Editor's Note: We changed the title of the thread to be more descriptive. Original title was "Mallard Creek DQ." Here is an article about the DQ: http://charlotteobserver.com/s...
Here is a new video showing what the runner in question did earlier in the meet after winning the 300 hurdles. The official claim she warned him after that win even though what he did in that win seems fine: https://x.com/Sheena_Marie3/st...
I’m seeing conflicting things. Some articles say 3 titles, some say 5. If anyone knows much about how to find out directly from a good source (not a media article), that would be great
This would have been their 5th consecutive overall title. They've won the last 2 outdoor and last 2 indoor titles prior to this one.
Yelling and taunting after the first race, and taunting in the second race before the finish line by his hand in a manner that is clearly not part of his stride pattern. The first video is actually worse and would be a DQ by most if not all high school officials in my area (I’ve asked).
Flexing well beyond the finish line and yelling "right!" (I think) isn't taunting. Holding up a hand a stride or two prior to the finish isn't taunting or disrespectful.
There was nothing wrong or outside the box with either situation.
I am an old fashioned guy who dislikes a lot of the showboating and taunting in other sports, but I am struggling to see what this kid did that warranted this level of response. I think I would agree with the DQ if he'd gotten in someone's face after and said something rude, but he appears to be a wholesome kid excited about his solid performance. I can't really hear what he is saying, but certainly holding up your hand while crossing the finish line isn't grounds for this response. WHAT AM I MISSING?
You’re half right. The issue is the level of punishment. The issue is NOT whether the rule is violated. That is already clear by the video. The rules were violated.
You can say this as often as you'd like. You'd be wrong as often as you say it.
Correct. It’s on the video. Back when I ran, carrying on like that after the first race is a good way to get hit by another athlete or to have your coach sit you out for a meet. I thought that was much more egregious than the 4x4. Act like you’re been there before.
I competed in HS more than 50 years ago. At that time neither of these actions would have gotten a second look. I'm thinking at this point that you have to be trolling.
He was a little rowdy at the end of the 300 meter hurdles, probably needed to contain that excitement a little. Holding a 5 for 5 titles was a nothing burger. We live in a timeline where this guy gets DQ'd and McFarland can do all that in the 4x800 and even thrust his hips with his teammates... feel bad for this young kid and wish him well at nc state
That official needs to be permanently disqualified. The kid is just celebrating when he is light years ahead. The 5 fingers he holds up represent the 5th state title in a row for his school.
Completely harmless, not a taunt, not disrespectful in any way.
And regardless, unnatural stride movements before the line (especially in a final) will get you wanted or disqualified by many high school crews. This is not new. We were warned about this a lot in high school. But now the flavor of the day is for coaches to apparently let their athletes do it and then cry foul when the rules are enforced.
Uh...there is not a rule in any track & field rule book that says what your stride pattern can be or should be. Nor does it say you can't run the entire race with an arm or both arms raised the entire distance. What he did was not unsportsmanlike, nor was it taunting. Kids at the very same meet did much more than this. You can't warn any athlete about a rule that does not exist and you can't make up rules in the middle of any competition or even before the start. Rules in the rule book are for the current playing season. The official was dead wrong.
The raised left arm with fully extended hand, for 5 state titles, facing back towards the competition is a taunt (in your face). How is it not a taunt? Rule 4-6-1 was properly applied here.
Rule 4-6-1: Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. This shall apply to all coaches, contestants, and other team/school personnel.
Penalty: Disqualification from that event and further competition in the meet.
The raised left arm with fully extended hand, for 5 state titles, facing back towards the competition is a taunt (in your face). How is it not a taunt? Rule 4-6-1 was properly applied here.
Rule 4-6-1: Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. This shall apply to all coaches, contestants, and other team/school personnel.
Penalty: Disqualification from that event and further competition in the meet.
the hand is facing back at his competition? You are reaching so hard my god.
I guess I grew up in an area where people were taught respect and to follow the rules, because a lot of this discussion just baffles me as if you guys are speaking a different language.
There’s not even a discussion, in my mind, that multiple rules (likely two) were violated. The athlete was taunting and showboating. Pretending otherwise is a non-starter and is not supported by the clear video evidence.
The discussion should be about whether a DQ is an appropriate punishment. I think most of us agree it is not. But the answer also shouldn’t be that we throw all of our long-held traditions of basic sportsmanship out the window because we don’t like how the rule was enforced on this one occasion.
There wasn’t showboating. There was no taunting at all. This was the mildest celebration possible and it was more than consistent with “long-held traditions of basic sportsmanship.”
take the stick out of your rear and get some perspective.
Taunting is picking out an individual and making a gesture at that person, or saying something to that person, or mocking that person, etc.
Taunting is not holding up five fingers to celebrate a fifth title.
If someone was taunted, I would love for someone to show me in specific terms which person. Because that person would not know, based on this video, that they were "taunted."
And no, holding up a hand, or a #1 finger, or five fingers is not "taunting the field."
I guess I grew up in an area where people were taught respect and to follow the rules, because a lot of this discussion just baffles me as if you guys are speaking a different language.
There’s not even a discussion, in my mind, that multiple rules (likely two) were violated. The athlete was taunting and showboating. Pretending otherwise is a non-starter and is not supported by the clear video evidence.
The discussion should be about whether a DQ is an appropriate punishment. I think most of us agree it is not. But the answer also shouldn’t be that we throw all of our long-held traditions of basic sportsmanship out the window because we don’t like how the rule was enforced on this one occasion.
There wasn’t showboating. There was no taunting at all. This was the mildest celebration possible and it was more than consistent with “long-held traditions of basic sportsmanship.”
take the stick out of your rear and get some perspective.
I got disqualified for something similar my second ever high school meet. I raised the baton and sort of did a fist bump after I ran someone down. The difference is that I had coaches who disciplined me and I learned my lesson. It never happened again.
And this athlete did two stupid things the same day, because we now live in a society where if a kid does something stupid, half the time the coach and parents will take the side of the kid.
I guess I grew up in an area where people were taught respect and to follow the rules, because a lot of this discussion just baffles me as if you guys are speaking a different language.
There’s not even a discussion, in my mind, that multiple rules (likely two) were violated. The athlete was taunting and showboating. Pretending otherwise is a non-starter and is not supported by the clear video evidence.
The discussion should be about whether a DQ is an appropriate punishment. I think most of us agree it is not. But the answer also shouldn’t be that we throw all of our long-held traditions of basic sportsmanship out the window because we don’t like how the rule was enforced on this one occasion.
There wasn’t showboating. There was no taunting at all. This was the mildest celebration possible and it was more than consistent with “long-held traditions of basic sportsmanship.”
take the stick out of your rear and get some perspective.
Barking and yelling after you win a race, and then raising your hand as if you’re holding up a mirror (or if it’s even the five titles thing) is absolutely textbook taunting and showboating. It really isn’t that hard to cross the line, hand the baton to the official, respect your opponents, and then celebrate with your team. It really isn’t. It requires you to do… nothing! That’s how easy it is.
You’re half right. The issue is the level of punishment. The issue is NOT whether the rule is violated. That is already clear by the video. The rules were violated.
You can say this as often as you'd like. You'd be wrong as often as you say it.
Well, the only opinion that *actually* makes a difference called it a violation, when the person who made the call was presumably in the best position and with the most information to determine that a violation occurred.
So, there’s that. Again, I don’t agree with the level of punishment. But it’s sort of hard to argue he was 100% in the right when the video shows otherwise.
There wasn’t showboating. There was no taunting at all. This was the mildest celebration possible and it was more than consistent with “long-held traditions of basic sportsmanship.”
take the stick out of your rear and get some perspective.
Barking and yelling after you win a race, and then raising your hand as if you’re holding up a mirror (or if it’s even the five titles thing) is absolutely textbook taunting and showboating. It really isn’t that hard to cross the line, hand the baton to the official, respect your opponents, and then celebrate with your team. It really isn’t. It requires you to do… nothing! That’s how easy it is.
proving yet again that the older generations are the biggest snowflakes that have ever existed.
You can say this as often as you'd like. You'd be wrong as often as you say it.
Well, the only opinion that *actually* makes a difference called it a violation, when the person who made the call was presumably in the best position and with the most information to determine that a violation occurred.
So, there’s that. Again, I don’t agree with the level of punishment. But it’s sort of hard to argue he was 100% in the right when the video shows otherwise.
Yes and it was such a lame call that I even saw it posted on LinkedIn of all places. And I’m a nearly 50 year old man.