You didn't understand. People claimed that she could break 2. Some of us said she is only capable of 2:03. That means 2:03 is the best that she can run right now. It isn't a prediction. It is a maximum.
You didn't understand. People claimed that she could break 2. Some of us said she is only capable of 2:03. That means 2:03 is the best that she can run right now. It isn't a prediction. It is a maximum.
But it’s not a maximum. She only ran 2:05.9. That’s not even close to 2:03, so why would say she could run 2:03 right now at her best? Was there something about today that prevented her from running anywhere close to what you say is her best? Breaking 2:00 is complete lunacy.
Been going to the BYU High School Invitational track meet for decades. Competed myself as sprinter in the 80’s, my son competed there in 2017-2018, and my daughter (big Katelyn Touhy and Jane Hedengren fan as former XC runner), whose voice you can clearly hear in the video, competed there in 2019-2020. 15min drive for me to BYU.
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You didn't understand. People claimed that she could break 2. Some of us said she is only capable of 2:03. That means 2:03 is the best that she can run right now. It isn't a prediction. It is a maximum.
But it’s not a maximum. She only ran 2:05.9. That’s not even close to 2:03, so why would say she could run 2:03 right now at her best? Was there something about today that prevented her from running anywhere close to what you say is her best? Breaking 2:00 is complete lunacy.
No, 2:06 on May 2 is not a chasm from 2:03. Just last year I had a guy go from 2:00 pb to 1:55 in the sectional, State, national 3 week span.
She still has plenty of time to run 2:02-03 in June if she is in the right race. Even if that's it, 2:06 is pretty good. Many girl distance types can't break 2:10. In a weak year, 2:06 can even win at hs nats.
But it’s not a maximum. She only ran 2:05.9. That’s not even close to 2:03, so why would say she could run 2:03 right now at her best? Was there something about today that prevented her from running anywhere close to what you say is her best? Breaking 2:00 is complete lunacy.
No, 2:06 on May 2 is not a chasm from 2:03. Just last year I had a guy go from 2:00 pb to 1:55 in the sectional, State, national 3 week span.
She still has plenty of time to run 2:02-03 in June if she is in the right race. Even if that's it, 2:06 is pretty good. Many girl distance types can't break 2:10. In a weak year, 2:06 can even win at hs nats.
You don’t believe that her 14:57 is an indication that she’s at the absolute top of her game? To get down to 2:02-03, she would need to improve to somewhere around 14:45.
Your guy did not win NXN or set national records for 2-mile and 5000m. In no way is he a comp for Hedengren.
You didn't understand. People claimed that she could break 2. Some of us said she is only capable of 2:03. That means 2:03 is the best that she can run right now. It isn't a prediction. It is a maximum.
But it’s not a maximum. She only ran 2:05.9. That’s not even close to 2:03, so why would say she could run 2:03 right now at her best? Was there something about today that prevented her from running anywhere close to what you say is her best? Breaking 2:00 is complete lunacy.
For info, this altitude race conversion calculator 👇 converts a 2:06 800M time at 4600ft to 2:04.38 at sea level.
You don’t believe that her 14:57 is an indication that she’s at the absolute top of her game? To get down to 2:02-03, she would need to improve to somewhere around 14:45.
Your guy did not win NXN or set national records for 2-mile and 5000m. In no way is he a comp for Hedengren.
He's a comp for a distance runner doing the 800. Hedengren hardly runs the 800, even in this race she won pretty easily at altitude. 14:57 could be her lifetime pr at 5000 and it would not have anything to do with her next 800m time.
Runners don't always run their best in every race. Gary Martin went 4:10 4:03 4:10 4:10 3:57 to break 4 in hs. Everything from weather to sleep to recent workouts and competitors factor into how you run on any given day.
You don’t believe that her 14:57 is an indication that she’s at the absolute top of her game? To get down to 2:02-03, she would need to improve to somewhere around 14:45.
Your guy did not win NXN or set national records for 2-mile and 5000m. In no way is he a comp for Hedengren.
He's a comp for a distance runner doing the 800. Hedengren hardly runs the 800, even in this race she won pretty easily at altitude. 14:57 could be her lifetime pr at 5000 and it would not have anything to do with her next 800m time.
Runners don't always run their best in every race. Gary Martin went 4:10 4:03 4:10 4:10 3:57 to break 4 in hs. Everything from weather to sleep to recent workouts and competitors factor into how you run on any given day.
I guess we see what we want see, but it looked to me as if she straining every step of the way. She is not a middle distance runner.
If your guy was a 5000m runner why was running all those 800m at the end of the season? Martin did not run a national record in the 5000m before he started his mile progression.
This is a good solo performance for her. 61/64, essentially (2:04.96), out in the lead the whole time. This does show that she has much more endurance than speed for a 4:26 athlete to run 2:05. You would figure that with a pacer or better competition, she'd knock at least a second or two off this. You'd also figure that she would not run her absolute best 800 of the year shortly after running a huge pr at the 5000m. She would need to do more speed work to maximize at 800 this year. The training is not that similar. Also, the 5000m tells you that she can run faster with competition. She dropped from 15:13 to 14:57 in part by having a pacer for 2600 and then people to chase in the last 800 after the collegians finally stopped drafting off of her. So, between the training and the lack of faster comp, she could still run 2:02 this year.
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I guess we see what we want see, but it looked to me as if she straining every step of the way. She is not a middle distance runner.
If your guy was a 5000m runner why was running all those 800m at the end of the season? Martin did not run a national record in the 5000m before he started his mile progression.
No one ever said she is a mid distance runner, I personally was shocked when she ran 4:26. I'm just curious what her 800pb for hs will end up. Don't even know if we will see another attempt.
When Touhy was 4:33/15:37/2:08 she was not a mid distance runner either, but accidentally had us#1hs mile time.
Martin has of course turned out to just be a 'runner', with 1:48/3:48/13:16 wheels plus top 10xc. Ironically, GM in theory also has no closing speed, but he is still able to mix it up, and pull out occasional unlikely speed win.
We tend to want to pigeonhole people as a specialist, when many are happy to race at a variety of distances.
Hedengren just appears likely to post an absurd 800/10000 range number, when she eventually gets that chance. Meanwhile 2:06/4:26/14:57 pretty good range for 1 spring track season on May2.
I guess we see what we want see, but it looked to me as if she straining every step of the way. She is not a middle distance runner.
If your guy was a 5000m runner why was running all those 800m at the end of the season? Martin did not run a national record in the 5000m before he started his mile progression.
No one ever said she is a mid distance runner, I personally was shocked when she ran 4:26. I'm just curious what her 800pb for hs will end up. Don't even know if we will see another attempt.
When Touhy was 4:33/15:37/2:08 she was not a mid distance runner either, but accidentally had us#1hs mile time.
Martin has of course turned out to just be a 'runner', with 1:48/3:48/13:16 wheels plus top 10xc. Ironically, GM in theory also has no closing speed, but he is still able to mix it up, and pull out occasional unlikely speed win.
We tend to want to pigeonhole people as a specialist, when many are happy to race at a variety of distances.
Hedengren just appears likely to post an absurd 800/10000 range number, when she eventually gets that chance. Meanwhile 2:06/4:26/14:57 pretty good range for 1 spring track season on May2.
I predicted 2:05.5. Unless she has sub 55 speed, I don't see her going sub 2:04.
My teammate (a guy) was an aerobic monster, great at XC and 3200m, good at 1600m, could not run the 800m to save his life. He ran 4:24/9:08/15:10 and could only run 2:06 (he had about 56.mid second PR in 400m). I see Hedengren as this type of runner. By the end of college he eventually ran 4:06 and 13:59. I don't think it's unreasonable that Jane H would have trouble breaking 2:05 if he couldn't.
Most high school girls who are scaring 2:00 are 400/800m types. There's a big difference between them and a true long distance runner like Jane.