Baby Nationals

I don't think anyone who got as fast as Wejo should ever feel "insecure" about his times. I mean, based on his times, he could have gotten a double win in D3 nats pretty handily, right? In XC this argument would make sense, because you need a good team to do well, and good teams cost $$$ at the collegiate level, no matter how good the coaching is. Money can buy depth, but it can't always buy excellence, and the D2 and 3 athletes have access to many of the same advantages the D1 individuals have... good athletic trainers, ice baths, preferential selection in getting academic scholarships, etc.

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amxnb wrote:

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Work on the spelling there...... Sport.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=1787789

Nice comeback from another hypocrite. There is a whole squad of people on letsrun who whine when their spelling is corrected, yet those same people feel it's a right to start of insulting posts about wejo with "poor spelling and grammar skills with your Ivy league education".

holy crap if you want to put up irritating BS on your site that will piss off everyone and enlighten no one, let me write for you!! its all I was ever good at.

Wejo

you state,"The general viewer of the site is not discussing who is going to win DII, DIII, etc."

then what are these doing on this site???

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/process_search.php?search=dIII+predictions&search_time=0

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=2445238&thread=2407883

thats 20 pages! wowy! a whole lot of people must have been discussing things then eh?

but like you said no one cares at all....

thats why you have 9 pages of angry people complaining

your stupid and so is your logic

hey wejo how come you get to edit your posts and we don't? I want an edit option on here, it would clear out a lot of the annoying grammar corrections that plague the forum

Strawman.

A Voice of Reason (Maybe) wrote:

I don't think anyone who got as fast as Wejo should ever feel "insecure" about his times. I mean, based on his times, he could have gotten a double win in D3 nats pretty handily, right? In XC this argument would make sense, because you need a good team to do well, and good teams cost $$$ at the collegiate level, no matter how good the coaching is. Money can buy depth, but it can't always buy excellence, and the D2 and 3 athletes have access to many of the same advantages the D1 individuals have... good athletic trainers, ice baths, preferential selection in getting academic scholarships, etc.

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Weldon.

First off, your site is great and it is clear that you are a great runner and a great supporter of the sport. You are doing a lot to keep others excited about the sport of running. All of that is awesome. I do not know you in person, so it is not my place to cast any judgements. However, you have asked our opinion, so I feel that is acceptable to answer.

I think that if you examine yourself and consider your own true intentions, you know that your headline was written with the explisite intent to offend and irritate. Your posts and responses make me feel as though you are trying to dig yourself out of a hole. And I understand that. I think you realize that you have offended, and in hindsight, it would have been better not to have writte what you wrote.

As DIII runners, even those who get the chance to run at the National level, we know that there are hundereds of DI runners better than us. And dozens more from DII and NAIA, and even several high schoolers.

The fact that you feel the need to belittle our field speak volumes about you. Perhaps it was a simple mistake, but more than likely, it reflects a deep seeded sense of elightism that you hold. Your life accomplishment, I assume, is your 28 minute 10k. And that is a remarkable time. But you yourself know that nearly nobody outside of the running community cares or knows what that means. As a result, you still feel the need to elevate yourself.

Yes, you could probably have won the 5k and 10k with ease back in your prime, and maybe even now.

But why the cheap shot?

Let those who love the sport of running enjoy themselves, without lording your abilities over theirs'.

That being said, we all make mistakes. Your comment was a mistake. Rather then digging youself out, recognize your comment as a sign of inner elitism.

But that is a just a suggestion.

Wejo in his college days would not have won D3 nats. His times were slower than a couple d3 runners in college. Yes, he improved afterwards, but I bet if you gave the top D3 guys the same trust fund wejo has to just dick around and run they would be just as good.

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The perfect combination of thin skinned whiners, trolls, and pompus blowhards. All feeding on each other in an infinite loop of absurdity. The perfect storm if you will.

Guys, guys. You're missing the whole point of Baby Nationals. Wejo doesn't mean it in a demeaning way. I mean, you lil guys TRY really HARD. I'm proud of you for that. I went to one Baby Nationals and it was SO CUTE watching you lil guys tromping around on the track. You even got in your lanes right! So what if a couple of you guys would have been lapped by former DI star Shalane Flanagan(girl). 'A' for Effort!

I have an idea: Next year at Baby Nats(baby natties?) they should give away free tickets to NCAA DI Nationals to the winners of their events. Backstretch seating of course. Heck, I'd even throw in a Wisconsin Badgers or a Texas Longhorns t-shirt, so they could feel like the real thing.

Weldon, you did not take 10 seconds to respond to my email about this matter, but yes the term "Baby Nationals" is demeaning to Division 2, Division 3 and NAIA athletes.

So now maybe you should call the Division 1 nationals "Toddler Nationals."

The previous poster says that Division 2/3/NAIA athletes deserve this term because they would have been lapped by Shalane Flanagan. OK so what about athletes who would be lapped twice by Bekele? They'd still run under 29. What do we call them? Kids? Of course not.

All athletes, no matter if they are running 26:17 or 66:17 for 10km or 2:04 or 6:04 for the marathon deserve more than a bit of respect. Our sport is brutally hard as you know quite well.

I posted that nasty "blog" because that is what this site is becoming: A pile of POO, and we are eating the POO. You seriously need to update, re-do and re-organize your site. Your proofreading, or lack thereof, reflects badly on the distinguished alma maters (Yale and Princeton) of you and your brother. This is not 1997 anymore. Your site needs a major overhaul.

I was joking Mayeroff.

This whole thread is pathedic. First off you have people whinning about "baby nationals". Then you have those who insult anyone saying they are offended by it, when in reality these pussfarts would not dare call D2/D3 "baby nationals" to the face of any D2, D3 runner. But we will keep on arguing this despite the fact that come the Summer Games we'll get crapped on. And finally we have those posters that are like annoying flies correcting grammar and spelling, even if the person they are bickering with makes a valid point they choose to attack their spelling. These cockslugs are the worst, is anyone here writing a thesis? no dickbrain, everyone here is posting on a dumpy looking message board.

And all of these reasons are why we enjoy letsrun.

MAYEROFF wrote:

I posted that nasty "blog" because that is what this site is becoming: A pile of POO, and we are eating the POO. You seriously need to update, re-do and re-organize your site. Your proofreading, or lack thereof, reflects badly on the distinguished alma maters (Yale and Princeton) of you and your brother. This is not 1997 anymore. Your site needs a major overhaul.

Wow, words of wisdom and a request to re-organize the site from a guy who last week posted a link to a page photos of a fat guy smearing shit on himself.

Just great. And now you come here today and criticize the way wejo runs the site and his education?

You want to make the site better? How about looking at yourself in the mirror before you tell wejo anything. Try not posting stuff like I mentioned above, or your sexual exploits with teenagers.

Some observations:

1. Why are D-II and D-III being so butt-hurt over "baby" nationals?" I am guessing that the Scott Bauhs and Aaron Rono's of D-II and D-III couldn't care less, it's the 15:50 5kers that are being rattled by these comments. A good runner does not need the approval of a website to know that they are a good runner.

2. These posters are probably the guys that say Adams state is better than Colorado every year based off the first meet of the season.

3. Quit ripping on Wejo. He runs this awesome site for you, and you guys pull this garbage out from behind the safety of your keyboards. I ran D-I in college, but not for one of the powerhouse conferences. If Wejo would have referred to them as the baby conferences, I wouldn't have been offended. Yes we had national caliber athletes, but

4. The feelings of inferiority probably stem from within, not from these comments.

5. As a whole, D-II and D-III nationals are much softer and watered down than D-I. There are some great athletes in each event, but overall it is like Triple A compared to the bigs.

CONCLUSION: Shut up, go out for a run, and stop crying over this.

"4. The feelings of inferiority probably stem from within, not from these comments."

To be fair, the inferiority issue on the part of D2 and D3 athletes has less to do with feeling inferior than misunderstood. The NCAA has three divisions for a reason. Each division has it's own unique character. I chose to run at a D2 school for a reason. I didn't want to run at a big school where I would have to live, breathe, and sleep running. School mattered more to me. I think the athletes at Brandeis, WashU, Case Western, and any other academically oriented schools would agree.

Athletes go to different divisions for different reasons. Even reasons other than academics. To make a blanket characterization, assume that D1 is the only game in town, and imply that everything else is for "babies" or "kids" displays a complete lack of understanding regarding the NCAA.