Official Minnesota ICE shooting thread

Hmm...well then let's hope that the compromised investigation by a federal agency that's blocking MN agencies from investigating a shooting on their turf involving a federal officer isn't biased in any way so that we have an objective opinion to go off of!

Imagine thinking this warrants a shooting. Seriously.

Some of you guys remind me of the maga baseketball coach we had at my Illinois Catholic school. Genuinely the most embarrassing person I've ever met in my life. Completely unaware at how his insecurity is beamed to everyone 247.

I can't believe some of you people are coaching high schoolers. Thank God I left my religious high school after and actually read some books in college to prevent me from ending up like some of you

Imagine thinking you are this out of touch with reality that you are allowed to hit a LEO with your car.

Interesting. If she intended to hit him, why didn't she? How hard would it have been, given that he was standing 3 feet in front of her car? Why, after death, did her car not proceed in the direction of the shooter if she'd been aiming at him?

All well and good - does the middle not exist? Seems in reality that there are more independents these days who don't want to be affiliated with either side as they are BOTH extremes. As on this site the loudest (most proliferous anyway) (BadC, Armyl) seem to predominate. Personally, anyone who posts as often as some seem to, must either be bots or not right in the head. But America has become (again this site underscores it) a country of extremes on either side (frankly both are corrupt for different reasons) - but the average educated person doesn't subscribe to either - they are just labels (left or right), that obscure the reality of what normal people believe.

This is a regarded take.

The "left" is not extreme. How about actually learning what that means instead of what Fox news tells you? Do you believe that 9/11 happened because "ragheads" were "jealous" of our "freedom"?.

One side believe if you disobey an officer (mind you this wasn't even an officer), the State can execute you with no due process. If you disobey the government, you deserve to get eliminated instantly, as a citizen.

The other side says that's not right and doesn't want to live in a Police state.

What is the confusion?

You old no kings boomers just don’t get it. You’re not cool. Nobody wants anything to do with you. Look at big tech. Elon, Jeff Bezos can’t stand leftists because of AOC . Zuckerberg is now a UFC fan. Jensen is good friends with Trump. Even Gates has admitted Climate Change is a scam.

Your life has been a failure, but don’t worry. We all spend eternity the same way.

Straw man. I've never heard anyone say that they believe what you posted. You do yourself no favors with that kind of rhetoric.

Maybe the ICE agent shouldn’t have told her to move?

UFC is the most lower middle class sport in existence. Stop telling on yourself

Bro this billionaire like WWE!!! Ok….?

It’s funny if the roles were reversed we wouldn’t be surprised that an ICE agent missed a target from 2 feet away.

You're saying I'm giving a "Strawman" argument when I say the conservative position taken here is "If you disobey the Government, they have the right to execute you with no due process". The context being driving away at 1 mph after being unlawfully approached by a masked unidentified man with a gun with a temper, as a white Mother (white being important here because it removes the racism argument that conservatives believe makes it justified). Oh btw, ICE isn't allowed to detain any in this situation, let alone enforce anything. Also, we have eyes and videos, so spare me the "ram" argument.

That being said, what does the following meant then?

>"FAFO"

>She got what she deserved.

>She should have complied.

These are statements that imply no obeying the Government means you can get executed without a trial.

Perhaps if some of you went to Law School (oops, I forgot, most of you are high school coaches for a reason), this would be black and white.

I'm tired of bending over listening to the opinions of people with the mind of a 12 year old. The adults are talking now. These are serious things that actually matter.

This explains so much....you're so behind and unaware you don't even understand how embarrassing it is to look up to those guys...

This explains a lot. These distinguished Americans, whatever else they've done, are enormous hypocrites when it comes to their politics. And you're a fan of them, and think they're "cool". (And didn't recently converted climate change skeptic Bill Gates spend a fair bit of quality time with Jeffry Epstein not so long ago?). Like a few of Trump's actual cabinet members, and his vice president, these guys wanted nothing to do with Trump as recently as 2 years ago. And you think they're a examples of political reality and integrity?

P.S. Before you say it, I don't deny that plenty of Democrats are also hypocritical, unprincipled hacks. This is not-- or should not be-- a matter of partisan point-scoring.

Why are we arguing with a guy who listens to Bro-podcasts hahahahahaa

Why are we still arguing? There is irrefutable video evidence this was a justifiable shooting. There are no two sides to this anymore.

That is a misrepresentation. I believe they are saying that there are instances where law enforcement officers are allowed to use deadly force, without a formal trial. Whether or not this is one of those instances remains to be seen, as there is a lot of disinformation being spread by those intending to win for "their side."

....watch the videos and learn about the context of the situation and the events that unfolded.

What do you mean "remain to be seen?". You centrists are worse than MAGA sometimes. You let people steamroll over you because you're too weak to become informed and take a stand about something for once in your life

To me, this is a really unfortunate incident. I can't say whether the shooting was justified or not. Analyzing things in slow motion or fixed frames does not reflect what was going on. The lady put herself in a bad place by obstructing ICE (we hear), ignoring their orders to get out of the car and then accelerating to leave. She may have not even know the officer was in her path if she was focused on those who approached from her left and were giving the order to get out of the car. So another mistake on her part. How anyone would react if a car suddenly moves at you from several feet away is an unknown. The officer had maybe a second to react. Unfortunately, if enough people unlawfully hinder/obstruct LE at some point something like this is going to happen. And that is why it would be better for all if local LE would do crowd control while ICE does their thing. But they refuse to so things get out of control and people make mistakes - this lady and maybe the LE officer. And in this case, someone got killed. But labelling ICE as terrorists or murders only increases the chances that a situation like this will develop again.