tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:
ok Malmo here is the smoking gun. Registered handle. Clearly not a fabrication. Ban this fool already.
Coevett wrote:
I lived in London most of my adult life and I've met just about every nationality on Earth, and the Kenyans I encountered were amongst the most stupid of all.
Saw it. Deleted it. See how easy that was?
Why didn't you report it a year ago?
malmo wrote:
tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:
ok Malmo here is the smoking gun. Registered handle. Clearly not a fabrication. Ban this fool already.
Saw it. Deleted it. See how easy that was?
Why didn't you report it a year ago?
Who knows I probably did report it a year ago. The stuff i report tends not to get deleted for a day or two at the earliest, but often never does. But in the meantime any posts I make pointing out the racist posts get deleted within minutes. Why is that?
malmo wrote:
tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:
ok Malmo here is the smoking gun. Registered handle. Clearly not a fabrication. Ban this fool already.
Saw it. Deleted it. See how easy that was?
Why didn't you report it a year ago?
Yet again, Malmo, you care more about the flaws of the people pointing out the problem rather than the problem itself.
the gentleman wrote:
malmo wrote:
Saw it. Deleted it. See how easy that was?
Why didn't you report it a year ago?
Yet again, Malmo, you care more about the flaws of the people pointing out the problem rather than the problem itself.
exactly.
His M.O. would be calling me a lunatic while deleting my posts pointing out that very post a year ago.
the gentleman wrote:
malmo wrote:
Saw it. Deleted it. See how easy that was?
Why didn't you report it a year ago?
Yet again, Malmo, you care more about the flaws of the people pointing out the problem rather than the problem itself.
What's wrong with you? You pointed it out. Thank you. It's been deleted. End of story.,
malmo wrote:
the gentleman wrote:
Yet again, Malmo, you care more about the flaws of the people pointing out the problem rather than the problem itself.
What's wrong with you? You pointed it out. Thank you. It's been deleted. End of story.,
If it’s end of story why do you continue to antagonize the forum? You’re not demonstrating the restraint we would like to see in OUR moderators.
malmo wrote:
the gentleman wrote:
Yet again, Malmo, you care more about the flaws of the people pointing out the problem rather than the problem itself.
What's wrong with you? You pointed it out. Thank you. It's been deleted. End of story.,
the topic of this thread is the moderation policies of this board. His post is on topic.
He's probably referring to the fact that the issue is not one post. Deleting one post doesn't solve the main issue. It's the moderation on this board that allows post like that to remain up while rapidly deleting multiple posts pointing them out. That is the issue that you keep avoiding answering. Why pretend to be having a discussion about moderation issues if you won't address that one?
malmo wrote:
Saw it. Deleted it. See how easy that was?
Why didn't you report it a year ago?
Yet again, Malmo, you care more about the flaws of the people pointing out the problem rather than the problem itself.[/quote]
What's wrong with you? You pointed it out. Thank you. It's been deleted. End of story.,[/quote]
here's very clearly why it is not "End of Story"
I have reported many vile posts and you have refused to delete them, even after many posts have been created pointing them out again and again. Often you openly mock the person pointing them out. Here is an example that has now been up for almost a year. It goes into great detail about how to kill liberals in this country. It was reported...and ..post after post pointing it out were deleted...and deleted....and deleted...and deleted. What is your explanation?
Why didn't you "See it. Delete it. End of Story" this one?
This isn't really a political battle as much as its a battle for our country. The Socialist Democrats think this sh*t is just politics. We wont allow our generation to be the ones who give up to socialism. Its a hill we have to be willing to die on. If they take it there, we finish it. 100 million gun owners, 300 million guns, 1 trillion rounds of ammo.
Don’t underestimate them either. Be prepared for the UN to get involved. Blue helmets are a valid target. Let them come in, surround them, and take them out. Eventually some ‘blue helmets’ that come patrolling through your neighborhoods may not even be from the UN, they may invaders from China/Russia. Take no chances.
California will have to be burnt to the ground with wildfires and they will need to be overwhelmed. California conservatives will have it the toughest, but make sure you read the warning signs and flee before sh*t hits the fan. Keep tabs with what the boys at Camp Pendleton are up to if possible. They’re the canary in California. They’re roughly 70-80% on our side and will already be ahead of the game on all of this and will tell you what’s going on. In fact, it is good advice for everyone to have contacts in the military as soon as possible, some of those guys are already worried and even now are already planning. They know what Trump being impeached means. Life isn’t just going to go on and Mike Pence doesn’t just waltz into being the president. The powder keg will have been lit and those who are too late to realize it will be ill-prepared for what happens next.
Start looking on youtube right now what a go-bag is amongst other things right now and start meeting up with local conservatives so you can coordinate. Soon enough, we’ll form ‘chapters’ around the nation with a hierarchy of leadership. These chapters will then coordinate with the military also. Communication infrastructure and agricultural areas will be defended the heaviest. Water supplies as well. Even if they can push out the cities and get to the farms, we will prolong their starvation by burning those farms as we can strategically retreat if need be. Though, this will likely not be the case. Before long, they will be exhausted and resource deprived and unable to fight and if water is tightly controlled, they will begin to surrender and can then be put into war camps. Expect many of them to attempt to flee the country as well (this is what we want).
Get a list of the most trafficked routes in and out of your cities and go for blocking the largest routes first. Pay attention to where the ‘city’ becomes the ‘suburbs’ too. Note the areas outside of the city that have unusually high levels of blue. They will have to be treated as mini-cities. Those are the lines. Also know where heavy trucks and equipment are located as you’ll have to use those and coordinate with other chapters about what roads the equipment will be used for. A blockade of pickups and honda civics can’t do anything if they smash through with city dumptrucks. When surrounding cities, highways need to be destroyed and block the roads with vehicles and walls of brick under heavy escort of at least 300 armed men and women for. Should not take longer than an hour to block off a road sufficiently and setting up defenses if the right equipment is used. Not all roads will be successfully blocked, but the ones that aren’t will serve as a good bottleneck and the blocked roads can have surveillance in case they’re breached. Other than that they can only travel on foot and will wear themselves down by fighting with increasingly low levels of food and water, making them ineffective and desperate. Occupy buildings surrounding the blockades. They can’t remove 3 dumptrucks from the middle of the road without exposing themselves. Communists know that this is going to be our strategy, so they will look to counter. BE CAREFUL AND COVER YOUR FLANKS. They will be forced to build tunnels behind your lines. Will have to smoke them out and shoot chemicals into the ground. Artillery will make its way to city outskirts from military bases which will make the situation much more manageable.
Lastly, our biggest fight won’t be the communists, it will be with foreign intervention a which is why what happens on those Navy ships out at sea when shtf of utmost importance. We don’t have much control over that but that will be an interesting situation. It will be a civil war, but it is likely that it will turn into a world war.
The bottom line here: Stock up NOW, and get in touch with soldiers at local military bases when things if things are starting to look like they’re going to pop off. If the time comes where you suddenly need ammo, it will be too late and people who have the weapons and ammo will take charge. You would have to deal with being directed until you can be armed. Everyone and they’re mother will be headed to the local investigation rooms of their police stations to stock up on seized weapons and ammo but do you really want to risk an irl battle royale situation??
Like me, nobody wants this to happen. This is all food for thought, friends. Civil wars are always the bloodiest due to how personal it is. The situation is on a teetering edge. Don’t be asleep at the wheel. Things happen quickly. Buy your AR-15 today if don't already own one (or 3).
still proudly alive and kicking on Letsrun.......unlike the many posts that complained about it.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8017990&page=1779I'll be honest, without going to a reddit style of forum with only registered users I don't think this problem of toxic posters will ever go away.
I did want to offer a suggestion though:
Whatever steps you end up taking, please publicise them, let runners world write a puff piece about cleaning the forums up, get the word out there.
My reasoning is that whilst I and the posters on here love the forums, average Joe only knows about the toxicity and its always the first thing mentioned. There's some absolutely incredible information shared on here but I have plenty of runner friends that at present will never venture on here. Whilst I don't want it to become a place of 1000 word race reports about running a 35 minute 5k like some running subreddits it could do with a slight image change.
In my opinion it's possible to be serious and not pull punches like LR has always done, without some of the toxic posts and threads on here.
tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:
malmo wrote:
Saw it. Deleted it. See how easy that was?
Why didn't you report it a year ago?
Yet again, Malmo, you care more about the flaws of the people pointing out the problem rather than the problem itself.
What's wrong with you? You pointed it out. Thank you. It's been deleted. End of story.,[/quote]
here's very clearly why it is not "End of Story"
I have reported many vile posts and you have refused to delete them, even after many posts have been created pointing them out again and again. Often you openly mock the person pointing them out. Here is an example that has now been up for almost a year. It goes into great detail about how to kill liberals in this country. It was reported...and ..post after post pointing it out were deleted...and deleted....and deleted...and deleted. What is your explanation?
still proudly alive and kicking on Letsrun.......unlike the many posts that complained about it.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8017990&page=1779[/quote]
Correct. I understand the intent behind deleting posts that question moderation tactics, though the logic is flawed, and actually encourages trolling. For example, if someone posts something inflammatory, and a well-reasoned post questioning that posts existence is deleted, then such moderation behavior doesn't encourage someone to respond in a well-reasoned way. They will troll, or respond in an equally inflammatory way, or simply try to derail the conversation.
Unless something changes, eporting the post or emailing the leadership isn't always the answer either. 1) nothing may happen to the post. 2) the reporting function, and the entire board forum, isn't adequate 3) Even if something does happen, leadership isn't going to have the time or the inclination to have a conversation about what occured. 4) Deleting a "questioning" post shuts down the possibility of a healthy conversation about moderation tactics, and that conversation is where solutions are found. As have been found on this thread. And which wouldn't have been found if those conversations were shut down.
I'm questioning the behavior, not the character, of moderator behavior and policies. If you want the tenor and nature of board threads to change, the answer lies in changing moderator behavior and policies. Top-down leadership.
I've been on these forums for many years--some may know me as Johnny Rotten from many years ago. I go back and forth on the merit of these forums, because the poisonous nature of much of what goes on here is pretty demoralizing. However, occasionally I read things that only a freewheeling forum like this can open up, including great running-oriented discussion from Renato Canova , Jtupper, Craig Virgin, Jim Spivey, Hodgie-San, Malmo, and many others. I don't know whether we have to take the bad with the good, though sometimes it appears to be the case.
Often I read things that seem slanderous to me, particularly regarding alleged doping. I do not understand allowing accusations of doping to remain up on this board. This is the right forum for discussing publicly admitted doping and dopers. It just isn't OK to speculate on these boards about whether other named athletes are using. I don't understand why LetsRun's moderation policies don't cut that off rather than allowing professional athletes' names to be smeared here on these forums.
I think that it would be useful to have some kind of a signal that a post has been deleted, as happens on Reddit. Allow the empty space to remain so that posters are aware that some posts have been deleted.
I think that it would be helpful to publicize a list of current moderators--then there's no mystery. I imagine Malmo has been blamed for the actions of other moderators purely because he's the one most posters know. Moderators (and the site owners and employees) set the tone for discussion on this board. That's a pretty big responsibility as far as LetsRun goes.
Interesting post, but it doesn't fully take into account a lot of variables that go into guerrilla warfare.
BroJos,
There’s a lot of whiny b words in this thread. Just know as you’re sifting through their squealings that many of us love LRC exactly as it is and wouldn’t change a thing. It’s nice being able to engage in an online forum where speech is protected and anonymity is bulwark against the would be authoritarians who want to dox everyone they disagree with.
tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:
Why didn't you "See it. Delete it. End of Story" this one?
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There's a reason why there is a political thread, so that OCD people have a place to be completely insane, repeating the same stupid things over and over ... and over and over ,,, its an asylum that does a good job at containing anti-social spillover to the rest of the message board. If you post on the Trump thread, or even take a peek at it, you deserve whatever you get.
Have you ever wondered why there's an election thread that starts every Friday before election day and continues until midnight, the Wednesday after, when it gets nuked? Do you think that's coincidental? It's not. It's like a controlled burn by the Forest Service, and it does its job perfectly.
The only thing I want to do with political threads is nuke them all.
malmo wrote:
tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:
Why didn't you "See it. Delete it. End of Story" this one?
[q
There's a reason why there is a political thread, so that OCD people have a place to be completely insane, repeating the same stupid things over and over ... and over and over ,,, its an asylum that does a good job at containing anti-social spillover to the rest of the message board. If you post on the Trump thread, or even take a peek at it, you deserve whatever you get.
Have you ever wondered why there's an election thread that starts every Friday before election day and continues until midnight, the Wednesday after, when it gets nuked? Do you think that's coincidental? It's not. It's like a controlled burn by the Forest Service, and it does its job perfectly.
The only thing I want to do with political threads is nuke them all.
ok great, so you've given an explanation for one post, even if it seems a bit BS.
What is your explanation for all the other posts that were not in the Trump thread? All the ones that you refused to delete for days while deleting every complaint about them almost instantly? The one celebrating the Mexican 'beaner' skewered on steel piece of rebar for example....or the one making a lynching joke....
bikeforums has an area called "The Clinic." Doping talk is allowed there. Nowhere else.
All this thread is doing is trying to re-invent the wheel. Solutions are out there.
LoneStarXC wrote:
Sometimes when I’ve reported posts that I thought were misogynistic or sexist and they were allowed to stay up. I think because a lot of posts get flagged, the moderators sometimes don’t have time to carefully read the posts
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
Well that and the fact that they are all white males.
tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:
It's much harder to overlook the random racist post and dismiss it as some blowhard, when based on the moderation history, there's every indication that the post may have in fact been created by the site itself.
Those are two of the primary issues.
Things that should not be tolerated (but in many cases are promoted):
> shaming, disparagement, belittling of women, teenagers and children;
> racist remarks, condoning of racist behavior, having only white males as moderators;
> comments about disgusting and perverted sex acts, usually directed toward women and children;
> endless accusations of being a cheater, which continue even after exoneration, conviction, admission, denial and/or death - there's absolutely no point to this;
> use of ambiguous derogatory terms such as snowflake, sjw, and similar which have no point other than disparagement.
tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:
malmo wrote:
There's a reason why there is a political thread, so that OCD people have a place to be completely insane, repeating the same stupid things over and over ... and over and over ,,, its an asylum that does a good job at containing anti-social spillover to the rest of the message board. If you post on the Trump thread, or even take a peek at it, you deserve whatever you get.
Have you ever wondered why there's an election thread that starts every Friday before election day and continues until midnight, the Wednesday after, when it gets nuked? Do you think that's coincidental? It's not. It's like a controlled burn by the Forest Service, and it does its job perfectly.
The only thing I want to do with political threads is nuke them all.
ok great, so you've given an explanation for one post, even if it seems a bit BS.
What is your explanation for all the other posts that were not in the Trump thread? All the ones that you refused to delete for days while deleting every complaint about them almost instantly? The one celebrating the Mexican 'beaner' skewered on steel piece of rebar for example....or the one making a lynching joke....
Malmo, fair enough. But this poster is correct. Too many vile posts attacking ethnicity, orientation, color and religion are not deleted.
MooseMan wrote:
I'll be honest, without going to a reddit style of forum with only registered users I don't think this problem of toxic posters will ever go away.
I did want to offer a suggestion though:
Whatever steps you end up taking, please publicise them, let runners world write a puff piece about cleaning the forums up, get the word out there.
My reasoning is that whilst I and the posters on here love the forums, average Joe only knows about the toxicity and its always the first thing mentioned. There's some absolutely incredible information shared on here but I have plenty of runner friends that at present will never venture on here. Whilst I don't want it to become a place of 1000 word race reports about running a 35 minute 5k like some running subreddits it could do with a slight image change.
In my opinion it's possible to be serious and not pull punches like LR has always done, without some of the toxic posts and threads on here.
That is your Brit opinion. I'm sure we "colonials" are more of a wild bunch to folks on your side of the pond. You guys were slow to criticize cheaters from the UK such as mattress man, Robert Young, etc. We are never going to ease up. Brits need to have a thicker skin if they want participate on these threads.
Malmo
Wejo
the title of the thread celebrating the 'beaner' getting impaled and left up for days after being reported and after multiple threads pointing it out were deleted within 5 mins:
Migrant impaled on rebar after falling off San Diego border wall
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9128699&page=1
(deleted now)