Now it gets interesting, Zane Robertson's ex-girlfriend Betty Desalegn (Jama Aden athlete) is busted for Biological Passport

rekrunner wrote:

It's simply a matter of consistency. It you believe EPO is the main reason for the fast times leading to the world records in the '90s and '00s, then the comparatively slow times of Mo and all of his competitors has a logical conclusion -- somewhere between "clean" and "micro-benefit".

Part of Mo's invincibility is that many of his potential competitors have skipped the track, and gone to the more lucrative road races. This can be seen by the stagnation of track times, while the marathon times are dropping.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Sorry Rekrunner, this makes absolutely no sense at all. So Mo that you assert is clean, is a long way from the WRs yet he has almost been invincible over the last 6-7 years (he lost the 5,000m in London but that was after a 26:49 and team tactics from Ethiopia).

Name a current distance runner on the roads that earns more than Mo?

(Again I'm no Mo fan and I am quite suspicious of him).

I'm sure Kipchoge and Bekele earn loads.

The issue is, while Mo can earn money on the track, as a Brit, his competitors can not. They have to make a choice, and can earn more on the roads, than the track.

is this suppose to be some kind of "feel good" story or something? And it's not just the "Guardian" article(s) about Ethiopia at play here: Dick Pound has some interesting information on this whole debacle of drug testing that "Casual Observer" alluded to. And drug controls at Rio was a total joke....there's a detailed report on that from WADA. I don't think you're processing the information very well. For some reason you believe all is well and good, i.e., "rainbows & marshmallows." Lol. There's a lot of info out there - one just needs to be able to process it. We've lost our common sense & logic in society....nothing new there.

We shouldn't thank the IAAF for any of these things. WADA generates the "ludicrous" rules, including the 3 man panel, for all Olympic sports, and scientists like Ashenden and Parisotto and Saugy define the "generous" thresholds for multiple detection models, e.g. ON-hes, ON-he, OFF-hre, OFF-hr, and ABPS. WADA even wrote the software now used by the IAAF, that flags ABP profiles for further manual review. As our friend Ross Tucker once showed us, the introduction of the ABP was a huge deterrent of blood doping in cycling -- literally discouraging doping, even though not many cyclists were caught by the ABP.

casual obsever wrote:

We can thank the IAAF for generating these ludicrous rules with such generous thresholds that literally encourage doping, and then their self-chosen insistence on unanimity among IAAF-selected three scientists that there can't be a natural cause for the ABP violation.

Yes, yellow journalism can be found everywhere. So besides Guardian reporters, who actually bought EPO from this pharmacy? How much do they sell per month? Per year? Which top athletes received EPO bought from that pharmacy? So many questions unanswered. There's a lot of info missing, often filled by prejudice, wild imagination, speculation, suggestion, allegation, insinuation and innuendo. We've replaced common sense and logic with conspiracy and mythology ... nothing new there.

Barrel of Laughs wrote:

...it's not just the "Guardian" article(s) about Ethiopia...

There's a lot of info out there - one just needs to be able to process it. We've lost our common sense & logic in society....nothing new there.

rekrunner wrote:

I'm sure Kipchoge and Bekele earn loads.

The issue is, while Mo can earn money on the track, as a Brit, his competitors can not. They have to make a choice, and can earn more on the roads, than the track.

Wasn't there a thread about Jos Hermens after Berlin where he berated Bekele for earning peanuts from the marathon and he did 2:03 last year?

I don't know. Is that important? In prize money, Bekele won $105K in London 2017, $78,625 for his 2:03 in Berlin 2016, $72,500 for his 3rd in London 2016, $25K for 4th in Chicago, and $41K for his debut in Paris 2015. He DNF'd in Berlin 2017, and got $0. This is prize money, not counting sponsorship and appearance fees. If you are a no name East African athlete, capable of 26:50 and 12:55, there is more money on the roads, than there is placing 4th or 5th in track races.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I'm sure Kipchoge and Bekele earn loads.

The issue is, while Mo can earn money on the track, as a Brit, his competitors can not. They have to make a choice, and can earn more on the roads, than the track.

Wasn't there a thread about Jos Hermens after Berlin where he berated Bekele for earning peanuts from the marathon and he did 2:03 last year?

A 5k guy that runs 12:55 (really only Edris at the moment) might not be able to race a 1/2 or full marathon.

Indeed, Edris has racked up impressive prize money on the track: $191K thanks in part to his World Champion 5K win, netting $60K. There is still money on the track, but less than in the Golden League days, and less than the roads.

Most track races don't pay, unless it's the final of the season. Bekele netted nothing for his 10K world record. Olympics don't pay.

And there are a lot of dormant 12:55 guys. In 2012, top ten finishes in France were sub-12:56.

Kipchoge and Bekele took 8th and 9th, respectively, in that race, and then turned to the roads.

The winner, at 12:46.81, Dejen Gebremeskel, after a stellar 2012 on the track, starting running roads in 2013.

Even a lifetime miler, Bernard Lagat won $3500 for placing 5th in a 10K at 2017 Atlanta Peachtree.

rekrunner wrote:

I don't know. Is that important? In prize money, Bekele won $105K in London 2017, $78,625 for his 2:03 in Berlin 2016, $72,500 for his 3rd in London 2016, $25K for 4th in Chicago, and $41K for his debut in Paris 2015.

He DNF'd in Berlin 2017, and got $0.

This is prize money, not counting sponsorship and appearance fees.

If you are a no name East African athlete, capable of 26:50 and 12:55, there is more money on the roads, than there is placing 4th or 5th in track races.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Wasn't there a thread about Jos Hermens after Berlin where he berated Bekele for earning peanuts from the marathon and he did 2:03 last year?

This is sort of money being dished out only encourages doping. Like everything in life, the more money awarded within a profession, the more corrupt that profession tends to be.

The best way to fight doping is to make the sport strictly amateur again. Just provide expenses only. The sport would become so much better than it is now.

rekrunner wrote:

Yes, yellow journalism can be found everywhere. So besides Guardian reporters, who actually bought EPO from this pharmacy? How much do they sell per month? Per year? Which top athletes received EPO bought from that pharmacy? So many questions unanswered. There's a lot of info missing, often filled by prejudice, wild imagination, speculation, suggestion, allegation, insinuation and innuendo. We've replaced common sense and logic with conspiracy and mythology ... nothing new there.

Common sense & logic has been replaced with corruption & unethics! Doping is alive & well: Microdosing EPO, blood doping, testesterone gels, GHRP-2...all used to fly under the radar of the ABP. And lets not forgot the TUE drugs that are used for performance enhancing by the rising number of the chronically "sick" athletes throughout the world. Lol.

Pay attention rekrunner...common sense stuff here: Where there's money in sport you can be assured there's doping..."no surprises there." ? And the PEDs are a flowing: just last May the Spanish authorities arrested 14 & confiscated *3 MILLION* doses of 120 different types of PEDs ?. I don't think they were going all to the weekend warriors and run-of-the-mill gym rats either. Lol.

so crazy 3 million doses!!! people must be nuts, if they just listened to Retardo they would save their money and not have to do their daily injections and pill popping and stuffs...

PEDs must be the biggest hoax since the moon landing, so many people spending millions of dollars on stuff that doesnt work, so ignorant.

3 million wow. Somebody needs to zoom in on the Reuters photo to list the brand names for us.

This should have been a thread on here by itself. Spain seems to be the Disneyland of PEDs.

Wow indeed. But I 'd wager you could find that in other countries too.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

3 million wow. Somebody needs to zoom in on the Reuters photo to list the brand names for us.

This should have been a thread on here by itself. Spain seems to be the Disneyland of PEDs.

I tried to on my computer just to see what type of substances and manufacturers are on that display...not much luck with my laptop.

And since this was a huge bust, I wonder if it put a little dent in the preparation for the WCs this past August? ?

This looks like the fitness equivalent of a Tijuana fireworks factory.

It gets dirtier from year to year wrote:

Wow indeed. But I 'd wager you could find that in other countries too.

Yeah...but it's interesting that Spain has become the cesspool of doping. Two major organized doping rings busted in the last 10 yrs (Puerto & Galgo), a cache of dope found at Jama Aden's training camp in Sabadell last year, and now this colossal bust. Espana needs to be a liitle more discrete if they ever want to host the summer games again. ?

I'm curious about other countries - are they able to keep it more underground? Payoffs & corruption to keep it quiet, maybe? Protected status for superpower nations (except Russia...Lol).

Don't get fooled wrote:

Yeah...but it's interesting that Spain has become the cesspool of doping. Two major organized doping rings busted in the last 10 yrs (Puerto & Galgo), a cache of dope found at Jama Aden's training camp in Sabadell last year, and now this colossal bust. Espana needs to be a liitle more discrete if they ever want to host the summer games again. ?

I'm curious about other countries - are they able to keep it more underground? Payoffs & corruption to keep it quiet, maybe? Protected status for superpower nations (except Russia...Lol).

Probably the backbone of their economy. They don't do anything else other than watch soccer and protest about independence.

Ssssh! Rekrunner will be on here soon to deny any raid in Spain and any athlete involved was only using vitamins. In fact no one will derive any benefit from the drugs found.