OFFICIAL Berlin Marathon thread

In all honesty, what if you were mentored by another older experienced runner and allowed to train with and probably got into race because of them. At the same time you knew that your friend would win 500K if they won and at the end of the race, which exceeded your expectations, would you show your respect and appreciation by sprinting past in the final meters and deny said friend from the 500K? Within that context anyone who says "f%#k him I'm going for the win" reveals more about what kind of friend they are to others. I know I would defer to my friends in that situation and that they would do the same for me. Hell, I would do it if it meant my friend would win just $500.

If you get to within 100 meters of a marathon finish line in 2:04, it rather obvious that YOU GET TO MAKE YOUR OWN RULES.

Anyone who wants do differ is welcome to get there at about the same time and make a challenge

every discussion of "did kimetto give mutai the race" must first answer whether kimetto could have won. sure, he didn't press mutai over the last 2k,but if he had, mutai did not look like he was going all-out, either

kimetto didn't give mutai the race, he just didn't enter a contest he was likely to lose

To my eye both men were wrecked near the finish and were doing well to hold their form. Mutai seemed to be a little more deliberate in the stretch. Kimetto was holding on well but had rubber legs at the end...he staggered very badly immediately after crossing the line.

Most of this conspiracy theory steam seems to be misplaced disappointment that we didn't get the added thrill of a world record after seeing a great great effort.

I don't watch sports to see what great friends they are.

And I've beaten my mentors, and been beaten by those I've mentored, never thought twice about it because it was competition.

And the money being a motive doesn't make it ok. There's a word for when athletes conspire to produce an agreed-upon result for monetary purposes, it's called a "fix."

Shouldn't they DQ him from the World Marathon money? What's stopping 3 guys from working together at a bunch of races and letting one guy win and then splitting the money?

Even if these two guys worked together in the , so what, nobody else in that field was even in the picture at the end. This race wasn't fixed! The winner ran one of the fastest times ever, he earned the money and the win, get off his case

Actually the official k-splits were published live during the race & they don't correspond to the ones of TF&N, linked to by letsrun:

http://results.scc-events.com/2012/?&pid=leader_public

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Doesn't change any conclusions, just add to the unpleasant feeling.

You know what? The guys ran a 62:03 second half and all you armchair whiners just keep whining.

5 people in the world could do that - MAX.

Some of you guys are unbelievable. It was a hell of race and the fragile moral conscience of some of you can go to H*#L. Mutai has EARNED this! In a big BIG way