Respected commentator Tim Hutchings calls out times from past drug era, says more natural levels now.

He's Coevett. wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Yes he certainly reads them for research, but I doubt he posts.

He's Coevett.

Really not impossible. Obviously white. UK-biased. Deep knowledge of track and field. Almost certainly older than 50.

Lol, I've triggered you a few times here glutes for brains. It is new information for the English speaking athletics community if it's never been reported in English, you imbecile. How many years did you train and how much dbol did you inject into your body to come last in heat 3 of your one and only GB championship? (not that I actually believe you did reach that level).

It s who has the best pharmacist

And why do you think your disgusting ageism is any more acceptable than my alleged 'racism'? Why do you keep mocking me for my age (47)? What is shameful about being 47? That's probably about the average age of LetsRun members. You've said you're 30, so not exactly a spring chicken. You've also retired from your irrelevant athletics career already, so presumably your biological age is way past your chronological one of 30. Plus all the doping probably aged you prematurely. You probably have the test levels of a 70 year old grandma now.

notimpossible wrote:

He's Coevett. wrote:

He's Coevett.

Really not impossible. Obviously white. UK-biased. Deep knowledge of track and field. Almost certainly older than 50.

Coevett already admitted to taking up athletics at 47.

He also doesn't have a deep knowledge of track and field, at all. Certainly not training/competing/elite athletics. He's good at watching the TV that's all.

Plus Hutchings isn't clearly mentally ill. He wouldn't be begging Rojo to protect him from 'death threats'.

It's not new information to people that matter. As far as I know the people Torrence allegedly had dirt on weren't Americans that only speak English. The people who could possibly have reason to kill someone would obviously have secrets that are more severe than public records they are trying to prevent being translated hahaha. Do you think once public records become english they are suddenly more dangerous?!?! As if the kinds of people hiring hitmen don't care about their secrets getting out unless they are in English ahaha. I bet you think you are the first person to use the 'translate this page' function on Google like you are some secret spy.

This belief that you think you are important has triggered me more than anything you've said thus far. It's genuinely insane.

You are nobody. I am nobody. Nobody here is anybody and nothing we chat about has a shred of impact on the real world. Get over it.

it's 2018 not 1998 wrote:

Spaghettimonster wrote:

I study exercise physiology and you're point is utterly wrong.

You need to keep studying. Learn about theromoregulation.

Are you under the impression that head dissipation in the limiting factor in mid-distance running? If so, why do you believe that?

ex-runner wrote:

notimpossible wrote:

Really not impossible. Obviously white. UK-biased. Deep knowledge of track and field. Almost certainly older than 50.

Coevett already admitted to taking up athletics at 47.

He also doesn't have a deep knowledge of track and field, at all. Certainly not training/competing/elite athletics. He's good at watching the TV that's all.

Plus Hutchings isn't clearly mentally ill. He wouldn't be begging Rojo to protect him from 'death threats'.

Pretty sure Hutchings would call the police if people were making threats against him here.

Quite disgusting how you claim I'm suffering from mental illness for being concerned about lunatic posters explicitly threatening me here. Unless you were indeed one of them.

And here you are again claiming to be an authority on track because you doped your way into the GB championships.

You're an expert on doping, that's about all.

Coevett wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Coevett already admitted to taking up athletics at 47.

He also doesn't have a deep knowledge of track and field, at all. Certainly not training/competing/elite athletics. He's good at watching the TV that's all.

Plus Hutchings isn't clearly mentally ill. He wouldn't be begging Rojo to protect him from 'death threats'.

Pretty sure Hutchings would call the police if people were making threats against him here.

Quite disgusting how you claim I'm suffering from mental illness for being concerned about lunatic posters explicitly threatening me here. Unless you were indeed one of them.

And here you are again claiming to be an authority on track because you doped your way into the GB championships.

You're an expert on doping, that's about all.

Can you provide any proof that people are threatening you?

casual obsever wrote:

Best times per year in this decase (I posted something like that last last week...):

2018: 13:01.09

2017: 12:55.23

2016: 12:59.29

2015: 12:53.98 [Diack's reign ended]

2014: 12:54.83 [the IAAF bribery scandal broke]

2013: 12:51.34

2012: 12:46.81

2011: 12:53.11

I'm not sure you can draw a straight line from one to the other.

Best times per year in this decade:

2018: 1:42.05

2017: 1:43.10

2016: 1:42.15

2015: 1:42.51 [Diack's reign ended]

2014: 1:42.45 [the IAAF bribery scandal broke]

2013: 1:42.37

2012: 1:40.91

2011: 1:41.33

2018: 58:42

2017: 58:40

2016: 58:44

2015: 59:10 [Diack's reign ended]

2014: 58:48 [the IAAF bribery scandal broke]

2013: 58:54

2012: 58:47

2011: 58:31

2018: 2:04:00

2017: 2:03:32

2016: 2:03:03

2015: 2:04:00 [Diack's reign ended]

2014: 2:02:57 [the IAAF bribery scandal broke]

2013: 2:03:23

2012: 2:04:15

2011: 2:03:38

DMulvee wrote:

EPO isn't a 1-2% improvement. The study in Australia before the Sydney Olympics (1998-2000) showed a 10% improvement for runners who were 33-37 min athletes (so not top level).

Cathal Lombard wasn't a top level athlete but he went from 30'33 in 2002 when he was legit to 27'33 when he took EPO, before he was exposed. Again not a 1-2% improvement

Henry Rono

13:06.20 - 10%: 11:47.58

Steve Prefontaine

13:21.87 - 10%: 12:01.69

It's impossible to tell how fast Lombard could have gone without EPO. I don't think it got him 10%.

it's 2018 not 1998 wrote:

Call me Mr. Lance wrote:

See name above in refutation of your "plain nonsense."

Refutation of basic physiology? Can't be done. Tim Hutchings is just adding to the hysteria.

Case close, right? That's the state of scientific debate these days. I can't help recalling Greg Lemond describing his and his colleagues amazement while watching LA attack mountain stages of the Tour without any suffering and apparently endless supplies of energy(more O2 in your blood turns your cells into nuclear reactors as far as energy production). Maybe it wasn't a physical/biological advantage. He may have talked to Tony Robbins before the race.

Coevett wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Coevett already admitted to taking up athletics at 47.

He also doesn't have a deep knowledge of track and field, at all. Certainly not training/competing/elite athletics. He's good at watching the TV that's all.

Plus Hutchings isn't clearly mentally ill. He wouldn't be begging Rojo to protect him from 'death threats'.

Pretty sure Hutchings would call the police if people were making threats against him here.

Quite disgusting how you claim I'm suffering from mental illness for being concerned about lunatic posters explicitly threatening me here. Unless you were indeed one of them.

And here you are again claiming to be an authority on track because you doped your way into the GB championships.

You're an expert on doping, that's about all.

Nutcase.

I strongly object to being accused of being Coevett, you really know how to hurt a bloke, that's libellous and a job for the FBI to investigate (oh, hang on a sec, we're all anonymous on here so forget that).

I posted the quote as it's very rare to hear athletics TV commentators come out and even mention doping, let alone go to the lengths Hutchings did, as I said, "hopefully more will come out, we might even get a few athletes admitting to it.".

Oh yeah, the quote was from Eurosport, do you get that in the USA?

it's 2018 not 2018 wrote:

Hood scoop for more Oxygen burning wrote:

Um all you do is make the same statement and provide no actual science beyond wild speculation.

Watch some videos of Lance Armstrong in the Tour de France. The current dogma, which Luv2run clings to is that he was producing 7 watts per kilo on Alpe d'Huez. A more realistic figure is 6 watts per kilo.

We have the present data from today. We know that guys are going up climbs like Alp D'Huez at 6w/kg.

If Lance and Pantani were also producing 6w/kg then how were they going up Alp D'Huez 10-15% faster than today's current riders? Running you can make the argument that better efficiency would lead to faster times even if output remained the same.

I have no idea what argument you're going to make for the bike. 420w at the rear hub of a 70kg rider + bike combination is always going to go slower than 480w at the rear hub of a 70kg rider+bike combination; assuming the hill is steep enough that aerodynamic factors constitute a very small percentage of the power being used to drive the rider forward.

Or put another way, steep climb means very little aerodynamic differences. If Pantani has the same power output at the riders today (if I understand you're claiming Pantani = 6w/kg, same as todays riders with posted data), then why at the same relative power is he climbing 15% quicker?

casual obsever wrote:

Yeah sadly we are slowing down too. Probably not just because the Kenyans prefer marathons these days...

Is Ben True's 13:16 from Stockholm still the fastest white 5000 in this year?

Yes, the only other is Mr H. Ingebrigtsen:

5000 Metres 13:16.97 Palo Alto (USA) 03 MAY 2018

it's 2018 not 1998 wrote:

Tim Hutchings is just adding to the hysteria.

Hutchings is a druggie and he's always been a druggie.

But just because he takes drugs, doesn't mean anyone else is doing the same thing.

And just because he takes drugs, doesn't mean they help anyone to run any faster.

Hutchings is a racist 60 year old park runner who knows nothing about top class athletics. All the best Kenyan women went into football. There was testing at the 2009 GBs and it didn't stop me getting banned for life AFTER I finished last in the women's 800m fifth heat.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Yes, the only other is Mr H. Ingebrigtsen:

5000 Metres 13:16.97 Palo Alto (USA) 03 MAY 2018

Right, one of the likely dopers who - according to the IAAF - is highly unlikely to be clean.