You may not have comprehended the post of Lavoisier. He stated that the vaccine was intended to slow transmission rates by giving the body practice in fighting off the disease. The Trump vaccine was a new vaccine of a fairly new type so even the experts were not sure of efficacy rates at a large scale.
All this discussion of Fauci is yet another Trump fuelled boogyman witch hunt to distract from Trumps own pandenic mismanagement. Maybe Trump should have been prosecuted for telling Americans to swallow UV lights or inject bleach or use horse drugs or ignore it, etc.
Or maybe we could just move on and deal with today's real issues rather than trying to blame one guy for a worldwide pandemic that started on the other side of the world.
Yes, I understood Lavoiser's post. To be sure, I read it again. Let me quote part of it for you...
if we shorten an infectious period for a given virus, we will decrease the reproduction number. So, for instance, if you are infectious for 5 days instead of 10, you will infect less people, on average.
That makes sense. That was NOT what we were told. We were told that the vaccine would stop transmission. Not slow. Not lessen. We were told that if we didn't get vaccinated, we would be spreading covid to parents and elderly relatives over the holidays.
Your Trump argument is a deflection. Look up "deflection in a debate" to see the definition.
Fauci was the head of the White House Coronovirus Task Force. He was the spokesperson on COVID. He was the person on TV every day.
Congressional hearings are not enough. We want a criminal investigation of Fauci, Birx, Walensky, Daszak, Collins, and everyone else who was involved in the management of the COVID response. If we don't hold these people accountable, then history will likely repeat itself.
This is melodramatic. Even post-delta the vaccine was quite effective at blocking transmission and was essential for curbing severe disease. It’s saved MILLIONS of lives already.
You’re never going to find someone criminally liable for saying “stop” when they mean “greatly curb.” Nobody in the history of vaccines has ever claimed something is 100% effective.
The entire Covid fiasco was nothing more than a political stunt perpetuated by a bunch of loser democrats to gain power. no scientist has ever isolated any Covid. People may have gotten sick and died and blah blah blah, but it was not Covid. Possibly this man made disease attached to other illnesses, but Covid, in and of itself, has never been isolated or proven.
of course he will pardon Fauci, because it’s one crook pardoning another. thank God for MA6A! stop this nonsense
What do you mean its never been isolated? We have EM images? We have a genome? We have casual data showing how strains evolve and spread? Vaccination with specific components of the virus works...
Your crazy comes out sometimes... I'd do a better job hiding it.
The funny thing is that “reasonable” antivaxxers and deniers welcome these nutters into their tent. It makes them all look dumb and emotional.
In the absences of better data, Fauci (and his deep-state thugs + corporate media), lied and coerced the American public to be afraid, to lock down, to report their neighbors, and to take an experimental gene-therapy that had NOT undergone significant human trials and had zero-liability to the manufacturers.
It was a mass scientific trial on a population that was coerced and scared.
This was unAmerican, unConstitutional, and probably a crime against humanity.
The left-wing knew this, so they had to prop up Fauci as though he were a hero or deity and to degenerate and censor any opposing opinions.
Fauci needs to go to jail.
The Left was willing to attempt to put Trump in jail for "lying" about the value of his properties (victimless).
Meanwhile, there is more than enough reason for the American Public to put Fauci in jail for the rest of his life (and confiscate all his assets).
I heard this idea a lot during Trump's trials: 'they were able to put Capone away for tax evasion'... apply this to Fauci.
Yes, I understood Lavoiser's post. To be sure, I read it again. Let me quote part of it for you...
if we shorten an infectious period for a given virus, we will decrease the reproduction number. So, for instance, if you are infectious for 5 days instead of 10, you will infect less people, on average.
That makes sense. That was NOT what we were told. We were told that the vaccine would stop transmission. Not slow. Not lessen. We were told that if we didn't get vaccinated, we would be spreading covid to parents and elderly relatives over the holidays.
Your Trump argument is a deflection. Look up "deflection in a debate" to see the definition.
Fauci was the head of the White House Coronovirus Task Force. He was the spokesperson on COVID. He was the person on TV every day.
Congressional hearings are not enough. We want a criminal investigation of Fauci, Birx, Walensky, Daszak, Collins, and everyone else who was involved in the management of the COVID response. If we don't hold these people accountable, then history will likely repeat itself.
This is melodramatic. Even post-delta the vaccine was quite effective at blocking transmission and was essential for curbing severe disease. It’s saved MILLIONS of lives already.
You’re never going to find someone criminally liable for saying “stop” when they mean “greatly curb.” Nobody in the history of vaccines has ever claimed something is 100% effective.
It takes willful ignorance to believe that
It’s a complete hoax, like all of your posts. Anybody who forced this on healthy kids should be incarcerated. You can’t fk with kids health because you hate Trump, that’s not legit. show me the scientist who has isolated this so called “Covid”. find that guy for me, instead of a bunch of lip service to make people afraid, so they rush out for this other hoax, the “vaccination”. you cannot. it’s the only disease in history that has never been isolated. please . enough is enough.
Bottom line: you can not force the American public to take a vaccine.
Fauci and people like him did everything in their power to force Americans to take a vaccine.
Someone needs to go to jail for this (a cohort of people actually). And a significant portion of the population needs to reflect on how they behaved and need to start apologizing to specific people that they treated horribly. Forgiveness is not guaranteed.
What reasonable ones? I am curious. The posts below yours appear to believe that the entire world colluded in a gigantic conspiracy against Trump's believers.
Someone told me a while back that Fauci lied because he said we could "stop" the virus with social distancing, etc. The truth is, no responsible epidemiologist would ever say we could "stop" a virus by using these protective measures. So, what is "lying"?
Dr. Fauci indicated that we did not have to let the virus wreak havoc on our healthcare system, which it would have, given the reproduction number of about 2.9, which ended up higher than their original estimate of 2.2. I suppose that could be considered a lie, since he changed his story. Oh wait, he did not change his story, he had more data.
We did stop the virus from potentially causing 1,000,000 hospitalizations per week, which was forecast with the SIR model. Surely everyone on this message board is familiar with the SIR model, and the assumptions made with both the Oxford and Cambridge version.
1,000,000 hospitalizations per week could shut down our hospital system, by the way, because we have about that many beds total in the U.S.. Epidemiologists do have a plan for that contingency, however. COVID patients would be warehoused in triage units/morgues, away from the hospitals, so all the dweebs on message boards could still go to the hospital and get well.
Social distancing lowered the EFFECTIVE reproduction number from 2.9 down to about 1.0 in most states by the summer, which means that each person with COVID would infect 1.0 people, so we reached equilibrium by summer, and we knew it surely would be around in the fall, which it did.
We did make it to the vaccine, and subsequently circumvented the ill effects that COVID could have unleashed, if not for the good efforts of all the longsuffering epidemiologists like Dr. Fauci. i.e., we "stopped" COVID from wreaking all the havoc that epidemiologists like DR FAUCI had accurately forecast.
sad to see the downvotes. This is just pure data driven science, but instead extremists want politics to be a football game and not something that strengthens our country.
This is melodramatic. Even post-delta the vaccine was quite effective at blocking transmission and was essential for curbing severe disease. It’s saved MILLIONS of lives already.
You’re never going to find someone criminally liable for saying “stop” when they mean “greatly curb.” Nobody in the history of vaccines has ever claimed something is 100% effective.
It takes willful ignorance to believe that
It’s a complete hoax, like all of your posts. Anybody who forced this on healthy kids should be incarcerated. You can’t fk with kids health because you hate Trump, that’s not legit. show me the scientist who has isolated this so called “Covid”. find that guy for me, instead of a bunch of lip service to make people afraid, so they rush out for this other hoax, the “vaccination”. you cannot. it’s the only disease in history that has never been isolated. please . enough is enough.
How do you define isolated? They literally took swaps from the first US patient and showed it propagated in vitro - sequenced it - and took EM images of the virus.
There have been countless studies showing transmissible in mice.
The etiologic agent of the outbreak of pneumonia in Wuhan China was identified as severe acute respiratory syndrome associated coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in January, 2020. The first US patient was diagnosed by the State of Wa...
I don’t get why people don’t see this. If trump won last time he either would have kept Fauci or replaced him with his own corrupt stooge, and then pardoned that person for lying about something else
The old if, would have happened argument.
It’s not an if anymore. He will replace Fauci then when he leaves office he will pardon a bunch of his stooges who did all the illegal things a president is prevented from doing. DER
This is melodramatic. Even post-delta the vaccine was quite effective at blocking transmission and was essential for curbing severe disease. It’s saved MILLIONS of lives already.
You’re never going to find someone criminally liable for saying “stop” when they mean “greatly curb.” Nobody in the history of vaccines has ever claimed something is 100% effective.
It takes willful ignorance to believe that
Willful ignorance is ubiquitous among Trump supporters. Exploiting that is Trumps power.
This thread is clear evidence that they are impervious to facts, reason and nuance. This is just their anger topic of the moment until their orange messiah tells them to be angry about something else.
What reasonable ones? I am curious. The posts below yours appear to believe that the entire world colluded in a gigantic conspiracy against Trump's believers.
Incorrect interpretation. One must also assume your worldview is equally biased.
It’s not an if anymore. He will replace Fauci then when he leaves office he will pardon a bunch of his stooges who did all the illegal things a president is prevented from doing. DER
How do you define isolated? They literally took swaps from the first US patient and showed it propagated in vitro - sequenced it - and took EM images of the virus.
There have been countless studies showing transmissible in mice.
Bottom line: you can not force the American public to take a vaccine.
Fauci and people like him did everything in their power to force Americans to take a vaccine.
Someone needs to go to jail for this (a cohort of people actually). And a significant portion of the population needs to reflect on how they behaved and need to start apologizing to specific people that they treated horribly. Forgiveness is not guaranteed.
There were no federal mandates of private citizens.
Corporations had their own mandates for employment, but telling corporations how they can set rules for employment is socialism so you obviously don’t agree with that.
How do you define isolated? They literally took swaps from the first US patient and showed it propagated in vitro - sequenced it - and took EM images of the virus.
There have been countless studies showing transmissible in mice.
