Just pointing out that 1000 pts in 2012 is equal to 3000 pts today (which is what the Dow is down by). Don't shoot the messenger, but there is no 3D Chess here and you clearly don't know how to calculate percentage moves yet try and call folks out. Lol.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
this is it wrote:
Imagine being dumb enough to think 1000 points in 2012 is the same as 1000 points in 2025...
The stupid people will run out of stocks soon and then the smart people will buy up all of the cheap stock and the market will rebound as it literally always has.
If you're freaking out over short term stock fluctuations you really shouldn't be involved with the market.
We are down 8% in the last month. Eight percent. That is huge. There's only one person to blame for that: The fat orange tariff man
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
this is it wrote:
The stupid people will run out of stocks soon and then the smart people will buy up all of the cheap stock and the market will rebound as it literally always has.
With what money?
To have cash available to buy MORE stocks that implies you had that cash on the sideline. What percent of your bankroll and for how long? Eg say it was 10% of your roll you kept in cash for the last 5 years waiting for a crash to invest. Let's you had $100 5y ago and say the market has doubled in the past 5y (which it has approx). You invested only $90 and today it was worth $180 while holding $10 in cash waiting for a crash. The the market drops 8% and you finally put that 10$ to use and the market rebounds immediately after you buy! You now have $180 + $10*(1.08) which is about $191. If however, you just invested the full amount $100 5y ago, you'd end up with $200 in the scenario.
So, it's not as simple as saying I wait for a crash and I buy. To do it, you imply you are out of the market with cash holdings which is always losing money.
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marketperson wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Imagine being dumb enough to think 1000 points in 2012 is the same as 1000 points in 2025...
The stupid people will run out of stocks soon and then the smart people will buy up all of the cheap stock and the market will rebound as it literally always has.
If you're freaking out over short term stock fluctuations you really shouldn't be involved with the market.
We are down 8% in the last month. Eight percent. That is huge. There's only one person to blame for that: The fat orange tariff man
We're down like 200 points since the election.
You should definitely liquidate your 401k....
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marketperson wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The stupid people will run out of stocks soon and then the smart people will buy up all of the cheap stock and the market will rebound as it literally always has.
With what money?
To have cash available to buy MORE stocks that implies you had that cash on the sideline. What percent of your bankroll and for how long? Eg say it was 10% of your roll you kept in cash for the last 5 years waiting for a crash to invest. Let's you had $100 5y ago and say the market has doubled in the past 5y (which it has approx). You invested only $90 and today it was worth $180 while holding $10 in cash waiting for a crash. The the market drops 8% and you finally put that 10$ to use and the market rebounds immediately after you buy! You now have $180 + $10*(1.08) which is about $191. If however, you just invested the full amount $100 5y ago, you'd end up with $200 in the scenario.
So, it's not as simple as saying I wait for a crash and I buy. To do it, you imply you are out of the market with cash holdings which is always losing money.
If you don't have liquid assets you are the last person in the world who should be looking at short term market fluctuations.
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marketperson wrote:
With what money?
To have cash available to buy MORE stocks that implies you had that cash on the sideline. What percent of your bankroll and for how long? Eg say it was 10% of your roll you kept in cash for the last 5 years waiting for a crash to invest. Let's you had $100 5y ago and say the market has doubled in the past 5y (which it has approx). You invested only $90 and today it was worth $180 while holding $10 in cash waiting for a crash. The the market drops 8% and you finally put that 10$ to use and the market rebounds immediately after you buy! You now have $180 + $10*(1.08) which is about $191. If however, you just invested the full amount $100 5y ago, you'd end up with $200 in the scenario.
So, it's not as simple as saying I wait for a crash and I buy. To do it, you imply you are out of the market with cash holdings which is always losing money.
I have about 25% on the sideline for this exact reason. It’s earning 4% while sitting as cash. I’ll be putting some of it to work. Maybe starting with about 1-2% before close today.
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marketperson wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Imagine being dumb enough to think 1000 points in 2012 is the same as 1000 points in 2025...
The stupid people will run out of stocks soon and then the smart people will buy up all of the cheap stock and the market will rebound as it literally always has.
If you're freaking out over short term stock fluctuations you really shouldn't be involved with the market.
We are down 8% in the last month. Eight percent. That is huge. There's only one person to blame for that: The fat orange tariff man
8% is not huge.
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when you elect a felonious autocrat with no respect for the law who is immune for official acts, give him the power of a king to do whatever stupid thing he wants, and one of those stupid things is to ally with Russia against Europe and the other is to start a trade war against our allies ...foreign nations will sell their shares in your country. The American golden goose is being strangled by m'ga.
"I used to think how weird it was that China killed 15 million people by killing all the sparrows because Mao had a random idea and everyone followed him
Now I realize this could literally happen any day if Trump woke up particularly stupid."This post was edited 3 minutes after it was posted.52 -
agip wrote:
when you elect a felonious autocrat with no respect for the law who is immune for official acts, give him the power of a king to do whatever stupid thing he wants, and one of those stupid things is to ally with Russia against Europe and the other is to start a trade war against all allies ...foreign nations will sell their shares in your country. The American golden goose is being strangled by m'ga.
"I used to think how weird it was that China killed 15 million people by killing all the sparrows because Mao had a random idea and everyone followed him
Now I realize this could literally happen any day if Trump woke up particularly stupid."You liar.
You never used to think.
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Not true at all wrote:
marketperson wrote:
We are down 8% in the last month. Eight percent. That is huge. There's only one person to blame for that: The fat orange tariff man
8% is not huge.
8% is huge when the problem is entirely self-inflicted and not an extraneous act.
The market is falling because of what the Republicans are doing, and the Republicans show no sign of stopping doing any of that.
Why own stocks in a nation with a death wish ruled by a mad king?
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
agip wrote:
when you elect a felonious autocrat with no respect for the law who is immune for official acts, give him the power of a king to do whatever stupid thing he wants, and one of those stupid things is to ally with Russia against Europe and the other is to start a trade war against all allies ...foreign nations will sell their shares in your country. The American golden goose is being strangled by m'ga.
"I used to think how weird it was that China killed 15 million people by killing all the sparrows because Mao had a random idea and everyone followed him
Now I realize this could literally happen any day if Trump woke up particularly stupid."You liar.
You never used to think.
fact free posting is for the stupid. You aren't stupid.
Give us a fact showing what I wrote is a lie.
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agip wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
You liar.
You never used to think.
fact free posting is for the stupid. You aren't stupid.
Give us a fact showing what I wrote is a lie.
You said you used to think.
You've never had an original thought in your life.
You lied.
It's also idiot to claim Trump is "allied with Russia" because he doesn't want to start World War 3 for Europeans who are too lazy and stupid to defend their own continent.
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Translation, Trump might be Hiltler but at least he hates non-whites as much as I do.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
agip wrote:
fact free posting is for the stupid. You aren't stupid.
Give us a fact showing what I wrote is a lie.
You said you used to think.
You've never had an original thought in your life.
You lied.
It's also idiot to claim Trump is "allied with Russia" because he doesn't want to start World War 3 for Europeans who are too lazy and stupid to defend their own continent.
cutting off arms and intel to Ukraine is siding with Russia.
this is no secret. We even voted with russia in the security council against Europe.
"The US has twice sided with Russia in votes at the United Nations to mark the third anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, highlighting the Trump administration's change of stance on the war."
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more fact free posting from 'adult'
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marketperson wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
QQQ is also greatly outperforming the NASDAQ 100.
You're just making stuff up. They have exactly the same returns.
AdultInTheRoom, still waiting for you to answer about your glaring stupidity....
You are wrong so often, you credibility is a joke.
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Every European investment committee is now staring at the screen wondering how fast they can liquidate their American positions before the next guy.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
marketperson wrote:
With what money?
To have cash available to buy MORE stocks that implies you had that cash on the sideline. What percent of your bankroll and for how long? Eg say it was 10% of your roll you kept in cash for the last 5 years waiting for a crash to invest. Let's you had $100 5y ago and say the market has doubled in the past 5y (which it has approx). You invested only $90 and today it was worth $180 while holding $10 in cash waiting for a crash. The the market drops 8% and you finally put that 10$ to use and the market rebounds immediately after you buy! You now have $180 + $10*(1.08) which is about $191. If however, you just invested the full amount $100 5y ago, you'd end up with $200 in the scenario.
So, it's not as simple as saying I wait for a crash and I buy. To do it, you imply you are out of the market with cash holdings which is always losing money.
If you don't have liquid assets you are the last person in the world who should be looking at short term market fluctuations.
I think you missed the point: To buy dips, you have to call the tops. It's easy to say with hindsight but to try to implement a strategy around this is a fool's errand. Ironically, your best argument is something you said earlier: "ignore short term vol". I agree with that when it comes to investing for retirement. But, I can't agree with somehow building a long-term strategy that allocates some non-trivial % to cash waiting to buy dips. That always loses long term if you backtest it.
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agip wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
You said you used to think.
You've never had an original thought in your life.
You lied.
It's also idiot to claim Trump is "allied with Russia" because he doesn't want to start World War 3 for Europeans who are too lazy and stupid to defend their own continent.
cutting off arms and intel to Ukraine is siding with Russia.
this is no secret. We even voted with russia in the security council against Europe.
"The US has twice sided with Russia in votes at the United Nations to mark the third anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, highlighting the Trump administration's change of stance on the war."
No, it's ending the war.
Ukraine cannot win.
Prolonging an unwinnable war is immoral.
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