If not Noah's arc, maybe it's the boat from the Epic of Gilgamesh?
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/tab11.htm
If not Noah's arc, maybe it's the boat from the Epic of Gilgamesh?
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/tab11.htm
It's not a boat. It's a high altitude building where some animals lived. A high altitude zoo if you will.
The US is an amazing place....people will believe anything...so out of step w/ the rest of the world...
Noah way!
the thing I regret most about religion is not starting my own
f@#king christ....people will bend over backwards to believe fairytales. No wonder you septics have built all these crystal cathedrals and sh!t. The amount of money wasted by US citizens on religion could extinguish all their liabilities in a matter of years.
Its truly staggering...
Gotta love religious zealots. Guys, there are approximately 38,000 different species of spiders alone. To get two of each of these on a boat would be ... challenging, to say the least. And keeping all of them completely separate from the 12,000+ species of ants must have been an organizational nightmare.
in His image wrote:
Not spontaneously erupted. Carefully made (molded) in His image. Or, the PC version, Carefully made in Her/His image.
That was a metaphor, by the way. The Hebrews who wrote that down during their occupation under the Babylonians didn't believe that the god of Abraham looked like a human. Abraham's god was only anthropromorphisized following the pagan influences that created Christianity.
Hardwood wrote:
Gotta love religious zealots. Guys, there are approximately 38,000 different species of spiders alone. To get two of each of these on a boat would be ... challenging, to say the least. And keeping all of them completely separate from the 12,000+ species of ants must have been an organizational nightmare.
Do you question the wisdom of God?
...a pox on you!
Nice that the archeaologists have found the best Nazi brain in years, discovered in Arizona, Jan Brewer is her name.
In cabalistic tradition, the secret identity of Abraham's teacher who appeared in the Kidron Valley to initiate him to a higher spiritual level was not Melchizedek, but Noah. Noah was really a demi-god who never really died, but moved into another dimension. Not coincidentally, Abraham took his son Isaac up to a mountain to sacrifice him on the alter of Melchizedek. There, too, Isaac was initiated by Noah and was made to understood his role in fostering human development by playing a conscious part in the transformation of the world following the sacrifice of the brow chakara.
Does anyone care that this is clearly a hoax? Are there any actual evangelicals posting on this thread or just a bunch of trolls trying to make them look bad? You do realize that "Noah's Ark" is discovered every few years by some ministry or other, most recently in 2007? And that there are clear archaeological records of the Middle East during the proposed time period (4800 ya,) with no evidence of a major catastrophe, let alone a worldwide flood? Or that making claims about "600 cultures have a flood tradition" actually DISPROVES your argument, as a global flood wiping out everyone on Earth only 5000 years ago, and the ensuing migration and re population, would show up in EVERY cultural history in the world? There is WRITTEN history, in the form of cave drawings, going back at least the far.
those guys in the bible myths are offshoots of kenyan tribal stories originating 20,000 years before. abraham is only a cartoon chracter. jesus was some black jew trying to get more pussy. those bible myths are tales from africa used by con-artists to molest little boys. that's what they did before texas and frisco became the gay hangouts. hope this helps.
Amusingly, Egyptian hieroglyphics and Sumerian cuneiform both existed around 5000 years ago. There were also cities throughout the Middle East, and bronze smelting, irrigation canals, and wheeled vehicles had all been invented. Very little sign of water damage, however. Curious. Also, doesn't the bible mention only the mountains of urartu? Why do all the evangelicals assume the Ark would be on one peak (Mount Masis, now often referred to as Ararat) within an entire region? Doesn't that seem a bit convenient?
Moes Tavern wrote:
3. Every culture has a god and from the earliest time, man has always claimed a god. Back to the most primitive cultures. Something inside us tells us there one. These "gods" have had many names, many forms, but man has always accepted a higher being than himself.
No, people look to try to explain what they don't understand by creating a "god".
heytheredelilah wrote:
If this was just any other random artifact, say from the old roman ages, that had nothing to do with Christianity or the Bible, and nothing to do with God, or, most importantly, would not lend validity to the Bible in any way, then people on this board would be much more inclined to believe it. You know this is right
No, I don't believe this is true. If there was some Roman story about some big ass boat that had been built around a great flood where some guy brought two of each animal onto the boat I would be sceptical as well. Also, let's not forget that people have claimed to find the Ark before and it is a hoax.
I'd be very interested to see the size of a boat that held two each of the millions of species of animal. I mean, how could they have missed it?!
trotty moore wrote:
No, people look to try to explain what they don't understand by creating a "god".
Religion - the intellectually poor man's QED
Moes Tavern wrote:
heytheredelilah
You missed my point by all of this. Homer is credited with writing the Iliad and the Odyssey, yet nothing was actually written until 1000 after Homer died. No proof, yet he still gets a free ride that he wrote. EVERYONE accepts that, yet some people want to question Scripture that has been accepted through the ages..
This makes almost no since at all. The point with the Iliad isn't that Homer wrote it or didn't write it. It’s with the fact that the Iliad does use historical evidence that can be proven; however, no one believes that Athena and the other gods came down and influenced that war. The Bible also use historically provable evidence, however that does not mean the Bible is 100% accurate. There are a lot of old books that a lot of peopled believed in and died for that today we just look upon as good stories.
I actually read every post on this thread. A first for a long one. I don't know where to begin with debunking many claims, but let me start with this...
You didn't actually read every thread on this post because if you had you wouldn't have posted the following list.
1. I don't know if this claim of the ark is true. I doubt the Shroud of Turin and think it has been debunked. It doesn't matter to me if the ark proves to be true because I know that many will discount it even if it were to be proven.
I'm not disagreeing with you on this point. However, how would you prove that this was the actual Noah's ark and not some old hut on top of a mountain. (BTW did anyone else see the straw in the pictures and the spider webs at 12000 feet whatever is on top of that mountain the video pictures shown on fox were not from 12000 feet) As you can see you can not really prove this is Noah's ark 100% so some people will always question it.
2. Over 600 cultures have a story about a man and a boat who saved the animals. Many of the cultures have conflicts, different religions, etc. but think about it. Where did this claim of a flood come from? 600 cultures have a similar story.....
600 cultures do not have similar stories WITH A MAN AND A BOAT WHO SAVE ANIMALS. Many cultures have a flood story; however, many cultures have experienced floods and have created mythical stories about these floods.
Name me 10 cultures that have the flood story as written in the Bible. I can only think of really 5 off the top of my head and they are all from the Middle East. How interesting that 5 cultures from the same area have the same story. Maybe just maybe they plagiarized from each other.
Just because many cultures have flood stories doesn't make the story of Noah true. It just means floods have impacted people’s lives for thousands of years
3. Every culture has a god and from the earliest time, man has always claimed a god. Back to the most primitive cultures. Something inside us tells us there one. These "gods" have had many names, many forms, but man has always accepted a higher being than himself.
Ok so why is the Christian god more really that Zeus or Horus? Why should you not worship the flying spaghetti monster. Just as many facts back that up as the Christian god.
gods and goddess were needed for a very long time because man did not understand the natural world. Believing in the lightening god helped early man not be so afraid of the world that surrounded him. It helped explain to him why things happened the way they did. As we learn more about the natural world we no longer need the crutch that is a god or goddess. We no longer need to make up why things happen like earthquakes we can instead explain them through scientific reasoning using the scientific method.
4. Numerically, it is impossible to accept that we have been on earth for 4+ billion years. Mankind would have died out. If you take the rate of growth at 6+ billion now and go back fifty years in the world census was only 2.7 billion in 1960. We only saw 1 billion in 1803. Quite a growth. Assuming we only grew by 20% every 50 years and go backwards, it is mathematically impossible. I have asked noted mathematicians (even an associate with John Nash) and Marilyn Vos Savant, but they had no answer...
Really I spend like 45 minutes writing a post about 3 pages back that explained completely why this theory is very very stupid.
Your whole stupid theory (I apologize for calling it stupid but it is) depends on one major flaw. You are assuming that man has had the same exact farming technology, medicine technology, advanced transportation, and other technology for 5000 or more years. Please tell me that you are not stupid enough to believe we have had this technology that long. You are also assuming that every man and woman bred likes rabbits for as long as they could and that none of those babies every died and all grew to adulthood to breed like rabbits to. Just look up infant death rates 100 years ago, 500 years ago, 1000 years ago and you will begin to understand why your theory (shouldn’t even call it a theory) is very very stupid.
Food production alone could not keep up with your projection. If there is not enough food then the population does not grow, please tell me you understand this. No food=no growth The growth rate has increased in the last 100 years because of advances in machinery technology for FARMING and in the medical field.
If you really did talk to an associate of John Nash's (which I doubt) they must have worked as janitors or they were drunk at the time and didn't care to think logically about your plagiarized theory.
5. and lastly, there are scientific writings in the Old Testament regarding geography, science, medicine and astronomy that took centuries and millenniums to catch up with what the Bible wrote eons ago..
Really you think this proves anything. Many cultures had advanced sciences that we are astounded by today. The Mayans had advanced astronomy that scientists are amazed they could do, yet you don't see us practicing human sacrifice still.
On top of that please list some of the proven science, geography, medicine, and astronomy that is listed in the Bible that was so advanced for its time. This is the same bible that the Catholic church used to prove that the earth was flat right?
I find it funny that science and archealogy continue to prove Biblical accounts, but again, you probably don't care.
Please list some of the things that prove Biblical accounts. Just because an archeologist digs up a city that is listed in the Bible does not make the bible 100% true. Remember a lot of books use historical facts but in the end people realize these books are just stories. Use the Bible as an historical document, it is one after all, however take something that it says at face value just like you would if you were reading the Iliad or Gilgamesh.
I honestly can't believe I just spent 30 minutes typing this up when you probably will not even read it and you are either a troll, because I can't believe there are people in this world who actually think like you do, or you are a 14-15 year old kid who heard something clever in Sunday school without realizing that the idea had been around for decades and has been disproven many times over.
No tradition of the early days in Mesopotamia is in such close agreement with the biblical story of Noah and the flood as the Epic of Gilgamesh. In some cases, there is almost verbatim correspondence. The major difference between these two stories is that the one recounted in Genesis (8.4) mentions only one God. In comparison, the story of Gilgamesh appears to be a more primitive conception involving a heaven overcrowded with gods, many of whom bear very human characteristics-- much like Noah himself. Utnapishtim is the Sumerian Noah.
The stories are METAPHORS. Please stop taking everything literally. If only people were just a little less stupid.