neck less wrote:
NAU did choke, stop making excuses.
Maybe Smith is not the greatest, the teams he inherited won, now it's on him, lets see how they develop?
This is world-class idiocy here. Mike Smith has done a great job and if you haven't noticed they've won the previous three years. I would only attribute that first year to being a Heins creation.
14th Furman !! 28th in the last Coaches poll@
throwyouro wrote:
furmann wrote:
I love that Furman (14th) is pretty much just as good as Oregon (9th).
What a great sport.
There are 73 points that say otherwise
I know, I know, but Furman put their first five in before Oregon.
What happened to Andrew Jordan?
It goes without saying that any mormon doesn't have a clue about science or facts so I won't even bother trying to explain on here why the age is an advantage.
Now Erica Birk is certainly at a disadvantage due to her faith as she is a mom, and makes what she is doing that much more impressive, so good for her.
pontl wrote:
alshaw wrote:
Why is it an advantage to be a 24-25 year old senior who took 2 years off (cuz going for a run once a month doesn’t count as running) compared to being 22-23? If the NCAA and BYU were to do away with the missions and have a group of guys the same age as everyone else, I would bet money BYU does as well or better on average.
Having to figure out who’s coming and going to/from missions and who’s gonna get back in shape is not an advantage.
The age-old lie of a sedentary mission. “One run a month.” Intellectually dishonest from a people who are supposed to have strong morals.
Ummm, I literally served with a kid who is on the team right now and he probably ran 20 times for the entire two years...so it is not a lie. I went running with him once and we ran like 2 miles at a 8:00 pace and we were exhausted. It is a huge disadvantage
Buster Cherry wrote:
haters lose again wrote:
Ha ha, haters. The average age of BYU's top 5 is 22. Two didn't go on missions. Three are sophomores. Casey Clinger is back next year. NAU is human after all. Looks like lots of people crying in their beer in Flagstaff and Palo Alto tonight, and for years to come.
But please, just go on hating. It provides an extra boost as a BYU athlete to know that every time you win, some weirdo hater on the Internet is going to burst an artery in rage. It's a great deal, actually. You supply the pure hate for free, and BYU runs on it.
A few things:
- You act like having an average age of 22 isn't an advantage...I guarantee no schools have an average age that high outside of maybe Utah State (don't know as much about their roster / how many missions were involved)
- Something tells me that Mormons have learned to tune out the hate and ignore outside perspectives by now
- I have no affiliation to any school that was running today. Just want the most fair result
- The arguments from others saying age doesn't make a difference are clearly false...there is a reason you don't see 19 year olds winning USAs
- Did Conner Mantz also get a redshirt year in addition to his mission?? It looks like he graduated high school in 2015 so sat out the 2015, 2016, and 2017 cross country seasons? If so, what a joke
Being older and being in shape would be an advantage I think. Not training for two years is a disadvantage. First year back from a mission a person would be disadvantaged. Second year probably even, After that there probably is an advantage for having gone on a mission and being older. I think I'm open minded about this. I don't see how anyone can think there isn't a disadvantage for not training for two years. The advantage of not training for two years and the advantage for being older work against each other. The only question in my mind is when does the disadvantage go away and it start to become an advantage.
So the Adams State women ended up with 23 points. Is that good?
Remember when the LDS church got frustrated that Frank Jackson let it slip a few years ago that you can work out on mission trips?
Two articles with info from Frank:
LDS Church trying to walk it back and blame it on the writer:
The nay sayers will never be satisfied. I am a 59 year old retired Army officer, physician, and BYU graduate. Just a few points I would like to make:
1. Not sure why people can't believe someone that says they couldn't run more than once a week on their mission? I served a mission 40 years ago and only of of my missionary companions was willing to run so I couldn't run. Connor Mantz has posted that he gained 30 pounds on his mission. Yes some can run... most cannot. My oldest son walked on for BYU 15 years ago as a freshman and made the team but never was able to make the team after his mission. He has a 2:22 marathon to his credit.
2. BYU held out two of their runners from regionals and not a lot of people made a big deal about that or even noticed. For the last week all we heard about was the dominant NAU team and that it was a forgone conclusion who was going to win. Maybe what we saw today was excellent coaching by Ed Eyestone and a team win for people that have had signifcant disappointment in the last few years?
3. If age really mattered that much why hasn't BYU dominated for the last few decades?
4. Why do I bother responding to trolls?
5. I wish people could enjoy the sport and not bring such bias and bigotry into what actually was a fairly big surprise. The races get run because predictions mean nothing, in the end. What a fun day for a BYU fan! We have had more disappointments than actual celebrations at the NCAA champoinships so we'll take this day and enjoy it.
usnspecialist wrote:
whatttttkjgj wrote:
So the winning time was 30:32. Now thats a great year in NCAA Div.1 xc .
It was raining pretty heavily during men's race based on livestream, so that would explain slower times a bit. Plus in xc times really don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Heavy drizzle until 2nd half of mens race.
What??? wrote:
pontl wrote:
The age-old lie of a sedentary mission. “One run a month.” Intellectually dishonest from a people who are supposed to have strong morals.
Ummm, I literally served with a kid who is on the team right now and he probably ran 20 times for the entire two years...so it is not a lie. I went running with him once and we ran like 2 miles at a 8:00 pace and we were exhausted. It is a huge disadvantage
Yeah that was about my experience as well. I can back unable to run faster than 5:45 for an all out mile.
Don’t know what lack of intellectual honesty you’re referring to. Maybe your lack of intellect is complicating things?
I’m fully aware that being older is a likely advantage if all other variables are controlled. But that’s not the case for lds missionaries. And taking 2 years off of running is enough to make me question how much of an advantage it actually is just being older.
Did the Athlete Special go home devastated?[/quote
Not that surprising. I don’t know how Georgetown can compete in real xc when all their workouts are on a track and all their regular runs are flat. He had a hell of a season. He’ll have a solid track season. I appreciate his content. He’s not without flaws, but who is - especially at age 22? Go pound sand.
Kind of a crap meet.
Anyone else remember being 23? I was out on my own, working, finding a place to live, so on and so forth.
Not running against teenagers.
Cowards.
pontl wrote:
alshaw wrote:
Why is it an advantage to be a 24-25 year old senior who took 2 years off (cuz going for a run once a month doesn’t count as running) compared to being 22-23? If the NCAA and BYU were to do away with the missions and have a group of guys the same age as everyone else, I would bet money BYU does as well or better on average.
Having to figure out who’s coming and going to/from missions and who’s gonna get back in shape is not an advantage.
The age-old lie of a sedentary mission. “One run a month.” Intellectually dishonest from a people who are supposed to have strong morals.
Did you go on a mission? How would you know? I went in the 80's (Taiwan) and the only time I remember running was playing soccer a couple of times on our preparation day (preparation day is once a week) and one time when we had a mini mission track meet and whoever wanted ran a mile and/or a 100m race (I think I ran it in 6:00 or so and that was the best I could do). There was no running training. I rode a bike a couple of miles/day and walked a couple of miles/day and that was all the cardio there was. Some might get in more than that but training is not what a mission is about and missionaries are way too busy to be doing much of it. We were up by 6:30, got ready, had personal scripture study, language study, group scripture study and out the door by 9:30. We might take one hour off for lunch and one hour for dinner and worked tell 9 to 9:30. Went back our apartment (maybe hit a night market on the way home), wrote in journal, talked a bit, in bed by 10:30. That was the daily schedule Tues-Sunday. Mondays was our preparation day. Still up at 6:30 but had free time from then tell 5:30 pm and then worked tell 9-9:30 like other days. On p-days, we would write letters, go sight-seeing a little, hike, play basketball or soccer, go grocery shopping, wash clothes, and pick up supplies needed for the next week. It was very busy. While out working and knocking on doors or riding the bike to the work area, I would be memorizing lessons or Chinese vocabulary. It was very, very busy! I did something that no other missionary I lived with did and that was I got up at 5:30 a.m. most days and would do some calisthenics workout in the apartment (couldn't leave the apartment without a companion so didn't go running). I would do push-ups, dips, sit-ups, and stuff like that. I think missionaries now-days are given 30-min to exercise in their schedule each day. When I went ,we did not get that. I think I took maybe one nap the whole time on my mission in the day with the exception of a couple of days when I was sick and stayed in bed.
BYU might have an advantage and it might even be an unfair one, but as far as anyone can tell they're doing it by the books.
Afaik what BYU is doing is a better model than grinding kids out from 18-22 like everyone else does. Wish I'd have had the advantages of being in a community that takes care of each other like that.
The earth is 6000 years old wrote:
It goes without saying that any mormon doesn't have a clue about science or facts so I won't even bother trying to explain on here why the age is an advantage.
Now Erica Birk is certainly at a disadvantage due to her faith as she is a mom, and makes what she is doing that much more impressive, so good for her.
Bigot allert!
Men's last mile
If this idea of taking two years off to do things that aren’t related to running is such a huge advantage then why don’t other schools copy this model?
They could require each athlete to join the peace corp for two years and then come back mature men to dominate just like BYU!
Why not everyone else then? wrote:
If this idea of taking two years off to do things that aren’t related to running is such a huge advantage then why don’t other schools copy this model?
They could require each athlete to join the peace corp for two years and then come back mature men to dominate just like BYU!
you know the answer to that question