Hall knows himself better than anybody. Maybe if he was coaching himself for Chicago he would of listened to his body and not a coach who over trained him. I remember a runner who won Boston 3 times in a row who was self coached. None other than Cosmas N'Deti, 1993,1994, 1995. Not too bad. Ryan will run better than ever in 2011. He is the type who will run better listening to his own body and being creative instead of listening to a coach who was running him into the ground.
cynical idealist wrote:
This is the credited response.
What do you mean by this?
My point is, if you're 5 feet tall and dream of dunking a basketball, great. Work your ass off and get as close as you can. But if it's really, really unlikely to happen, does that mean you and everyone who is your fan should obsess about how much you've failed? What if you got closer to dunking than any 5' tall person in history (i.e. an American record, or a 5k where you battle with the Africans down to the final lap)?
Also Jews don't really believe that, outside of a very small, very much fringe group
Dude, I am not going to say any more about this - do your own research. You will find that what I say is backed up in academia time and again. When it comes to historical truth of Jesus please don't ever give me one quote from the bible and expect me to accept it as truth. What a joke. Historians do you use the bible to distinguish truth from reality but they use it in an intelligent way. They don't just take one guy's word as truth.My gosh, I am appalled by the lack of rigor and intelligence applied by most people.
Rosa Parks here wrote:
Quantguy wrote:I'm not going to to even bother reading the rest of your diatribe because this statement is just wrong. Nearly every historian agrees that Christ never declared himself the son of God. He was a doomsday guy who preached many things that can and should be admired, but he did not preach that he was the son of God.
Thomas said to him , "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my father as well. From now on you do know him and have seen him." John 14.5-7.
Just one of many examples, from John, an eyewitness, which should cause you to doubt the historians you mentioned.
You are the first person to whom I have remembered a Bible passage. My wife would fall onto the floor in shock.
[quote]Rosa Parks here wrote:
You must remember that Jews and Muslims consider Christ a prophet or holy man which of course makes absolutely no sense since Christ often declared himself to be the Son of God. /quote]
There is no body of literature or written record of Jesus other than the religious texts for historians to say much about Jesus one way or the other.
Religion is approached via faith. God has not provided iron clad evidence, either of Himself or of Jesus. Yet, He has provided enough information/inspiration through the scriptures for those who will heed His call to find their way to His light.
Belief in God is a choice, a choice driven by free will and faith. Many people are repulsed by the notion of God. They are drawn to ideas that dismiss God as anachronistic superstition. Other people find themselves drawn to God and wish to build their lives and inner beings according to His will and desire.
So, choose ye today...which path will you follow?
"There is no body of literature or written record of Jesus other than the religious texts for historians to say much about Jesus one way or the other.
Religion is approached via faith. God has not provided iron clad evidence, either of Himself or of Jesus. Yet, He has provided enough information/inspiration through the scriptures for those who will heed His call to find their way to His light.
Belief in God is a choice, a choice driven by free will and faith. Many people are repulsed by the notion of God. They are drawn to ideas that dismiss God as anachronistic superstition. Other people find themselves drawn to God and wish to build their lives and inner beings according to His will and desire.
So, choose ye today...which path will you follow?"
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Oh La La, I will follow You, as your capitalization of personal pronouns has shown me the light and the way of how to properly exhibit my own existential Fears of The Boogeyman.
Seems like you capitalized your own personal pronoun, eh?
"Seems like you capitalized your own personal pronoun, eh?"
Personal pronoun- definition
A personal pronoun is a pronoun that expresses a distinction of person.
Examples (English)
I
he
she
it
we
they
inflected forms such as me, my, mine, etc.
Note that the capitalization of any other pronoun than "I" is grammatically incorrect. I'll pay attention to Webster's and The Elements of Style (and will try and fail, just as any disciple would) before I pay attention to any religious text or rule, (except for Hustler, which is where I first began to build my own religion along with selected excerpts from Mad Magazine and Truly Tasteless Jokes, Volume 4.)
this is a classic lrc thread - starts with a simple statement of fact and devolves into all the lrc touchstones:
race
self rightous atheism
trollism
politics
and finally
on page 8
it finally hit grammar.
The godwin law on lrc does work for Nazis, but it also works for grammar.
Rosa Parks here wrote:
hallisthebestright wrote:if jesus was even a real person, you still have to explain why the majority of jews living in and around jerusalem at the time were utterly unconvinced that he was the messiah they'd been faithfully awaiting for millennia. it was only until the myth made its way out to the gentiles (and away from most eye-witnesses) that jesus' cultists could find people gullible enough to believe it en masse
Some Messianic Jews believe and teach that this is just the latest in a thousands of years cycle of turning away/returning by the Jewish people. It is nothing new.
Who knows where it will all end?
Those eyewitnesses you mention are more commonly known as the writers of the Gospels, who were Jews as were the hundreds of disciiples who fanned out to preach across nations to Jews and Gentiles. Paul was a Jew who originally made his living oppressing and killing Christians. Whom do you think were in the multitudes who ate from the loaves and the fishes and listened to the Sermon on the Mount?
Read the Gospels, don't be frightened by this strange era of pop culture, then make up your own mind.
I was blown away by the structure of the writing, the first time I read the Old Testament which occurred far into adulthood.
I had been taught that Victor Hugo was most responsible for the modern structure of the narrative.
As I read the Gospels, I could not help thinking that the 100 greatest novelists of modern times would have had to have been transported back to the time of Christ in order for such a story to have been contrived. This was my first inkling of the veracity of the New Testament. I am still a work in progress which does not bother me because almost all Christian theologians still debate minute details of both the Old and New Testaments.
The concise description of the disciples' character traits rang so true. The letters of Paul to his flocks are full of human conflict and institutional politics. There is so much wisdom and folly.
You must remember that Jews and Muslims consider Christ a prophet or holy man which of course makes absolutely no sense since Christ often declared himself to be the Son of God. A mere prophet, a flesh and blood man who declared himself to be the Son of God would by definition be a nut case.
So, either he was what he described himself to be or other faiths are honoring a nut case as a great prophet.
It makes me very uncomfortable to engage in these types of discussions especially on a sporting message board but it has become so clear that so many young people have never looked into these matters for themselves, have never been taught about this history or philosophy in high school or college and worst of all, seem to have gotten their information from cable TV flame throwers, cheap soap salesmen like Bill Maher and John Stewart.
Funny is funny but snearing stand up comics shouldn't keep you from looking into these matters.
No one who wrote the Gospels ever met Jesus of Nazareth. The earliest, Mark, was written about 35 years after Jesus' death, while John was written another 30-35 years after that. They were written based on what the writers had been told about Jesus, and were written in Greek and not Aramaic, which would have been spoken by Jesus and his disciples. Go look up John 3:1-15 (I wrote about this on a different thread yesterday). Jesus tells Nicodemus that in order to enter the kingdom of God, he must be born "above", but Nicodemus is confused, because of a double meaning between "above" and "again" and tells Jesus that surely he can't re-enter his mother's womb, at which point Jesus makes clear what he's talking about. The reason we know this conversation never took place is because that double meaning between "above" and "again" exists in Greek and not Aramaic.
Additionally, the C.S. Lewis arguement that Jesus must have either been a liar, a lunatic or Lord and Savior based on his claims of divinity is an unconvincing one. It assumes that Jesus actually declared himself to be divine in real life, and it's only in John (the last and most recent of the Gospels) in which he does that. It's nowhere in the synoptic gospels. Given that John was written much later, it would seem that the idea of Jesus being God came later, at least a few generations after Jesus' death, as stories about him evolved and the early Christians adapted what they heard about him to what they wanted to believe and what was useful for their developing religion. So to answer C.S. Lewis (and you), we can't make an accurate assessment on Jesus the Man because it seems unlikely that he actually made any statement of divinity.
I have not read any of this thread, none, so shoot me if this has already been covered.
For the most part Frank Shorter did OK without a coach, why can't Hall do the same? Shorter had it dialed in after spending time with Jack B & the FLA group, why can't Hall come out of this even better?
this is a classic lrc thread - starts with a simple statement of fact and devolves into all the lrc touchstones:
race
self rightous atheism
trollism
politics
and finally
on page 8
it finally hit grammar.
The godwin law on lrc does work for Nazis, but it also works for grammar.
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It does hit 'em all, but calling out the self righteous atheism and not the religious preaching or any of the other criticism and/or commentary is a bit slanted, just sayin'. Not that we all don't help to derail the focus, but at least admit it's a group effort.
Man, there's always some reactionary stuff on here, but as soon as it offends someone's sense of cool, then it's called trolling. Hate to say it holmes, but you're just as much of a self-righteous "troll" for pointing it all out, rather than letting it pass, as the next guy.
I do believe Hall can coach himself. There's something about his insecurity and checking the splits, the watch, the whole lack of personal trust that says to me he may actually be better off finding his own way without the direct guidance of someone else. One way or another, it seems like it couldn't get any worse.
Definitely needs to race more and at varied distances.
maybe the checking in on the splits and pace comes from the coaching he received....ever thought of that?
joeink wrote:
I do believe Hall can coach himself. There's something about his insecurity and checking the splits, the watch, the whole lack of personal trust that says to me he may actually be better off finding his own way without the direct guidance of someone else. One way or another, it seems like it couldn't get any worse.
Definitely needs to race more and at varied distances.
1) Agreed he seems to need to find his own way
2) Couldn't get any worse than the fastest native born American ever at Boston? 3rd and 4th place finishes at marathon majors? Could get a lot worse than that.
Hall is an odd bird who seems to need to find his own path.
A guy that good who has spent that much time runnign at world class levels can certainly coach himself.
I just think he's done too many marathons already - too hard on the body and mind. Not sure where that leaves him...world xc?
I just think he's done too many marathons already - too hard on the body and mind. Not sure where that leaves him...world xc?
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That's what I'm talking about. World XC would be great.
I'm not one to say his previous results aren't impressive; they're amazing. It's the trajectory that seems off and it can't be denied that the last couple years have seen a slide from what was a rising stength.
I really don't think it can get much worse, since we're talking about a guy who isn't a super-fast track guy but broke 60 at a young age for the 1/2. He's obviously built for distance, including XC, which I think would sharpen him up competitively and get him more familiar with mixing it up.
He got in the fight at London a couple years back and hung pretty tough, but something has to show him how to just let go and run as hard as he can and either succeed or crash and burn, not as a general practice or strategy, but something needs to take him into the danger zone.
Time to go train closer to sea level, get those batteries recharged, and shoot for a top-25 finish at World XC whenever it is held again.
the best part of world xc would be that he couldn't rely on splits and time trialing - he would have to get up there and race. Would teach him how to compete by position and not by time.
The Jewish Religion believes that the Messiah will be a Utopian one,not the Suffering Servant the once and for all sacrifice of Jesus. "and They shall beat their swords into plowshares,Neither shall they learn War anymore" 2nd Isaiah
That's why they asked for Barnabus/Barabus to be saved who had led a Slave Rebellion and not Jesus.Indirectly condeming him to death.
Christianity became popular when the Holy Roman Empire accepted it when in reality the Romans Crucified him.
Christianity accepts the resurrection and Crucifiction on Faith.
Jews believe if they are just,ethical, and moral etc.and believe in the Big G/G-d they will be saved without accepting Jesus. I don't care if the Messiah comes the first or second time just let him come.
does anyone else think that the majority of Ryan hall's message was an attempt to be nice? I know the trolls here are ragging on religion and his ability to think for himself, but we are all working on the assumption that what he wrote is factual.
And I think what Hall wrote is genuine. I do think he spent a long time carefully considering what this move would mean for himself, his family, his coach and teammates. But as with public divorces, most likely he is covering several issues.
My translation and summary of Hall's anouncement:
"We are having coach/athlete problems, but I don't want to be Shalane Flanagan. So let me publicly say that its not TM, its me that wants the change. And a few months down the road I may take up a coach, but like a good breakup, I am going to leave a little time in between so it does not look like I am just looking at the greener side of the pasture. I have enough running experience to get by for one training cycle. Thank you to TM for bringing where I am today, but there are some changes I want to make that you will not allow me to do."
And I applaud him for writing politically correct, but it sounds like his reversion to using God as justification is more of a "i don't want to be mean, I am carefully considering this" as opposed to "i was struck by lightning and this is what it meant."