WTF THIS IS NOT OK - ONLY 5 AMERICANS IN NCAA TOP 30

what was with all the course cutting too by the africans. They should be dq'd...think they can just act like they don't know and get away with it. You'd get dq'd at a state hs meet instantly

Totally looser talk. I agree with the idea of age restrictions, more frequent / organized drug testing, and have academic standards for participation in NCAA sports. I do not think having athletes from other countries is a real problem. It’s been this way in our sport in particular for decades and, in my opinion, is a net positive.

If you don’t like loosing, train smarter / harder, stop whining, or quit. But I do agree that none of this has any relevance in regards to the popularity and marketability of distance running. The idea that it does is nonsense.

The racism here is really something to behold.

More and more of the childish insults.

Again, great for getting likes on here, but probably won't help you much when convincing other people your position is best from the country.

Maybe try explaining to the average American family how it makes their lives better to give tax funded athletic scholarships to 30 year old men from Africa instead of their kids, without the condescending mockery? Something tells me you are completely incapable of doing that, because there is no good argument and you know it.

There is no death for something that never lived.

How many people watched pickleball in the 90s?

Very few.

Dave Smith is one of the worst things for the sport

Nobody is going to watch xc. While it's a popular sport in high school and does ok in college. The American people have spoken. They want to watch Football, Basketball, Hockey, and some Golf. Look at the running boom in the US and people do like participating in road racing like the marathon but no one is gonna watch some fartsy guys on manicured golf course or farm run a 10k. Hell we have a hard time getting our own professional runners to go run xc and you think the public is gonna wanna watch it..

You guys have an over inflated ego of yourselves.

Banning Kenyans is just going to isolate the sport more and eventually cut the sport from colleges as it brings in no money.

So y'all slow white American males are upset that you can't win? Oh the horror lol. Good thing the foreign born runners showed up to make it more exciting. Just do a whites only race and let's see how that turns out. 10s of people will come out to watch I'm sure.

What is the rationale for universities recruiting international athletes please? This is not done for the professions (non-athletics) I am familiar with. It seems detrimental to college athletics.

I pretty much agree with everything you write except your last sentence... which is just nonsensical because nobody watches xc so nobody cares who is running.

I ask once again very simply: Explain to an average middle class family in Iowa or Oklahoma how giving tax payer funded athetic scholarships to 30 year Africans at the expense of their own children improves their lives, and why they should support more of it?

You can't. That is why you and your buddies here keep resorting to these juvenile rage-baits of "haha keep crying loser" instead of an coherent actual argument.

This is why Trump won. Come voting time, my message of "I want Americans to keep their opportunities" resonates better with average people than "haha keep crying whitey sucks to suck"

So keep it up, you are only making more people tired of you and motivated to vote against this nonsense.

You are wrong. The biggest base of people to view the NCAA championships are people that ran in the NCAA themselves as well as high school athletes. When you factor in 50+ years of NCAA athletes and high school athletes, that number is in the tens of millions.

Currently there are less college running opportunities than ever in America because of the NCAA roster limits.

Additionally, a much larger % of those roster spots (and scholarships) are going to international athletes.

High schoolers are becoming disillusioned with being a fan of collegiate track because their chances of running in college are rapidly approaching zero. Old timers don't care about Africans whose names they can't even pronounce.

We are rapidly shrinking the current and future viewing base. We are shooting ourselves in the foot.

I think you summed up our take on your pathetic, crybaby ass loser retard opinion well, for what it's worth.

Haha, keep crying loser! Haha, keep crying whitey, sucks to suck!

It's kind of breathtaking how dumb this argument is.

So, by your own criteria, the only motivating factor for an average middle class family in Oklahoma to support athletic scholarships is if it improves their lives, or implicitly, the lives of their children?

OK, great, so then what, like 99.99% of votes in Oklahoma now should vote to ban all scholarships because only 0.01% of families have a child in a position to receive one?

Please go explain to the average voter, since you're so in touch with their feelings and the steady thrum of logic that no doubt coarses through their veins how their lives are improved by giving *any* scholarships. How does giving a running scholarship to some random white kid who isn't theirs -- who is also five seconds slower over the mile than a faster runner elsewhere -- benefit them in any way? As you said, it's just more taxes, right?

Moreover, now that you mention it, my apartment didn't burn down this year. Complete garbage if you ask me that I have to pay taxes for the fire department, I didn't even need them!

Huh? And you were doing so well until that last sentence.

My point was simply comparing the status quo we used to have (most if not all scholarships going to Americans) vs the current system of giving them to 30 year olds from a country with more current doping violations than Russia and China put together. You are introducing this third hypothetical option of no scholarships at all to avoid answering the question.

I simply don't see how you could possibly convince regular Americans to support that second option. Yes, they may not get the scholarship themselves, but many people would be happy to see a kid from their kids school or their hometown get it. We are nation after all, not just a bunch of individuals.

Do you think football fans would tolerate this type of nonsense for even one season? Be honest with yourself, you know the answer is obviously no. There would be a national up roar and the NCAA would have already been sued 10 times. The only reason this is even still happening in our sport is that the public don't really care about it.

I don't know how old you are but take it from me as a 60 YO: Nobody has EVER watched cross-country in the United States. I love it but it's very niche. And until streaming, it was never even available to watch.

I do agree age limits might be appropriate. I would think something like 25. And I don't buy this Kenyan thing of "We don't know the year." I've been hearing that all my life. Might have been true once but today even in the remotest places people have cell phones and know very well the date when someone is born. Though registering a birth might still be unreliable.