Give everyone a break wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
To be honest it is a very bizarre concept if you think about it. How is Rupp 'like you'? I don't know you but Rupp was taken under the wing of a world class coach from a young age and nurtured in a world class training environment to be a champion focused on one thing and one thing only. Is that like you? What importance is a lack of melanin?
People without a racial bias just root for guys and girls they like or represent their country.
So for me, being British and on the men's side I rate Farah and Jake Wightman right now. I like Rupp, I think he's got balls. I love Jager simply for his gutsy near sub 8 a few years back and the fact he always goes for it. And I like Makhloufi because he looks like a tank running the 1500m and is the only guy willing to double up with the 800m right now. Olympic silver in both events is solid.
I don't know about the person you are replying to but I am a white American, and I will tend to root for white Americans.
Rupp would be like me because he is white, and he's American on top of that. . It is not just a melanin difference and you know that. Don't be ignorant. It is a drastic DNA difference as well. It is assumed cultural/value similarities as well.
You can feel whatever you want towards Farah and Wightman, and while you can certainly be a fan of both, it does not mean those two are the same. It comes down to built in primal thought. You can supress it, or it can be supressed for you, but this thought does naturally want to connect you with someone of the same natural characteristics. I could be a fan of a non-white marathoner, but it is a different internal feeling.
^this guy was a little more explicit. Most of the rest were the usual vague apologetic deflection of racism. Over the years I’ve wondered- do most of these posters spend a hefty amount of internet time on other, more explicitly racial sites? And then get the tip that this place is a haven for it, or is it just a bizarre bastion of racism for a small clique of its denizens to vent their anger?
PS. To the Despite the rhetoric I’m sure your consuming from sympathetically racist media- no, in fact, everyone does not feel that same primal thought. You do, you’re thinking primitively and wishfully projecting that to humanity at large; it’s a big world, expand your mind a bit.
Not true. When in Prague almost anyone could ask him for an autograph as he was warming up in the middle of the city see
https://www.brunningmag.cz/blog/we-named-our-dog-after-zatopek
And here's the kicker.. wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
Great time but nobody should be suprised that Rupp could run 2:06. Without having seen the race or knowing anything about the conditions or course I would have said for certain he can run low 2:05 or high 2:04 and that's just based on his Olympic performance.
A lot of posters here just don't give Rupp the respect he deserves.
If you forget all your NOP/Salazar prejudice and look at his performances on paper, he's just quality. 3:50i, 7:30i, 12:58, 26:44 and now 2:06. Olympic Silver in the 10k and Bronze in the Marathon 4 years later.
Guy is just a top, top athlete and all his competitors know he's a threat.
Yes. And, the thing is, he's a mathematical FLUKE. The odds of Salazar finding one kid with this potential, at the one high school he was volunteer coaching at, are astro-nomical.
And for that kid to be found by a former world class marathoner, and in the geographical halo of Nike...even more astronomical.
It's been an amazing gift to USA running.
At face value, we don't have to like the guy and can all admit personality wise, he comes off as a dud. BUT, he is indeed elite world class and can very well go down as one of the best ever. Another big BUT (no pun) we can't ignore that the NOP and Alberto ties have tainted his legacy, and there's a good chance we'll never know exactly what blurred lines were tainted with. All of that sadly leaves every achievement for the remainder of his career in question and hard to celebrate.
NERunner053 wrote:
Special K wrote:
Damn straight. And as American as any of us transplants. Hell of a story.
But it's hard not to expect people to think this way when this website pushes the American born narrative down our throats. Rupp ran great today. There was zero reason to write in the preview that he might go after Ryan Hall's American born record eligible time, but they did. And now, after the race, they can't just tell us he's the second fastest American of all-time. They have to write this: "It is the fastest ever marathon by an American-born athlete on a record-eligible course, as Khannouchi was born in Morocco and represented his native land until age 29."
Garbage. That is not a real statistic no matter how much you try to make it be. This is a country where the only indigenous people are Native Americans. Rupp is no more or less American than KK. KK is the American record holder. We can be excited about Rupp's run without having to get all white pride up in here.
This x10,000! Too tired of writing this over and over to say much, but the whole "American-born" thing reeks of subtle racism, and is perpetuated by both the site's writers and the people on the message board. It's tiresome, at best, and malignant at worst.
Gizzlegarf wrote:
Give everyone a break wrote:
I don't know about the person you are replying to but I am a white American, and I will tend to root for white Americans.
Rupp would be like me because he is white, and he's American on top of that. . It is not just a melanin difference and you know that. Don't be ignorant. It is a drastic DNA difference as well. It is assumed cultural/value similarities as well.
You can feel whatever you want towards Farah and Wightman, and while you can certainly be a fan of both, it does not mean those two are the same. It comes down to built in primal thought. You can supress it, or it can be supressed for you, but this thought does naturally want to connect you with someone of the same natural characteristics. I could be a fan of a non-white marathoner, but it is a different internal feeling.
^this guy was a little more explicit. Most of the rest were the usual vague apologetic deflection of racism. Over the years I’ve wondered- do most of these posters spend a hefty amount of internet time on other, more explicitly racial sites? And then get the tip that this place is a haven for it, or is it just a bizarre bastion of racism for a small clique of its denizens to vent their anger?
PS. To the Despite the rhetoric I’m sure your consuming from sympathetically racist media- no, in fact, everyone does not feel that same primal thought. You do, you’re thinking primitively and wishfully projecting that to humanity at large; it’s a big world, expand your mind a bit.
Glad there's some sanity on here. Yeah, it's not a primal thought in me to root against people of color because I'm white. I'd root for Kipchoge ten times out of ten over Rupp.
Also, there isn't some "drastic DNA difference" between people of different skin color. We're all human and very similar.
It's crazy this is what America (and seemingly lots of the rest of the world) has become. I don't remember the board being like this when I first came almost two decades ago, but maybe I just didn't notice because I was young. The website's creators certainly support this nonsense, though.
GoldenMiles wrote:
Gizzlegarf wrote:
^this guy was a little more explicit. Most of the rest were the usual vague apologetic deflection of racism. Over the years I’ve wondered- do most of these posters spend a hefty amount of internet time on other, more explicitly racial sites? And then get the tip that this place is a haven for it, or is it just a bizarre bastion of racism for a small clique of its denizens to vent their anger?
PS. To the Despite the rhetoric I’m sure your consuming from sympathetically racist media- no, in fact, everyone does not feel that same primal thought. You do, you’re thinking primitively and wishfully projecting that to humanity at large; it’s a big world, expand your mind a bit.
Glad there's some sanity on here. Yeah, it's not a primal thought in me to root against people of color because I'm white. I'd root for Kipchoge ten times out of ten over Rupp.
Also, there isn't some "drastic DNA difference" between people of different skin color. We're all human and very similar.
It's crazy this is what America (and seemingly lots of the rest of the world) has become. I don't remember the board being like this when I first came almost two decades ago, but maybe I just didn't notice because I was young. The website's creators certainly support this nonsense, though.
How did this thread about Rupp's fantastic run get turned into a thread about racism?
Aren't we supposed to be discussing how awesome it was he ran a fast time? And he won? And how he DROPPED a 2:04 guy?
Yall will blame the writers as a scapegoat saying they started it, but I think youre doing it because you want to distract yourself from the fact that Rupp has become better than you ever expected, better than you ever wanted him to be. And that makes you angry.
Im so sick of people who call other people racist. Just stop. Talk about running.
And here's the kicker.. wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
Great time but nobody should be suprised that Rupp could run 2:06. Without having seen the race or knowing anything about the conditions or course I would have said for certain he can run low 2:05 or high 2:04 and that's just based on his Olympic performance.
A lot of posters here just don't give Rupp the respect he deserves.
If you forget all your NOP/Salazar prejudice and look at his performances on paper, he's just quality. 3:50i, 7:30i, 12:58, 26:44 and now 2:06. Olympic Silver in the 10k and Bronze in the Marathon 4 years later.
Guy is just a top, top athlete and all his competitors know he's a threat.
Yes. And, the thing is, he's a mathematical FLUKE. The odds of Salazar finding one kid with this potential, at the one high school he was volunteer coaching at, are astro-nomical.
And for that kid to be found by a former world class marathoner, and in the geographical halo of Nike...even more astronomical.
It's been an amazing gift to USA running.
I would like to add to the mathematical fluke theme. John J. Kelley was the high school coach and mentor to Amby Burfoot.
Burfoot was the college roommate/teammate of Bill Rodgers. As part of the GBTC, Bill Rodgers trained with a high school kid named Alberto Salazar (seeing Rodgers win Boston 1975 inspired the idea in Salazar that he could become become a top marathoner).
Maybe the Kelley-Burfoot-Rodgers-Salazar-Rupp chain shows what can happen when gifted people make a connection with someone that inspire/help them to help him take advantage of their exceptional gifts.
Gizzlegarf wrote:
Give everyone a break wrote:
I don't know about the person you are replying to but I am a white American, and I will tend to root for white Americans.
Rupp would be like me because he is white, and he's American on top of that. . It is not just a melanin difference and you know that. Don't be ignorant. It is a drastic DNA difference as well. It is assumed cultural/value similarities as well.
You can feel whatever you want towards Farah and Wightman, and while you can certainly be a fan of both, it does not mean those two are the same. It comes down to built in primal thought. You can supress it, or it can be supressed for you, but this thought does naturally want to connect you with someone of the same natural characteristics. I could be a fan of a non-white marathoner, but it is a different internal feeling.
^this guy was a little more explicit. Most of the rest were the usual vague apologetic deflection of racism. Over the years I’ve wondered- do most of these posters spend a hefty amount of internet time on other, more explicitly racial sites? And then get the tip that this place is a haven for it, or is it just a bizarre bastion of racism for a small clique of its denizens to vent their anger?
PS. To the Despite the rhetoric I’m sure your consuming from sympathetically racist media- no, in fact, everyone does not feel that same primal thought. You do, you’re thinking primitively and wishfully projecting that to humanity at large; it’s a big world, expand your mind a bit.
There is no notable difference between a Black American man and a White American man other than skin colour. There is no reason to support a White American athlete over a Black American athlete or vice versa because of their skin colours. It's madness.
That poster has been raised to see people of different colour as actually inciting different 'feelings' inside him towards them. Purely because of their race. This is not natural. This is the result of parents conditioning you to see non-Whites as inherently different to Whites beyond physical appearance.
Bullet_Proof wrote:
GoldenMiles wrote:
Glad there's some sanity on here. Yeah, it's not a primal thought in me to root against people of color because I'm white. I'd root for Kipchoge ten times out of ten over Rupp.
Also, there isn't some "drastic DNA difference" between people of different skin color. We're all human and very similar.
It's crazy this is what America (and seemingly lots of the rest of the world) has become. I don't remember the board being like this when I first came almost two decades ago, but maybe I just didn't notice because I was young. The website's creators certainly support this nonsense, though.
How did this thread about Rupp's fantastic run get turned into a thread about racism?
Aren't we supposed to be discussing how awesome it was he ran a fast time? And he won? And how he DROPPED a 2:04 guy?
Yall will blame the writers as a scapegoat saying they started it, but I think youre doing it because you want to distract yourself from the fact that Rupp has become better than you ever expected, better than you ever wanted him to be. And that makes you angry.
Im so sick of people who call other people racist. Just stop. Talk about running.
I'm sick of the racists. There is a reason race is brought up on this forum so frequently and is never brought up on other sporting forums, and this is simply because the posters on this site say racist things.
OK race, but still nearly a minute behind Sondre Moen.
It's a great result for Galen and one that wouldn't have happened without getting KO'd in Boston. True champions take setbacks and find the way to make themselves better from it. Good on you, Galen. Looking forward to more.
ex-runner wrote:
Bullet_Proof wrote:
How did this thread about Rupp's fantastic run get turned into a thread about racism?
Aren't we supposed to be discussing how awesome it was he ran a fast time? And he won? And how he DROPPED a 2:04 guy?
Yall will blame the writers as a scapegoat saying they started it, but I think youre doing it because you want to distract yourself from the fact that Rupp has become better than you ever expected, better than you ever wanted him to be. And that makes you angry.
Im so sick of people who call other people racist. Just stop. Talk about running.
I'm sick of the racists. There is a reason race is brought up on this forum so frequently and is never brought up on other sporting forums, and this is simply because the posters on this site say racist things.
Listen fragile flower. I remember ten years ago how this site demeaned whites and performances by whites -yes it was targeted against whites and whites in particular. It is no better now. Why are you not on here creating balance if you're so fair and everyone is the same? Are you saying that you do not want to see whites rooting for whites? You would like to force people to root for particular people because this is what you want?
Other sporting forums? Like that braindead, mind numbingly PC, put blacks on an alter, sporting forum of track and field news? Yo do realize how biased they are?
Notbad wrote:
OK race, but still nearly a minute behind Sondre Moen.
Since when is 19 seconds almost a minute????
Hfdghg wrote:
Only 183th fastest marathon time (and doped to the gills).
Meanwhile in Kenya
https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,h_240,w_320/v1500008504/h5sy3fgj0olrwvalmbvo.jpg
If you received no OOC test within 6 months of a marathon; ran your sub-2:06 in a marathon in a race like Dubi, Rotterdam or Paris that has a times had questionable testing practices; no verifiable quality track credentials; no WADA BP on file; you were represented by one of a half-dozen European agents with a history of doping; you were virtually unknown prior to the marathon and disappeared a year or two after the marathon. If any of these situations apply, I am discounting your performance. Nearly half of those 183 African marathon performances are questionable. One athlete, Titus Munji ran 2:06:15 in the 2003 Berlin Marathon. Prior to that 2:06 marathon, he was unheard of with modest track PRs of 14:05 and 29:15. 2 years later he completely disappeared. Berhanu Shiferaw ran 2:04:48 in the 2013 Dubi Marathon, supposedly he was age 19 at that time, but never came within 4 minutes of that time in a marathon outside of Dubai. The great Paul Tergat said in a 2009 interview that was meant for internal Kenyan consumption. He was asked about 3 athletes running faster than his previous world record in one race, he replies (paraphrase) my 2003 (2:04;55) marathon world record was the culmination of a lifetime of work on the track and in cross country. He said he lost a lot of marathons before he finally won one. Nowadays, agents and young athletes are willing to risk health and dignity for instant fame and money. These young athletes can't stand up straight and look you directly in the eye and instead of buying land, they become drunkards. He was criticized for his comments, primarily because they were picked up outside of Kenya.
Until recently, doping in Africa has been fairly out in the open. There is a long time conspiracy of silence in Africa that basically states that you don't do or say anything that gets in the way of making money.
