Boston analysis

CGHomes wrote:

Ok, I'll bite. How am I twisting stats??? You're using debuets, and second marathons where the fist was NY, the slowest of all the majors. And you're saying that Mosop will never run faster. Are you so full of yourself that you actually believe that you can know that right now? He's run one marathon. Do you know ANY runners who believe that having run a marathon previously won't help them in the future?

The ridiculousness of your argument is only exceeded by the ridiculousness that I responded.

Buddy. Post under one name, and present a cogent case.

I found Boston to be a somewhat harder course due to the downhills, something I think can be overcome with correct preparation and execution, but I'd not found it slow.

My understanding is that Boston is a tactical race, run for the win, maybe a CR for bonus money if conditions are right. I can't imagine one would go to Boston with consideration of a world record simply because the course doesn't qualify.

Given that, I'd not attribute past slower times to the Boston course itself, I'd attribute them to the nature of the event. This year, Hall went out hard with the wind and the pack kept step and it finished with two guys putting it all on the line. Were it not for Hall and the wind, there wouldn't be a 2:03.

More like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW8ymc0-dvY

I think this video is a great example of the wind Monday, and that it may or may not have helped the runners based on where they were on the course.

There are three different flags in this short clip. The first one is an american flag right in the middle of the screen as the clip starts. It's not moving even at all. Then the runners pass what looks like a Japanese flag as they pass in front of the camera. It's moving a little, but not much. The third flag is when the runners are heading away from the camera. It's certainly moving, but sideways, suggesting the wind is coming from the side, not from behind.

Add to all of that, the fact that when there is a microphone and its a windy day, you can hear the wind. Much like when talking to someone on the phone when they are outside on a windy day. There was certainly none of that.

bostonpublic wrote:

2010 malmo says 15mph from NW (can anyone confirm this?)

2011 strong tailwind.

malmo wrote:I confirmed it. This is not a State's secret. The weather record is there. I've posted an hour by hour juxtapositioning of this years event over the course map. Maybe I'll make another purdy picture for you.

Here's the purdy picture I promised.

All the flags are blocked by a building or something. The only unobstructed indicator is that big ReMax balloon. Notice which way that's leaning? The wind will actually funnel down the middle of the road a bit when it's this much of tailwind.

So if I'm reading that picture right, at NO time was the wind directly behind them and from 14-17 miles they even had a slight headwind. Does that look right?

PTF wrote:

All the flags are blocked by a building or something. The only unobstructed indicator is that big ReMax balloon. Notice which way that's leaning? The wind will actually funnel down the middle of the road a bit when it's this much of tailwind.

Blocked by the buildings huh? You mean kind of like how the runners were? With the only thing helping you is the super sized balloon that sticks out above the buildings, helping the point that the wind is stronger, the higher you go.

CGHomes wrote:

So if I'm reading that picture right, at NO time was the wind directly behind them and from 14-17 miles they even had a slight headwind. Does that look right?

You're ridiculous. A wind doesn't need to be directly behind you to benefit from it. Have you ever sailed before?

It's absolutely endless with you.

Go hammer some doubles wrote:

Wrong.

First, "the wall" is glycogen depletion and has nothing to do with quad failure due to eccentric loading on the downs.

I wasn't trying to say it did. I wasn't using Jones quote about the wall to be so literally tied to the thing about the pounding that I meant they were the same. I was just saying that part of what makes the elites elite is that they are less affected by such things -- by the wall and by the pounding. That doesn't mean they're not affected at all.

I know only too well the difference. It's what killed me this year. My quad muscles had serious sharp pains from the pounding by 16 miles. I hadn't hit the wall. I still had a lot of energy in the tank. I just couldn't use it. That made it all the more frustrating.

This discussion is way too ridiculous. I'll leave it and bump it in 5 years, when neither Mosop/Mutai/Hall will have ever come close again to what they ran on Monday.

You posted that yesterdya with the exact same wording when you were posting as Crimea River. How many other handles have you used?

The first flag was wrapped around the pole. The 2nd flag is occluded behind a building. The big huge Remax balloon is leaning in the direction of the wind and so are those two Ameican flags.

Why are you so obsessed at ignoring the obvious?

malmo wrote:

I assure you, it is much easier, and flatter, to simply follow the roads rather than try to climb buildings. The roads are flat. The buildings are not.

Bob Prichard and Ryan Hall will back you on that one.

malmo wrote:

You're ridiculous. A wind doesn't need to be directly behind you to benefit from it. Have you ever sailed before?

It's absolutely endless with you.

I love your arguments, or lack there of. Bring a point, or a counter point occasionally. Don't just hide behind "you're ridiculous", or "you must be a newbie" or "you're pissing into the wind" or "repeat in English".

Everytime someone makes a point that's how you cop out.

Going by your own charts the wind varied between 12 and 18 mph coming from behind, at an angle, and at times from the front at an angle. I just don't understand where you guys are getting this 20mph tailwind the entire way stuff.

smd wrote:

Bob Prichard and Ryan Hall will back you on that one.[/quote]

You remembered? LOL1 Well then I'll post it again for you!

Ryan Hall should be able to handle those 'hills' at Berlin! 1:35 into the video.

[quote]malmo wrote:

You posted that yesterdya with the exact same wording when you were posting as Crimea River. How many other handles have you used?

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Really????? Wow, you really are getting dillusional. I'd love to see that post. Let me save you some searching time. Only one handle for me.

malmo wrote:

smd wrote:

Bob Prichard and Ryan Hall will back you on that one.

You remembered? LOL1 Well then I'll post it again for you!

Ryan Hall should be able to handle those 'hills' at Berlin! 1:35 into the video.

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Here's a link for the short-attention-span crowd:

The music is so perfect.

No...as far as the runners are concerned...the wind is not blocked by buildings. Since the wind is predominately at the runners back it will be quite strong in the middle of the road where it is relatively unobstructed. Wind behaves much like a flowing river...taking the path of least resistance.

In this case, where the wind is following the direction of the road so closely, the buildings on either side can almost make the wind in the middle of the road stronger as it becomes almost like a wind tunnel.

But you won't see much wind reflected on those flags that are a few feet directly downwind of a brick building.

smd wrote:

Here's a link for the short-attention-span crowd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Uv7DjCHN8#t=1m35s

The music is so perfect.

How did you do that, manually or is there a shortcut to jump in time?

I just hate Mebrahtom Keflezighi wasn't in this Boston marathon to finally run a sub 2:07!