alex Schwazer was absolutely clean when he won the gold medal in 2008...but like Rita Jeptoo...he also came down with a case of weak mind...ONLY just before the 2012 Olympics...when he had a positive test for EPO and was banned. His ban ends this month in April, 2016...so he can compete at the Olympics again later this year in Rio.
Here is another point where I disagree with Renato...since there is email evidence of Alex Schwazer having talks with Dr. Michele Ferrari about the use of EPO.
...It turns out that they were not exchanging pasta recipes in emails...although I have heard that Dr. Michele Ferrari has a really good pasta RECIPE!!!....
Here is the article about Alex Schwazer and Dr. Michele Ferrari!...
...as readers will find out...there is also a famous female figure skater involved in the conspiracy story!!!.......
http://wintergames.ap.org/article/kostner-skips-doping-hearing-schwazer-case
...and let's not forget our Kenyan doper who was as the Rotterdam marathon just yesterday...
...Hmmm...
...I personally agree with Carolina Kostner...the altitude chambers are not convenient and very loud and obnoxious!...
...a much more convenient...inexpensive...quiet...fresh...and beautiful option...
...would be to live at 2160m (7100ft.)...
counting wrote:
Were you so disappointed to not claim post number 1000 or 1500 that you had to make a "test" to log number 1600?
rjm33 wrote:Just a test...
....That was not the 'real' rjm33...but someone doing something completely false...
............like all of Paula's false explanations....
Here is how to do an explanation...and it is from Marco Pantani...1998 TDF winner...
One day...when an insulin SYRINGE with insulin in it... was found in Pantani's hotel room...and then became a news story...his plausible explanation that was accepted as perfectly OK by the UCI was....
...that was not my insulin syringe found in my hotel room... it must of been put there by someone else... I did not even sleep in my hotel room last night!...because I was sleeping somewhere else last night!...
...See Maria Sharapova!!!....See how to do a fantastic explanation!!!...
.........the true masters...and true human experimental lab rats....members of professional cycling teams...
rjm33 wrote:
...I personally agree with Carolina Kostner...the altitude chambers are not convenient and very loud and obnoxious!...
...a much more convenient...inexpensive...quiet...fresh...and beautiful option...
...would be to live at 2160m (7100ft.)...
In 1983 I had an altitude simulator that supposedly removed oxygen from the air by sucking it through plastic canisters ( containing bar-lime pellets? ). My buddy said cover up half the intake hole, and go to 13,600. I puked for 16 hours, went to the hospital and told them I had altitude sickness. Who knows.
rjm33 wrote:
counting wrote:Were you so disappointed to not claim post number 1000 or 1500 that you had to make a "test" to log number 1600?
....That was not the 'real' rjm33...but someone doing something completely false...
............like all of Paula's false explanations....
Here is how to do an explanation...and it is from Marco Pantani...1998 TDF winner...
One day...when an insulin SYRINGE with insulin in it... was found in Pantani's hotel room...and then became a news story...his plausible explanation that was accepted as perfectly OK by the UCI was....
...that was not my insulin syringe found in my hotel room... it must of been put there by someone else... I did not even sleep in my hotel room last night!...because I was sleeping somewhere else last night!...
...See Maria Sharapova!!!....See how to do a fantastic explanation!!!...
.........the true masters...and true human experimental lab rats....members of professional cycling teams...
Hincapie
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/body-odd/what-wrong-tour-de-france-cyclists-leg-f1C6437238Hi Fred!! ....I am glad you are back...because ...someone was actually trying to attempt a little sabotage.Your are lucky you did not kill yourself with your little lab experiment!I am going to make a wild guess... that you did not grow up to be a doctor today....Are you a doctor...Fred?...And Fred...Have you ever been a member of a professional cycling team?...
fred wrote:
rjm33 wrote:...I personally agree with Carolina Kostner...the altitude chambers are not convenient and very loud and obnoxious!...
...a much more convenient...inexpensive...quiet...fresh...and beautiful option...
...would be to live at 2160m (7100ft.)...
In 1983 I had an altitude simulator that supposedly removed oxygen from the air by sucking it through plastic canisters ( containing bar-lime pellets? ). My buddy said cover up half the intake hole, and go to 13,600. I puked for 16 hours, went to the hospital and told them I had altitude sickness. Who knows.
Fred...
In another thread someone said that they considered eating specific foods or even just eating more food ...could be considered doping...
...so... I am now back here... and I am really steamed!
Someone on the other thread may have implied that Jo Pavey has been cheating by wearing compression socks!
He really is asking for it ....isn't he???
fred wrote:
rjm33 wrote:
.......Go Jo Pavey!!!.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAVji5hK7-E
......Hey Fred......
............Do you think you could get me Jo Pavey's phone number?........Sure, Tel 0044 207935 8000
Fred!!!.......Did you enjoy this video of Jo Pavey...with Steve Cram screaming...."Come on Jo Pavey!!!!.." ....Jo is fantastic!!!...
I watched that video 37 times just last night!
..and thanks for getting me her phone number...
However...some problems developed when I called Jo Pavey last night...
...It turns out that I forgot about the time zone difference... and I called around 3:16 am local time...
...and then it turns out...her husband Gavin picked up the phone...and told me that I was a lunatic... and that he was going to call the authorities in Britain about me...
...so... next time I call Jo ...I will be sure to be more aware of the local time in Britain...
....After seeing the video...I am now even more in love with Jo Pavey than I was even a week ago!...
...........Go Jo Pavey!!!.....the real deal!!!..........
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6881090&page=79#ixzz45Z6ifNG8
rjm33 wrote:
Just a test...
It certainly feels like one :(
Let's do a summary for you with a list of runners all managed by Frederico Rosa...and some were also coached by Claudio Berardelli before Frederico Rosa terminated his contract ... which happened after the 2014 interview you can read below in a link. After Claudio Berardelli's contract was terminated by Rosa...he was given a new contract with Gianni Demadonna.
Runners managed by Frederico Rosa:
1) Pamela Chepchumba...EPO positive ban in 2003 at World cross champs...who is not mentioned in the interview when Frederico Rosa is asked if there have been any other of his runners with previous positive doping tests. It is interesting that he would forget to mention her.
2) Matthew Kisorio... anabolic steroid nandrolone positive ban in 2012 ...mentioned in article just above describing wide scale doping encouraged by doctors who get a percentage of the MONEY that is won. Kisorio just ran in the Rotterdam marathon (held in the Netherlands!)...yesterday...but dropped out. He is a 58 min half marathoner. He was also coached by Claudio Berardelli.
3) Rita Jeptoo...2:18:57 marathon...EPO positive ban in 2014. She was also coached by Claudio Berardelli.
4) Agatha Jeruto...800m runner...banned for anabolic steroid norandrosterone in 2015...after this 2014 interview with Frederico Rosa. She was also coached by Claudio Berardelli.
Do you see a pattern of coincidences developing?
http://running.competitor.com/2014/11/news/rita-jeptoos-agent-federico-rosa_117410
Here is Matthew Kisorio describing wide scale doping in Kenya:
Do you see any conspiracy?
...I do...
Jos Hermens from the NETHERLANDS and Global Sports Communications (GSC)...was manager to Gebrselassie and Bekele, and now many of the top Kenyan and Ethiopian runners in the world for many years. He also has a GSC training camp in Kenya that is run by Patrick Sang.
Here is a story connecting Jos Hermens to the famous Operation Puerto doping scandal back in 2006...which also involved Dr. Fuentes of Spain.
and more recent problems involving his runner Abeba Aregawi,1500m world champion...that just tested positive for meldonium in 2016...
Why is a manager from the Netherlands sending his German athletes to a doctor in Spain...that just by coincidence is involved in the huge Operation Puerto doping scandal in 2006?
I guess manager Jos Hermens from the Netherlands was just very unlucky in picking the doctor for his athletes to go see...
Is the conspiracy theory becoming a bit more clear?
...hmmm...
rjm33 wrote:
Autologous!...
Renato has known Rita Jeptoo and her coach Claudio Berardelli for years.
Frederico Rosa had to terminate Claudio's contract!!!
http://athleticsillustrated.com/editorial/claudio-berardelli-has-contract-terminated-in-light-of-more-kenyan-doping/and here are some other athletes managed by Rosa: Stanley Biwott, Asbel Kiprop, Bedan Karoki, and Paul Tanui.
hmmm...
rjm33 wrote:
As the story moves across the world... to the Rotterdam marathon in the Netherlands tomorrow... let's not forget manager Jos Hermens from the Netherlands...with a past connection to Operation Puerto:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics-claims-over-a-doping-network-are-crazy-says-hermens-425356.htmlJos Hermens has managed: Haile Gebrselassie, Kenenisa Bekele, Geoffrey Kamworor, Eliud Kipchoge, Florence Kiplagat, Viola Kibiwot, Faith Kipyegon, Sifan Hassan, Taoufik Makhloufi, and Abeba Aregawi -1500m world champion in 2013 (meldonium positive in 2016).
http://athleticsillustrated.com/editorial/jos-hermens-i-have-never-been-involved-or-assisted-any-athlete-at-anytime-to-dope/Also from the Netherlands is manager Gerard Van De Veen who is the manager for Geoffrey Mutai, Dennis Kimetto, and Wilson Kipsang.
.....hmmm.....nothing to see here...move along now.......
rjm33 wrote:
Martin Lel was coached by Claudio Berardelli and managed by Frederico Rosa.
Paul Tergat and Sammy Wanjiru were managed by Frederico Rosa.
Emmanuel Mutai 2:03:13 has manager Michel Boeting..from the Netherlands.
Stephen Kiprotich...the 2012 Olympic champion from Uganda... is managed by Jos Hermens.
Abel Kirui...coached by Renato Canova...has manager Jos Hermens.
It looks like the list of all time greats from Kenyan and Ethiopian distance running are all managed by either:
... Jos Hermens from the Netherlands... Gerard Van De Veen from the Netherlands...Michel Boeting from the Netherlands...
...or Frederico Rosa from Italy.
Why are the runners of these managers so much more successful... than the managers in the rest of the world?
Is there a magic formula that is only from the Netherlands... and Italy?
...This must be just another coincidence...
rjm33 wrote:
What are the odds that a manager... that nobody has ever heard of from the Netherlands... named Gerard Van De Veen.. has three runners this good that he manages?
1) Dennis Kimetto- 2:02:57, 2:03:45, 2:04:16
2) Wilson Kipsang- 2:03:23, 2:03:42, 2:04, etc.
3) Geoffrey Mutai- 2:03:02, 2:04:15, 2:05:06 at NYC
4) and another manager from the Netherlands named Michel Boeting is manager of Emmanuel Mutai at 2:03:13.
That is a total of 6 2:03 marathons by 4 Kenyan runners with managers from the Netherlands!!!....that are not named Jos Hermens!...
WOW!