Let me clear this up. Caster has male chromosomes, no ovaries, no uterus, but she has internal testes, but no dong. She's a man born without a dong.
Let me clear this up. Caster has male chromosomes, no ovaries, no uterus, but she has internal testes, but no dong. She's a man born without a dong.
Racism Alert wrote:
Justice4caster wrote:You want to talk about unfair? How about hundreds of years of black oppression in South Africa. How about that whites earn 4 times as much in Caster's region. And then when these women rise above their circumstance, the cisgender white women scream foul. They have every other advantage in life, I don't feel sorry for them. But there probably are enough prejudiced people to take Caster's gold away, which I'm sure you're very happy about.
Here is the real racist right here.
I'm racist for supporting Caster and calling out the class system that exists in South Africa? Ok.
Why do you think there is affirmative action? To level the playing field and create fairness.
And whether you think I'm wrong or not, that's the way things are and they are only going further in that direction.
Caster has the gold now, you can accept it graciously or not, but that's reality. That's the world we live in. Deal with it.
Justice4caster wrote:
That's the world we live in. Deal with it.
Let all of your women friends know that they live in a world where they are marginalized and tell them to deal with it, see how that turns out for you.
Justice4caster wrote:
Racism Alert wrote:Here is the real racist right here.
I'm racist for supporting Caster and calling out the class system that exists in South Africa? Ok.
Why do you think there is affirmative action? To level the playing field and create fairness.
And whether you think I'm wrong or not, that's the way things are and they are only going further in that direction.
Caster has the gold now, you can accept it graciously or not, but that's reality. That's the world we live in. Deal with it.
You're not doing much for advancing womens' athletics in South Africa. Where are the non-intersex female athletes? How were they affected by running against someone with so many male characteristics, and did it contribute to them not becoming international athletes and so climbing out of poverty (if they came from a similar Limpopo type area?)
The fair response is to change the mens' races to open races, and the women's to having certain set qualifying criteria, such as not possessing a Y chromosome, not having testes, not producing a certain level of testosterone, etc..
If we deny the traditional scientific concept that all foetuses are male until they develop a Y chromosome, and it is the presence of a Y chromosome that denotes being male, and that gender, not sex, is fluid, you still haven't explained why all the intersex athletes choose to run in the easier category. If we have, as you suggest, a continuum of gender, Semenya would appear to be closer to the male end of that spectrum than the female. In that she possesses testes that produce high levels of testosterone, no penis, no ovaries or uterus, appears to have a male phenotype and male secondary sexual characteristics. Semenya also appears to identify as a male when it suits. The only factors that swing towards the female continuum are being raised as a girl and possibly having a vagina naturally or medically created at or close to birth. So why does Semenya choose to run with women and not men?
So I'm not against us having a spectrum but to avoid matters getting out of control, people like Semenya are going to have to submit to much greater testing to see whether they lie towards the female or male end of that spectrum more closely.
In fact, what Semenya has done is bring the issue to the fore, and ensured it will be dealt with. Its possible we had intersex athletes winning medals in the past, especially in the 800m, but they got away with it because they came across as sufficiently female so as not to raise too much suspicion that they were cheating.
I don't think its really realistic of you to hope that half the world's population will put up with men claiming to be women when it causes them discrimination for too long.
I wouldn't count on her keeping that gold medal, by the way.
A lot of heated debate here, but it doesn't take a crystal ball to predict: (1) The CAS will ultimately reinstate the rule that was preventing Semenya from competing without medication that reduces her natural testosterone levels, or adopt a similar rule; and (2) This issue will fade away, as Olympic track and field is a big money business (even though in most cases it is not a big-money business for the athletes), and allowing athletes like Ms. Semenya to compete is bad for business.
did this runner have too much testosterone? ... she maintains her innocence to this day.
if it's natural, maybe it's okay?
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/18466/production/_85103499_kratochvilova.png
first post, be nice wrote:
Ghastly.Mistakes.at.UKAD.Oh.my wrote:Remember…anabolic steroids are a placebo effect. They do not really work.
Here is the world record holder in the women's 800m at 1:53.28…set in 1983. It is the oldest women's world record.
Meet Jarmila Kratochvilova:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/11/22/300B77A900000578-0-image-m-27_1452549996865.jpgShe is still 2 seconds faster than Ms. Semenya.
Go Jarmila!!!
C'mon, she's only had a little bong after workout.
http://www.svoboda.info/Upload/articles/201101/IMG_2098.JPG...or could it be a testes macerate?
That is really a picture of Jarmila. Wow. She sure is tiny now.
(By the way…delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol can also be taken either pre-workout…post-workout…non-workout…or all of the above…with lots of caffeine at the same time.)
Oh well.
much older guy wrote:
(2) This issue will fade away, as Olympic track and field is a big money business (even though in most cases it is not a big-money business for the athletes), and allowing athletes like Ms. Semenya to compete is bad for business.
Disagree. I would much rather watch a race won in 1:55 than one won in 1:57. If Semenya is creating a more quality race with better times AND graciously representing a previously nonexistent class in the sport, that is good, no great!, for business.
Justice4caster wrote:
That's the world we live in. Deal with it.
no dog in the fight wrote:
Let all of your women friends know that they live in a world where they are marginalized and tell them to deal with it, see how that turns out for you.
Ask your women friends how they feel about this, especially the ones competing in athletics.
Definitely not Blankenship wrote:
I would much rather watch a race won in 1:55 than one won in 1:57. If Semenya is creating a more quality race with better times AND graciously representing a previously nonexistent class in the sport, that is good, no great!, for business.
If I'm going to watch men, then I'd rather see them run 1:42.
If I want to see a guy running 1:55, then I'll go to a local high school track meet.
Justice4caster wrote:
Why do you think there is affirmative action? To level the playing field and create fairness.
Why don't you just support fair play?
No affirmative action needed. That's a long term solution.
Justice4caster wrote:
Why do you think there is affirmative action? To level the playing field and create fairness.
Why don't you just support fair play?
No affirmative action needed. That's a long term solution.
Justice4caster wrote:
Why do you think there is affirmative action? To level the playing field and create fairness.
Why don't you just support fair play?
No affirmative action needed. That's a long term solution.
Justice4caster wrote:
Why do you think there is affirmative action? To level the playing field and create fairness.
Why don't you just support fair play?
No affirmative action needed. That's a long term solution.
You're not very smart wrote:
Definitely not Blankenship wrote:I would much rather watch a race won in 1:55 than one won in 1:57. If Semenya is creating a more quality race with better times AND graciously representing a previously nonexistent class in the sport, that is good, no great!, for business.
If I'm going to watch men, then I'd rather see them run 1:42.
If I want to see a guy running 1:55, then I'll go to a local high school track meet.
I agree with you. Women's sports are useless for entertainment, except for the booties.
Definitely not Blankenship wrote:
You're not very smart wrote:If I'm going to watch men, then I'd rather see them run 1:42.
If I want to see a guy running 1:55, then I'll go to a local high school track meet.
I agree with you. Women's sports are useless for entertainment, except for the booties.
…and here we are again…where LRC discussions always end up (pardon the pun)...
Why do LRC discussions always...end up like this?
I don't know why…but they always end up like this.
Oh boy. Oh girl. Oh boy/girl.
Oh well.
Definitely not Blankenship wrote:
much older guy wrote:(2) This issue will fade away, as Olympic track and field is a big money business (even though in most cases it is not a big-money business for the athletes), and allowing athletes like Ms. Semenya to compete is bad for business.
Disagree. I would much rather watch a race won in 1:55 than one won in 1:57. If Semenya is creating a more quality race with better times AND graciously representing a previously nonexistent class in the sport, that is good, no great!, for business.
No, because the sports business makes its money first and foremost by creating heroes, not controversies. That's also why the anti-doping charade continues. The clean athlete myth survives not because fans are stupid, but because that's what they want to believe, so that's what they will believe unless and until confronted with overwhelming evidence.
Let the sisters sort it. wrote:
Who cares, let the sisters sort it, it's their problem.
Possibly this situation would not have arisen had the sisters been in charge of the IOC and the CAS.
But they weren't, and here we are. The sisters did not create this. And as things are currently arranged, they are unable to sort it.
Can someone post a link to this interview? The link posted earlier was shut down.
I really want to see her reaction.
Baloney wrote:
These girls need to stop whining, and instead man-up and grow a pair.
This has to be the best all time line on LetsRun
