You don't seem to be aware that this isn't an age competition. So far, at his specialty event, which is the 1500, Ingebrigtsen has shown in the last 3 years that he can't win a championship final.
You think higher of Jakob than his fanboys do when you're comparing his accomplishments to the people who have had much, much longer careers than he has so far.
It wasn't length of career that produced better achievements but more talent. We are also not discussing what Jakob hasn't achieved. Nothing in sports is a foregone conclusion. Ingebrigtsen could burn out or get permanently injured any time.
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You don't seem to be aware that this isn't an age competition. So far, at his specialty event, which is the 1500, Ingebrigtsen has shown in the last 3 years that he can't win a championship final.
He has won many 1500m championship finals. He also has done in 1500m championships much better than Coe has done in 800s , Coe's main distance.
Or look at Ron Clarke. Ingebrigtsen has done in the 1500m so much better than Clarke has done in the 5000m and in the 10000m. Only Morceli and El Guerrouj have clearly done much better in 1500 Championships than Ingebrigtsen. But 1500 is not Ingebrigtsens best distance. He clearly is stronger in the 3000m and the 5000m.
More drivel. Coe set a wr of astonishing proportions in the 800. The first WC weren't held till '83, after his 800 peak in '81. Jakob hasn't broken the record for the 1500 and only an idiot would maintain that for Coe, the only double Olympic 1500m champion, this wasn't a primary distance for him. He broke the wr for the mile several times.
Clarke had only two Olympics available to him (and no wc) and the second was made impossible for him by being held at altitude. You Jakob fans produce the weakest arguments to defend your idol.
You think higher of Jakob than his fanboys do when you're comparing his accomplishments to the people who have had much, much longer careers than he has so far.
It wasn't length of career that produced better achievements but more talent.
So El G simply wasn't talented enough when he won his first global gold when he was 23? Or Coe when he was 24?
It wasn't length of career that produced better achievements but more talent.
So El G simply wasn't talented enough when he won his first global gold when he was 23? Or Coe when he was 24?
You really are dense. As I've said repeatedly, open competition isn't determined by age and when an athlete matures. This isn't juniors. Some athletes mature earlier and some later. At the open level the only thing that can be compared amongst them is what they achieved and if you put Ingebrigtsen up against El G or Coe there remain achievements of theirs over his primary distance he doesn't have and likely never will.
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So El G simply wasn't talented enough when he won his first global gold when he was 23? Or Coe when he was 24?
You really are dense. As I've said repeatedly, open competition isn't determined by age and when an athlete matures. This isn't juniors. Some athletes mature earlier and some later. At the open level the only thing that can be compared amongst them is what they achieved and if you put Ingebrigtsen up against El G or Coe there remain achievements of theirs over his primary distance he doesn't have and likely never will.
So there's no correlation with length of career and what an athlete who matures later will achieve? You're really stupid, you know that, right?
And no, I don't think Jakob will become the best 1500 runner ever, because it's his worst event. He's undefeated in his best event, the 5000m.
He has won many 1500m championship finals. He also has done in 1500m championships much better than Coe has done in 800s , Coe's main distance.
Or look at Ron Clarke. Ingebrigtsen has done in the 1500m so much better than Clarke has done in the 5000m and in the 10000m. Only Morceli and El Guerrouj have clearly done much better in 1500 Championships than Ingebrigtsen. But 1500 is not Ingebrigtsens best distance. He clearly is stronger in the 3000m and the 5000m.
More drivel. Coe set a wr of astonishing proportions in the 800. The first WC weren't held till '83, after his 800 peak in '81. Jakob hasn't broken the record for the 1500 and only an idiot would maintain that for Coe, the only double Olympic 1500m champion, this wasn't a primary distance for him. He broke the wr for the mile several times.
Clarke had only two Olympics available to him (and no wc) and the second was made impossible for him by being held at altitude. You Jakob fans produce the weakest arguments to defend your idol.
Changing the subject, as always.
Coe's main distance always was 800m. His championship record at 800m is much weaker than ingebrigtsen's at 1500m.
78 EC 3
80 OG 2
82 EC 2
83 WC dnq
84 OG 2
86 CG dnc in final EC 1
87 WC dnc
88 OG dnq
90 CG 6
much much weaker than Ingebrigtsen at 1500m
18 EC 1 (age 17)
19 WC 4
21 OG 1
22 EC 1 WC 2
23 WC 2
24 EC 1 OG 4
At Melbourne 1956, Clarke was 19 years old. No boycott, there were easily 5 OG "available" to him. He also deeply failed at any CG final he ever run.
Ingebrigtsen's record at 1500m is far from perfect, hasnt won any of the last three global finals. But much better than Coe's at 800, Clarke's at 5000m and at 10000m, Ovett's at 1500m and so on.
There are two classic options, but they do not guarantee success. 1. a mercilessly fast pace for a few kilometers from the start, a little slower in the middle section and then a long, hard finish. 2. a very turbulent race, with many extremely hard changes of pace. 3. go to 26:30 pace after the starting gun and let the 7:17 guy show if he can suffer 26 long minutes. If you run a leisurely race and are only fast on the last lap, you give the 3000 m specialist the victory.
You really are dense. As I've said repeatedly, open competition isn't determined by age and when an athlete matures. This isn't juniors. Some athletes mature earlier and some later. At the open level the only thing that can be compared amongst them is what they achieved and if you put Ingebrigtsen up against El G or Coe there remain achievements of theirs over his primary distance he doesn't have and likely never will.
So there's no correlation with length of career and what an athlete who matures later will achieve? You're really stupid, you know that, right?
And no, I don't think Jakob will become the best 1500 runner ever, because it's his worst event. He's undefeated in his best event, the 5000m.
When you compare athletes' achievements you can only compare them according to what they accomplished. The rest is fantasy - your specialty.
If the 5k is Ingebrigtsen's best event, why does he run the 1500 the most? He doesn't seem to understand where his talents lie. Since you rate everything according to time, where does he stand on the all-time 5k list?
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More drivel. Coe set a wr of astonishing proportions in the 800. The first WC weren't held till '83, after his 800 peak in '81. Jakob hasn't broken the record for the 1500 and only an idiot would maintain that for Coe, the only double Olympic 1500m champion, this wasn't a primary distance for him. He broke the wr for the mile several times.
Clarke had only two Olympics available to him (and no wc) and the second was made impossible for him by being held at altitude. You Jakob fans produce the weakest arguments to defend your idol.
Changing the subject, as always.
Coe's main distance always was 800m. His championship record at 800m is much weaker than ingebrigtsen's at 1500m.
78 EC 3
80 OG 2
82 EC 2
83 WC dnq
84 OG 2
86 CG dnc in final EC 1
87 WC dnc
88 OG dnq
90 CG 6
much much weaker than Ingebrigtsen at 1500m
18 EC 1 (age 17)
19 WC 4
21 OG 1
22 EC 1 WC 2
23 WC 2
24 EC 1 OG 4
At Melbourne 1956, Clarke was 19 years old. No boycott, there were easily 5 OG "available" to him. He also deeply failed at any CG final he ever run.
Ingebrigtsen's record at 1500m is far from perfect, hasnt won any of the last three global finals. But much better than Coe's at 800, Clarke's at 5000m and at 10000m, Ovett's at 1500m and so on.
You can't make an argument for Ingebrigtsen's "greatness" without cherry-picking and misrepresenting athletes' achievements. Coe won two consecutive Olympic 1500 golds (and numerous world records in championship distances - Ingebrigtsen has none). Ingebrigtsen can never achieve that. Clarke did not compete at Melbourne and didn't resume his career until 1963, before Tokyo '64. He broke more world records than Ingebrigtsen (over championship distances) and in also a much shorter space in time. Mexico '68 was impossible for athletes like him who didn't live and train at altitude. I also would bet he wasn't doped, as Ingebrigtsen will be.
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So there's no correlation with length of career and what an athlete who matures later will achieve? You're really stupid, you know that, right?
And no, I don't think Jakob will become the best 1500 runner ever, because it's his worst event. He's undefeated in his best event, the 5000m.
When you compare athlete's achievements you can only compare them according to what they accomplished. The rest is fantasy - your specialty.
If the 5k is Ingebrigtsen's best event, why does he run the 1500 the most? He doesn't seem to understand where his talents lie. Since you rate everything according to time, where does he stand on the all-time 5k list?
Yes, nobody is arguing that Jakob have had a better career than the best 1500 runners, because they've had longer careers and more chances to win trophies and run fast times.
You said it's not the length of career but more talent that made the best 1500 runners the best, despite the fact that someone like El G didn't win the Olympics until his third attempt and they didn't start winning global golds until they were the same age that Jakob is now. So length of their careers seems pretty relevant to me in this case.
There's plenty of reasons for why he runs the 1500 the most, to make use of his speed before he loses it to age, because it's the premiere track event, because he likes the challenge, because he wants to become the best overall runner and not just the best runner in one event. Considering he himself says he's better at the 5k than the 1500 then I'm pretty sure he knows where his talents lie.
He's 20th all time without having made a serious attempt at running a fast time, but I'm sure you think someone who runs 7:17 for the 3k can't run faster than 12:48 for the 5k.
Coe's main distance always was 800m. His championship record at 800m is much weaker than ingebrigtsen's at 1500m.
78 EC 3
80 OG 2
82 EC 2
83 WC dnq
84 OG 2
86 CG dnc in final EC 1
87 WC dnc
88 OG dnq
90 CG 6
much much weaker than Ingebrigtsen at 1500m
18 EC 1 (age 17)
19 WC 4
21 OG 1
22 EC 1 WC 2
23 WC 2
24 EC 1 OG 4
At Melbourne 1956, Clarke was 19 years old. No boycott, there were easily 5 OG "available" to him. He also deeply failed at any CG final he ever run.
Ingebrigtsen's record at 1500m is far from perfect, hasnt won any of the last three global finals. But much better than Coe's at 800, Clarke's at 5000m and at 10000m, Ovett's at 1500m and so on.
You can't make an argument for Ingebrigtsen's "greatness" without cherry-picking and misrepresenting athletes' achievements. Coe won two consecutive Olympic 1500 golds (and numerous world records in championship distances - Ingebrigtsen has none). Ingebrigtsen can never achieve that. Clarke did not compete at Melbourne and didn't resume his career until 1963, before Tokyo '64. He broke more world records than Ingebrigtsen (over championship distances) and in also a much shorter space in time. Mexico '68 was impossible for athletes like him who didn't live and train at altitude. I also would bet he wasn't doped, as Ingebrigtsen will be.
Changing the subject, as always.
I'm not talking about Coe's achievements, Imby.
You are pointing on Ingebrigtsen's weak championship record, Imby.
For him, it's relatively weak.
Still much stronger than Coe's championshipü record at 800m.
Again for you, Imby:
78 EC 3
80 OG 2
82 EC 2
83 WC dnq
84 OG 2
86 CG dnc in final EC 1
87 WC dnc
88 OG dnq
90 CG 6
compare that to Ingebrigten's 1500m championship record
18 EC 1 (age 17)
19 WC 4
21 OG 1
22 EC 1 WC 2
23 WC 2
24 EC 1 OG 4
Ingebrigtsen's championbship record at 1500m is much much better than Coe's championship record at 800m. That's not debatable, it's a fact.
To list Coe's records or Golds in other events shoes just how stupid you are. Please do it one more time.
Clsrke was a runner in 1956 (over one year older than when Ingebrigtsen was 4th at the world champs). He just wasn't good enough to qualify for the Olympics. He competed in 6 track finals at the weak (but for him very important) commonwealth games. Not a single Gold medal. The best he could achieve at the Olympics was a bronce medal. Much much weaker than what Ingerbigtsen has done in the 1500m at the championships (not to talk at all from the 5000m).
For you, Coe and Clarke are pure and enormous losers. As well as runners like Ovett, Cram, Walker. Even Bekele has lost 4 global track finals. What a loser.
So there's no correlation with length of career and what an athlete who matures later will achieve? You're really stupid, you know that, right?
And no, I don't think Jakob will become the best 1500 runner ever, because it's his worst event. He's undefeated in his best event, the 5000m.
When you compare athletes' achievements you can only compare them according to what they accomplished. The rest is fantasy - your specialty.
If the 5k is Ingebrigtsen's best event, why does he run the 1500 the most? He doesn't seem to understand where his talents lie. Since you rate everything according to time, where does he stand on the all-time 5k list?
Obviously, the 1500m is the most prestigious event in distance running and setting a WR would be huge. For the 5000m, doubling back in championships and winning Gold Medals, is more than good enough to make the claim that he’s the best 5000m runner. Sooner or later, he’ll run in a paced 5000m and go for the WR.
When you compare athletes' achievements you can only compare them according to what they accomplished. The rest is fantasy - your specialty.
If the 5k is Ingebrigtsen's best event, why does he run the 1500 the most? He doesn't seem to understand where his talents lie. Since you rate everything according to time, where does he stand on the all-time 5k list?
Obviously, the 1500m is the most prestigious event in distance running and setting a WR would be huge. For the 5000m, doubling back in championships and winning Gold Medals, is more than good enough to make the claim that he’s the best 5000m runner. Sooner or later, he’ll run in a paced 5000m and go for the WR.
He knows that Jakob is the best in the 5k, Army just has beef with me because I've been trying to get him to explain why Kerrs superior 800m PB compared to Jakob hasn't resulted in more than four sub 3:30 times for Kerr.
There are two classic options, but they do not guarantee success. 1. a mercilessly fast pace for a few kilometers from the start, a little slower in the middle section and then a long, hard finish. 2. a very turbulent race, with many extremely hard changes of pace. 3. go to 26:30 pace after the starting gun and let the 7:17 guy show if he can suffer 26 long minutes. If you run a leisurely race and are only fast on the last lap, you give the 3000 m specialist the victory.
The way the Paris 10000m played out, I doubt if he could have kicked to a medal.
You can't make an argument for Ingebrigtsen's "greatness" without cherry-picking and misrepresenting athletes' achievements. Coe won two consecutive Olympic 1500 golds (and numerous world records in championship distances - Ingebrigtsen has none). Ingebrigtsen can never achieve that. Clarke did not compete at Melbourne and didn't resume his career until 1963, before Tokyo '64. He broke more world records than Ingebrigtsen (over championship distances) and in also a much shorter space in time. Mexico '68 was impossible for athletes like him who didn't live and train at altitude. I also would bet he wasn't doped, as Ingebrigtsen will be.
Changing the subject, as always.
I'm not talking about Coe's achievements, Imby.
You are pointing on Ingebrigtsen's weak championship record, Imby.
For him, it's relatively weak.
Still much stronger than Coe's championshipü record at 800m.
Again for you, Imby:
78 EC 3
80 OG 2
82 EC 2
83 WC dnq
84 OG 2
86 CG dnc in final EC 1
87 WC dnc
88 OG dnq
90 CG 6
compare that to Ingebrigten's 1500m championship record
18 EC 1 (age 17)
19 WC 4
21 OG 1
22 EC 1 WC 2
23 WC 2
24 EC 1 OG 4
Ingebrigtsen's championbship record at 1500m is much much better than Coe's championship record at 800m. That's not debatable, it's a fact.
To list Coe's records or Golds in other events shoes just how stupid you are. Please do it one more time.
Clsrke was a runner in 1956 (over one year older than when Ingebrigtsen was 4th at the world champs). He just wasn't good enough to qualify for the Olympics. He competed in 6 track finals at the weak (but for him very important) commonwealth games. Not a single Gold medal. The best he could achieve at the Olympics was a bronce medal. Much much weaker than what Ingerbigtsen has done in the 1500m at the championships (not to talk at all from the 5000m).
For you, Coe and Clarke are pure and enormous losers. As well as runners like Ovett, Cram, Walker. Even Bekele has lost 4 global track finals. What a loser.
He will never read your post. He hates having his ignorance exposed.
When you compare athlete's achievements you can only compare them according to what they accomplished. The rest is fantasy - your specialty.
If the 5k is Ingebrigtsen's best event, why does he run the 1500 the most? He doesn't seem to understand where his talents lie. Since you rate everything according to time, where does he stand on the all-time 5k list?
Yes, nobody is arguing that Jakob have had a better career than the best 1500 runners, because they've had longer careers and more chances to win trophies and run fast times.
You said it's not the length of career but more talent that made the best 1500 runners the best, despite the fact that someone like El G didn't win the Olympics until his third attempt and they didn't start winning global golds until they were the same age that Jakob is now. So length of their careers seems pretty relevant to me in this case.
There's plenty of reasons for why he runs the 1500 the most, to make use of his speed before he loses it to age, because it's the premiere track event, because he likes the challenge, because he wants to become the best overall runner and not just the best runner in one event. Considering he himself says he's better at the 5k than the 1500 then I'm pretty sure he knows where his talents lie.
He's 20th all time without having made a serious attempt at running a fast time, but I'm sure you think someone who runs 7:17 for the 3k can't run faster than 12:48 for the 5k.
I don't think that. But I have yet to see that in what you say is his "best" event he has yet to record a time of any significance. You can't make him better than he is by saying he could run faster - as in the future. If he does, he does - but until then it is mere conjecture.
There are plenty of runners who have long careers who don't accomplish much, and others who have relatively short careers - like Elliott - who leave a mark for future generations. Longevity isn't the same as talent. If you're going to compare Ingebrigtsen with other runners the only thing we have to go by is their achievements. The future doesn't count. Ingebrigtsen could incur an injury that doesn't repair or simply burn out - as quite a few talented athletes do. Or someone better could come along.
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You can't make an argument for Ingebrigtsen's "greatness" without cherry-picking and misrepresenting athletes' achievements. Coe won two consecutive Olympic 1500 golds (and numerous world records in championship distances - Ingebrigtsen has none). Ingebrigtsen can never achieve that. Clarke did not compete at Melbourne and didn't resume his career until 1963, before Tokyo '64. He broke more world records than Ingebrigtsen (over championship distances) and in also a much shorter space in time. Mexico '68 was impossible for athletes like him who didn't live and train at altitude. I also would bet he wasn't doped, as Ingebrigtsen will be.
Changing the subject, as always.
I'm not talking about Coe's achievements, Imby.
You are pointing on Ingebrigtsen's weak championship record, Imby.
For him, it's relatively weak.
Still much stronger than Coe's championshipü record at 800m.
Again for you, Imby:
78 EC 3
80 OG 2
82 EC 2
83 WC dnq
84 OG 2
86 CG dnc in final EC 1
87 WC dnc
88 OG dnq
90 CG 6
compare that to Ingebrigten's 1500m championship record
18 EC 1 (age 17)
19 WC 4
21 OG 1
22 EC 1 WC 2
23 WC 2
24 EC 1 OG 4
Ingebrigtsen's championbship record at 1500m is much much better than Coe's championship record at 800m. That's not debatable, it's a fact.
To list Coe's records or Golds in other events shoes just how stupid you are. Please do it one more time.
Clsrke was a runner in 1956 (over one year older than when Ingebrigtsen was 4th at the world champs). He just wasn't good enough to qualify for the Olympics. He competed in 6 track finals at the weak (but for him very important) commonwealth games. Not a single Gold medal. The best he could achieve at the Olympics was a bronce medal. Much much weaker than what Ingerbigtsen has done in the 1500m at the championships (not to talk at all from the 5000m).
For you, Coe and Clarke are pure and enormous losers. As well as runners like Ovett, Cram, Walker. Even Bekele has lost 4 global track finals. What a loser.
Sorry - your obsessive rant was too boring to read all the way through.