medals won by non-altitude runners: 800m: 2 1500m: 2 steeple: 1 5000m: 1 10000m: 1 Marathon: 2
So you haven't read what I said. Go back to sleep.
I have.
1 or 2 medals in any men's distance running event in Mexico '68 show that you were wrong (as usual) while stating that non-altitude runners didn't had a chance in those games.
Ryun clearly wasn't in his 66/67 shape. Finished just 1.19 seconds ahead of Tümmler, who he had beaten by 4.1 seconds a year before in Düsseldorf with his unique 36.5 300m finish.
In 66/67 Ryun in the 1500m/Mile was clearly stronger than Keino, in 68, Keino was stronger and for sure fully deserves the gold.
Jim was my hero growing up. HE had two amazing years, '66-'67. Then he ran well to get a silver; the altitude of course hampered him, but I'd argue he was not at the same level he'd been the previous two years. HE'd had mononucleosis prior to the Olympics. Could the '67 Ryun have beaten the '68 Keino at 7000+ altitude. YES.
Not sure he's the greatest ever.
Good post. Sums it all up. But a sea-level born and bred and trained athlete with minimal time at high elevation is going to lose to the altitude born and trained runner, all else equal, AT altitude every time. And, yes, mono is very debilitating if you try to run through it or don’t recover properly.
Ryun was not the greatest ever. But he was one of the greats. He would’ve been in medal contention in 2024. Modern tracks and shoes and erythropoietin and who knows how fast the guy runs… (very likely 3:25/3:43).
Just astonishing that you often fail to understand such easy points.
You're the one who doesn't understand the easy points. Qualifying rounds don't count in the won-loss column. If they did then Ryun was 1-1 against Keino at Mexico City. Hes still something like 42-1 against him overall.
Just astonishing that you often fail to understand such easy points.
You're the one who doesn't understand the easy points. Qualifying rounds don't count in the won-loss column. If they did then Ryun was 1-1 against Keino at Mexico City. Hes still something like 42-1 against him overall.
You're the one who doesn't understand the easy points. Qualifying rounds don't count in the won-loss column. If they did then Ryun was 1-1 against Keino at Mexico City. Hes still something like 42-1 against him overall.
He still didn't understand.
42-1? Laughable.
Yes, he did. Ryun “beat” Keino in one of the 1968 qualifying rounds before the finals. Does that count as a win for Ryun? Moreover, Ryun got tripped in 1972 and fell too far behind to get back in the qualifying round. Does Keino get a win there?
Malmo is right, it was a stupid point by Jackman Jones. Qualifying rounds aren’t “races” per se. Keino didn’t *beat* Ryun there just as Ryun didn’t beat Keino in 1968 in the penultimate race. Geez, get a grip.
Yes, he did. Ryun “beat” Keino in one of the 1968 qualifying rounds before the finals. Does that count as a win for Ryun? Moreover, Ryun got tripped in 1972 and fell too far behind to get back in the qualifying round.
"got" tripped, no. Tripped, through lack of racing technique.
Yes, he did. Ryun “beat” Keino in one of the 1968 qualifying rounds before the finals. Does that count as a win for Ryun? Moreover, Ryun got tripped in 1972 and fell too far behind to get back in the qualifying round.
"got" tripped, no. Tripped, through lack of racing technique.
He got clipped. Doesn’t matter, no normal, logical person thinks Ryun *beat* Keino in the 1968 qualifying round or *lost* to him in a 1972 qualifier. Keino was smart to *lose* to Ryun in the 1968 Q. Lol.
Yes, he did. Ryun “beat” Keino in one of the 1968 qualifying rounds before the finals. Does that count as a win for Ryun? Moreover, Ryun got tripped in 1972 and fell too far behind to get back in the qualifying round. Does Keino get a win there?
Malmo is right, it was a stupid point by Jackman Jones. Qualifying rounds aren’t “races” per se. Keino didn’t *beat* Ryun there just as Ryun didn’t beat Keino in 1968 in the penultimate race. Geez, get a grip.
No, he didn't.
He replied to a post which asked about the situation when one runner went out in an qualifying heat and another not (in the same race). Can you count this as a win for the qualifier against the other?
Then malmo comes up with a Mexico heat where both Keino and Ryun qualified. Malmo often acts arrogant and can't admit when being wrong.
Yes, he did. Ryun “beat” Keino in one of the 1968 qualifying rounds before the finals. Does that count as a win for Ryun? Moreover, Ryun got tripped in 1972 and fell too far behind to get back in the qualifying round. Does Keino get a win there?
Malmo is right, it was a stupid point by Jackman Jones. Qualifying rounds aren’t “races” per se. Keino didn’t *beat* Ryun there just as Ryun didn’t beat Keino in 1968 in the penultimate race. Geez, get a grip.
No, he didn't.
He replied to a post which asked about the situation when one runner went out in an qualifying heat and another not (in the same race). Can you count this as a win for the qualifier against the other?
Then malmo comes up with a Mexico heat where both Keino and Ryun qualified. Malmo often acts arrogant and can't admit when being wrong.
No, because it’s a qualifying heat. Place doesn’t matter. Sh!t happens, like getting knocked out but not a bona fide “full effort” in any event like an Olympic final. Malmo was simply pointing out that Keino’s qualifying “victory” over Ryun carries no more weight than Ryun’s “qualifying” victory over Keino, and he’s right. Nobody in their right mind would say Ryun *won* over Keino in the 1968 qualifying heat. Because that would be dumb.