There'll be a fanclub. They'll hail her, then after a few years, or weeks, they'll start calling her a disappointment and then they'll find another pair of panties to sniff.
There'll be a fanclub. They'll hail her, then after a few years, or weeks, they'll start calling her a disappointment and then they'll find another pair of panties to sniff.
Rinse and repeat
I disagree with your accusation that there is something ‘pedo’ about applauding the efforts of a talented athlete who just ran an incredible race. That’s silly, and frankly, misogynistic to indirectly imply that only males deserve that kind of acclaim.
That being said, you are right in that it is par for the course on this forum to celebrate an athlete then tear them down once there’s a hint of disappointment/injury/illness/plateau. We’ve seen it several times.
She’s a BYU commit…I’m probably going to start a fight with this but IMO the BYU squad (commits, athletes, pros) is least likely to be dirty. I said what I said.
"least likely to be dirty"?
Is anyone actually accusing or thinking the BYU squad is doping? If so, ya'll have your heads way up your A$!!!
Diljeet may be loud and sometimes inconsiderate (BU indoor mile), but she's a damn good coach and in NO WAY is part of providing, condoning, or encouraging PED's.
Let's not muddy the waters with stupid sh^t.
I don't think BYU is doping, or hardly anyone in NCAA distance running, but to act like it's any less likely than any other team is unfounded. why, because their school has more rules? Because it's religious? nah man, it's not different than anywhere else. honestly, they are probably more used to breaking rules because they have so many more to follow. god has been used to justify a lot of things through the ages. again, im not casting suspicion at all, but to act like BYU is somehow special and above cheating is boloney. see the mantz-young race allegedly thrown for the extra prize money https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=12507985
How many kids do a 5000 on the track during their HS season?
Historically not many. But recently that has started to change. More high school runners have been running a track 5k the past 2 or 3 years.
Yep, since about 2000, there has been a track 5000 at the New Balance indoor nationals. Definitely not a common event, but most of the recent phenoms have given at least 1 shot at the distance.
Bri Jackuszevic held the 5000 record for a while. Then Emily Sisson...and eventually Tuohy at 15:37.
Since then Hutchins(outdoor), Cook (o), Leachman (o) and now Blade/Hedengren.
Agreed. I think both could be sub-15:10 in the right field.
Jane Hedengren said she is planning to run an outdoor 5k next month at Bryan Clay. I would not be surprised to see her go sub 15:10 there, maybe even as low as 15:05.
This is one of those rare instances where Hedengren could conceivably get a very tempting pro offer and potentially eschew the NCAA a la Kessler and Hunter. She can probably get a good NIL deal if she wants to go to college and compete there, but it’ll be interesting to see if any sort of contract rumblings start to make their way around in a few months.
Jane Hedengren said she is planning to run an outdoor 5k next month at Bryan Clay. I would not be surprised to see her go sub 15:10 there, maybe even as low as 15:05.
This is one of those rare instances where Hedengren could conceivably get a very tempting pro offer and potentially eschew the NCAA a la Kessler and Hunter. She can probably get a good NIL deal if she wants to go to college and compete there, but it’ll be interesting to see if any sort of contract rumblings start to make their way around in a few months.
You raise a very very good point. An exceptional talent like this, just as with Hobbs Kessler as an example, could probably command a much higher contract amount than any NIL contract.
Because of the risks associated with devastating injuries, opportunities presented need to be weighed out carefully. Blade may face such opportunities, as well.
I'm not surprised by Jane's performance after x country I started she could run sub 15:15 indoors and possibly 15:05; however, I'm totally surprised about 2nd place. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING young ladies...I'm not even going to put a limit on their outdoor performances now. WoW😳
I'm not surprised by Jane's performance after x country I started she could run sub 15:15 indoors and possibly 15:05; however, I'm totally surprised about 2nd place. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING young ladies...I'm not even going to put a limit on their outdoor performances now. WoW😳
To emphasize how fast Hedengren and Bade were running in their 5k, their 3200 splits were 9:49/9:50. Addy Ritzenhein just won the Nike 2 mile in 10:00.
Hedengren and Blade are on a whole different level right now.
After seeing her run cross nationals I said back then that she will be the GOAT of women's distance running and it won't even be close!
GOAT? Her challenge in being even the high school GOAT is that her span of 'dominance' is only 1 year vs 3-4 for other GOAT candidates. Decker, Baxter, Lane, Fairchild, Hasay etc.
She also shares limelight now with Blade, Ritz, Leachman and Engelhardt.
Best comps are Hutchins, Cook and Riggs, who also had spectacular seasons in Senior year across both xc and track. This group has all struggled so far in college.
After seeing her run cross nationals I said back then that she will be the GOAT of women's distance running and it won't even be close!
GOAT? Her challenge in being even the high school GOAT is that her span of 'dominance' is only 1 year vs 3-4 for other GOAT candidates. Decker, Baxter, Lane, Fairchild, Hasay etc.
She also shares limelight now with Blade, Ritz, Leachman and Engelhardt.
Best comps are Hutchins, Cook and Riggs, who also had spectacular seasons in Senior year across both xc and track. This group has all struggled so far in college.
But those in the business of actually assessing running talent and in the business of paying for it, the talent that can quickly blossom particularly in these critical developmental ages, talent that can have impact on the world stage within the current Olympic cycle, can spot big differences, in several factors, between all of the athletes you mention.
GOAT? Her challenge in being even the high school GOAT is that her span of 'dominance' is only 1 year vs 3-4 for other GOAT candidates. Decker, Baxter, Lane, Fairchild, Hasay etc.
She also shares limelight now with Blade, Ritz, Leachman and Engelhardt.
Best comps are Hutchins, Cook and Riggs, who also had spectacular seasons in Senior year across both xc and track. This group has all struggled so far in college.
But those in the business of actually assessing running talent and in the business of paying for it, the talent that can quickly blossom particularly in these critical developmental ages, talent that can have impact on the world stage within the current Olympic cycle, can spot big differences, in several factors, between all of the athletes you mention.
And therefore, “Hutchins, Cook and Riggs,” are NOT her “best comps”.
You are correct. Those runners will top out as 15 minute types. Add Tuohy to that list. Hedegren is poised for continued improvement.
I don’t mean to belittle others with their level of talent. I’m just saying I agree in seeing her comparable to the level of a Hobbs Kessler coming out of high school (but with regard to women’s distance, rather than men’s mid-distance. )
Does this mean she is a slam-dunk prospect? Of course not; none are (though Mu and Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone had demonstrated a talent level coming pretty close.) So it is not a crap-shoot either; there is a measured analysis.
Still, some may not turn out as good as hoped, getting a big contract out of high-school. But we are talking potentially three Olympic cycles at stake, for arguably the biggest women’s distance talent to come out of high school in a very long time. Outdoors will likely reveal more.
But those in the business of actually assessing running talent and in the business of paying for it, the talent that can quickly blossom particularly in these critical developmental ages, talent that can have impact on the world stage within the current Olympic cycle, can spot big differences, in several factors, between all of the athletes you mention.
This is what I always love. The famous professional spotters of talent. The same professionals, who signed both Drew Hunter and Hobbs Kessler to pro contracts. They only seem to find these "differences and factors" in hindsight after first just signing anyone fast.
Cook: signed by Coach Smith at OSU and Coach Wetmore at CU,
Hutchins: signed by Coach DJ Taylor at BYU,
Riggs: signed by Coach Clark at Stanford...
...all seemed to have missed the "differences and factors", but went ahead and invested their scholarships in these very fast high school runners.
So now we have a group of 5 very fast hs runners: Hedengren BYU , Blade FSU, Leachman ?, Ritzenhein NAU, Engelhardt NC St.
Based on your "pro spotters" and "differences and factors" rank the five based on their college/pro potential now instead of 5 years from now. Now, when I can still decide where to invest my scholarship/NIL or my pro contract, not years later after my money is already spent.
I'll take a shot; maybe I can become a pro spotter. 1-Engelhardt, 2-Ritzenhein, 3- Hedengren, 4- Blade, 5- Leachman.
Of those five you list, I think it’s likely Hedengren gets a serious offer out of high school; outdoors will likely reveal more.
king399 (or whatever his handle is) has made the case on this forum that Hobbs decision with the circumstances presented was pretty clear-cut…for someone doing this in the hopes of run professionally.
Of those five you list, I think it’s likely Hedengren gets a serious offer out of high school; outdoors will likely reveal more.
king399 (or whatever his handle is) has made the case on this forum that Hobbs decision with the circumstances presented was pretty clear-cut…for someone doing this in the hopes of run professionally.
I really don't have any pro vs college issues. The pro contracts now can have the sponsor pay for college on the side anyway, if athletes, parents and agent are smart. Also locking in an 8-10 year $million plus deal may not be NBA money, but it sure is enough to get off to a good start in life, if managed properly.
Hedengren could even still attend BYU, and just run in Taylor's pro group.
My issue is just that it is very difficult to identify up front, which young talent will pan out. The same agents, coaches and sponsors all make the same mistakes over and over in judging talent, so it appears to be a lot of luck.
Fans of particular star runners are always cocksure that their favorite is destined for greatness. Similarly, when someone like Purrier, Valby, Nuguse, Noe, or Hartman develops real well, their fans will say "oh, you could see it all along".
It's safer to hedge your bets a bit, and hope that the talent continues to develop at the college and pro level.
Of those five you list, I think it’s likely Hedengren gets a serious offer out of high school; outdoors will likely reveal more.
king399 (or whatever his handle is) has made the case on this forum that Hobbs decision with the circumstances presented was pretty clear-cut…for someone doing this in the hopes of run professionally.
Fans of particular star runners are always cocksure that their favorite is destined for greatness. Similarly, when someone like Purrier, Valby, Nuguse, Noe, or Hartman develops real well, their fans will say "oh, you could see it all along".
It's safer to hedge your bets a bit, and hope that the talent continues to develop at the college and pro level.
Who are you referring to in hedging bets and waiting and hoping?
I’m not referring simply to the fan picking. This is a multibillion dollar entertainment business with the actors put under contracts that last years. And I take an interest in the mechanics of how an athlete covers ground