Even if you have no Internationals, it would still be teams with best American recruits that win.
This idea of developing average hs runners into winning ncaa teams is a fallacy.
Recruit the best athletes you can Develop the athletes that you recruit as best you can Peak at the right time
These are all the job of a coach. Like you, I don't buy this argument other make that there's nobility in only recruiting 11 minute 2 milers. It's failing at a critical part of the job.
foreigners cost more yes but if you meet the price first you are pretty much going to get them. Compared to the equivalent american recruit that will almost assuredly not want to spend their next 4 years in Albuquerque or Stillwater when they have other options
They usually cost less. Most school have separate funding for foreign students and they don’t need full athletic scholarship
You're assuming the worst of folks instead of being curious about their position.
I can get behind capping international scholarships to 20%, but making scholarships American only seems short-sighted to me. Frankly, I want the best talent in the world to come here and become American. We can do that and support native-born Americans at the same time.
Meb, Lagat, Lomong. None were US citizens when they enrolled in college. Edward Cheserek was actively pursuing his citizenship when he started college. These athletes did/would have represented America well, and it's undeniable that they pushed other Americans to perform better.
If we expanded this "American only" mentality across the board it would damage our ability to be the most powerful country in the world. Google "inventions by US immigrants" and you'll see that America wouldn't be nearly successful as it is if we didn't open the door to the best and brightest around the world.
What about Josh Kerr who the American collegiate system helped to DEFEAT Americans? Or Geordie Beamish who the American collegiate system helped him to DEFEAT Americans?
We shouldn't be allowing international people to be competing for NATIONAL championships in our country.
Top American collegiate talents will be just fine competing against other American 18-22 year olds then getting to sharpen their teeth against pros after they graduate. They can even go to pro meets in college if they'd like.
I’ve spoken with the worlds foremost Olympic historian David Wallechinsky, and he’s concluded after covering every Olympics since 1984 at the athletes themselves aren’t as patriotic as you think and they would jump flags in a heartbeat. And honestly, I was happy for Ishmael more than I would’ve been for a random Kenyan at least he was a product of the NCAA system and I can say, I saw him running at the national championship
You would have been happier for NICO YOUNG if he placed 4th instead of 5th. If it were 1 spot further ahead, it would have meant the NCAA system helped a Kenyan outkick Nico for a medal.
Kipkirui IS a random Kenyan, he showed up in America in January of 2025.
He didn't need the USA collegiate system, he won the World U20 XC race in 2023. He was here for one semester then went pro.
I have heard some schools are so committed to internationals that they even have foreign coaches!?!?!
Sullivan at Michigan! Should he get an opportunity to coach in the US?!
Mic at Wisconsin is OLD AND FROM IRELAND! What’s the deal, age limits and did not attend a US high school.
Evan a Kenyan gold medal winning coach at Texas A&M!
Pete at BC! The New Mexico coach, isn’t from New Mexico!
Are we developing enough American coaches? Should we limit the coaches from different countries. Our young coaches can’t compete with these international coaches that are really good at their jobs!
Some of you don't seem to understand economics. These coaches hsve all had the same number of scholarships to work with. And equivalent f9reigners typically cost more than Americans.
Not true at all if we are talking about XC. Some schools use all of their scholarships on distance/XC many do not.
I am not here to say one way is better than the other. I am simply pointing out that it's not an even playing field to start with.
foreigners cost more yes but if you meet the price first you are pretty much going to get them. Compared to the equivalent american recruit that will almost assuredly not want to spend their next 4 years in Albuquerque or Stillwater when they have other options
They usually cost less. Most school have separate funding for foreign students and they don’t need full athletic scholarship
I don't know if most schools do but some certainly do (see UNM).
They usually cost less. Most school have separate funding for foreign students and they don’t need full athletic scholarship
This is fact,
Please explain this.
Most US colleges do not even offer regular need based financial aid to foreigners. This makes foreign students a great revenue source for colleges as these kids pay full fare out of State cost.
The schools that do offer aid to foreigners are at the high end - Ivies, Williams, Mt Holyoke.
Cost to a school to bring in an International is full athletic scholarship, annual round trip home, plus recruiter's fee if they use one.
Some Internationals are also happy to come to US and pay full price, like their non athlete brethren. Examples are the Ivy League Internationals.
So please give a specific example of the separate fund for foreign students.
Yes but that is not the topic. Some teams go heavier in sprints. Some go heavier in distance. But getting foreigners isnot easier than going with Anericans.
Some of you don't seem to understand economics. These coaches hsve all had the same number of scholarships to work with. And equivalent f9reigners typically cost more than Americans.
Yes but that is not the topic. Some teams go heavier in sprints. Some go heavier in distance. But getting foreigners isnot easier than going with Anericans.
I was correcting the poster who said everyone has he same number of scholarships... that is untrue. That is all.
I hate how people pretend that the NCAA is just turning into a competition for overage Africans who haven't made it big yet. It's also where athletes can go and compete well serving out a doping ban.
btw... it seems more and more if you are a D1 program and you want to compete in XC you pretty much have to recruit internationals... that's kind of a shame but unless you are a stanford, oregon, washington, nc state, type school you aren't getting the top american high schoolers and you aren't allowed the numbers needed to develop the diamond in the rough types so there is really no way to compete on the big stage without internationals...
I know it's not just Kenyans but there was NEVER the carrying on about this before there were Kenyans. Villanova ,Providence, and East Tennessee were always loaded with Irishmen as well as the occasional Brit or Kiwi as was Arkansas later on. No one complained that Nick Rose and company were ruining NCAA cross country when they were at Western Kentucky. I looked at LaSalle's roster. Ten of the fourteen runners are foreign, all western countries, and I don't see any complaints.
This all seems to me whiny and maybe a bit racist that we've decided it's a problem when the international athletes are Kenyans. And personally I think it makes the sport better because our kids get better competition. UTEP was pretty much all Kenyans for many years. Ed Eyestone once said something like he was prepared for any field he raced against in his prime because the competition was never any tougher than he faced in BYU's dual meets with UTEP.
People have been complaining about it for a while, but the situation is getting 100x worse.
For one thing, we've just had numerous high profile Kenyans in the NCAA test positive for performance enhancing drugs.
And as mentioned previously, the scholarship limit is increasing. Oregon is not going to us their additional scholarship money to a 4:19 miler. They are going to find a 1:42 Kenyan 800m runner like the kid who tripped at NCAAs.
Schools aren't saying "great we can bring in 20 more Americans for 25%" they are instead going to bring in 5 internationals on full scholarships.
As I said in the previous post, I actually think it's a good thing. US runners who wouldn't once have gotten much chance at international competition will get a bit of it. It should make them better runners.
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