Even as a Brit, there's something very shady about Bell's performances.
I get that there's nuance to this. People cherry-picking times, her being out of the sport and a part-time runner for years, her showing a lot of promise as a junior and probably under delivering/achieving before stepping away and then coming back.
3:52 is a ridiculous time though, and you don't just get to that level because you've decided to train hard for a few years. I don't care how much unrealised potential you might have. Muir's been running religiously for a decade, held numerous national records, improved her times steadily over a long career and won global medals. Bell comes along and basically usurps her best time by taking chunks of her own PB repeatedly over the last year.
Hull is exactly the same with a 7 second improvement on her PB in the space of 4-5 months.
Hull's improvement was ~5.8 seconds in 11-1/2 months. It is interesting how women appear to be improving into their 30's in many cases (in the 1,500 - marathon+).
Interesting but not surprising. Talent doesn't go away and people who take good care of their bodies can perform at peak levels even into their 40s.
Really? Lest we forget Josette Andrews ran 4:10.82 in 2019 (1120 WA points) and then ran 8:58.23 (1134 points) in 2020, a year with very few opportunities to race due to Covid. A 78-point improvement in two years is very common and people have improved more than that in one year. And she has been consistent in the years since, unlike others who have suspicious improvements and then never run those times again. But whatever you do, don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie.
Blah blah blah. Not too obvi is right. Good lie?? Can’t lie about public information on dates and results. And never improved let alone ran a 3:59 again in her life. And her 1500m times consistently have been getting worse. Her improvement initially was completely suspect which is what the topic is here.
Maybe a bit of injury?
After NCAAs, she says, “I kept running that entire summer to chase a contract because USAs weren’t until July.” She ran a PR 4:10.82 in New Jersey and later a PR 15:29.34 at Azusa before finishing 12th in the USATF 5000. She signed on with agent Ray Flynn and before long had a Reebok contract. “I just really needed a chance to do it because there was so much left.”
The next year, with the pandemic shutting much of the sport down, she mostly focused on training with Fox, a world-class runner who became Syracuse coach and now heads Reebok’s Boston-based training group.
In ’21, Andrews, always sure of her own potential, convinced many others. In a season sprinkled liberally with PRs, she improved to 14:51.32. Her only disappointment came at the Olympic Trials, where she finished 8th in the 5000. She says, “Going into it, I had never really thought about making the team that year. I thought, ‘OK, this is my first Olympic Trials, I’m going to get this experience and then I’m going to keep getting better and better as the years go on.’ It was crazy when I got to the Trials, I was like, ‘Wait, I can make this team. People think I can make this team.’
“Things were happening so fast with me physically on the track that I think I hadn’t really caught up by the time I got to the Trials. The race was definitely disappointing, not to make the team, but I rebounded pretty quickly from it because I felt like I was still young. I was able to go back and train and not grieve too much.”
She and Fox shifted the emphasis to the 1500, and big results came immediately. She ran a PR 3:59.72 before putting together a consistent set of results in the Diamond League, topped by her 3rd in the DL Final in Zürich. She ended the season as the top-ranked American and No. 6 in the world.
In ’22 she had a solid indoor campaign, finishing 2nd at USATF Indoor and 5th in the World Indoors. Then the hamstring bailed on her and she struggled through the outdoor campaign.
Blah blah blah. Not too obvi is right. Good lie?? Can’t lie about public information on dates and results. And never improved let alone ran a 3:59 again in her life. And her 1500m times consistently have been getting worse. Her improvement initially was completely suspect which is what the topic is here.
Maybe a bit of injury?
After NCAAs, she says, “I kept running that entire summer to chase a contract because USAs weren’t until July.” She ran a PR 4:10.82 in New Jersey and later a PR 15:29.34 at Azusa before finishing 12th in the USATF 5000. She signed on with agent Ray Flynn and before long had a Reebok contract. “I just really needed a chance to do it because there was so much left.”
The next year, with the pandemic shutting much of the sport down, she mostly focused on training with Fox, a world-class runner who became Syracuse coach and now heads Reebok’s Boston-based training group.
In ’21, Andrews, always sure of her own potential, convinced many others. In a season sprinkled liberally with PRs, she improved to 14:51.32. Her only disappointment came at the Olympic Trials, where she finished 8th in the 5000. She says, “Going into it, I had never really thought about making the team that year. I thought, ‘OK, this is my first Olympic Trials, I’m going to get this experience and then I’m going to keep getting better and better as the years go on.’ It was crazy when I got to the Trials, I was like, ‘Wait, I can make this team. People think I can make this team.’
“Things were happening so fast with me physically on the track that I think I hadn’t really caught up by the time I got to the Trials. The race was definitely disappointing, not to make the team, but I rebounded pretty quickly from it because I felt like I was still young. I was able to go back and train and not grieve too much.”
She and Fox shifted the emphasis to the 1500, and big results came immediately. She ran a PR 3:59.72 before putting together a consistent set of results in the Diamond League, topped by her 3rd in the DL Final in Zürich. She ended the season as the top-ranked American and No. 6 in the world.
In ’22 she had a solid indoor campaign, finishing 2nd at USATF Indoor and 5th in the World Indoors. Then the hamstring bailed on her and she struggled through the outdoor campaign.
So how is it that suspect, going from a 15:27 to a 14:52 at the age of 25, after turning pro and training full-time? Daniels says a 14:52 is equivalent to a 3:57 1500m, so not out of the realm-of-possibility, no?
After NCAAs, she says, “I kept running that entire summer to chase a contract because
Then the hamstring bailed on her and she struggled through the outdoor
etc etc etc
OMG! What a PATHETIC post. Who are you? How sad is this ridiculous attempt at beating a dead horse. She must be mortified that this ridiculous attempt at redemption ad nauseam was even posted. Sorry but no one is interested at reading a sob story of some random runner. Sad!
After NCAAs, she says, “I kept running that entire summer to chase a contract because USAs weren’t until July.” She ran a PR 4:10.82 in New Jersey and later a PR 15:29.34 at Azusa before finishing 12th in the USATF 5000. She signed on with agent Ray Flynn and before long had a Reebok contract. “I just really needed a chance to do it because there was so much left.”
The next year, with the pandemic shutting much of the sport down, she mostly focused on training with Fox, a world-class runner who became Syracuse coach and now heads Reebok’s Boston-based training group.
In ’21, Andrews, always sure of her own potential, convinced many others. In a season sprinkled liberally with PRs, she improved to 14:51.32. Her only disappointment came at the Olympic Trials, where she finished 8th in the 5000. She says, “Going into it, I had never really thought about making the team that year. I thought, ‘OK, this is my first Olympic Trials, I’m going to get this experience and then I’m going to keep getting better and better as the years go on.’ It was crazy when I got to the Trials, I was like, ‘Wait, I can make this team. People think I can make this team.’
“Things were happening so fast with me physically on the track that I think I hadn’t really caught up by the time I got to the Trials. The race was definitely disappointing, not to make the team, but I rebounded pretty quickly from it because I felt like I was still young. I was able to go back and train and not grieve too much.”
She and Fox shifted the emphasis to the 1500, and big results came immediately. She ran a PR 3:59.72 before putting together a consistent set of results in the Diamond League, topped by her 3rd in the DL Final in Zürich. She ended the season as the top-ranked American and No. 6 in the world.
In ’22 she had a solid indoor campaign, finishing 2nd at USATF Indoor and 5th in the World Indoors. Then the hamstring bailed on her and she struggled through the outdoor campaign.
seriously. Anyone who feels the need to write an article in response to the truth is beyond sad. I find this desperate and obviously not productive since we all have access to the facts. Just let this horse go off to pasture in peace
seriously. Anyone who feels the need to write an article in response to the truth is beyond sad. I find this desperate and obviously not productive since we all have access to the facts. Just let this horse go off to pasture in peace
Never found her to be cordial or warm in general. Needs a whole army to back up anything to do with her. Disregard them.
After NCAAs, she says, “I kept running that entire summer to chase a contract because
Then the hamstring bailed on her and she struggled through the outdoor
etc etc etc
OMG! What a PATHETIC post. Who are you? How sad is this ridiculous attempt at beating a dead horse. She must be mortified that this ridiculous attempt at redemption ad nauseam was even posted. Sorry but no one is interested at reading a sob story of some random runner. Sad!
Triggered much?
The reality is there aren’t that many legitimate posters here that care one way or another, but your “bash Norris” posts typically get huge votes; meaning YOU are a troll here running multiple handles, upvoting your own ridiculous posts (like the430miler troll) that has it in for Josette. You’ve just been BUSTED!
Other talented athletes avoid injury but don't get an improvement of 14 secs in a year.
Really? Lest we forget Josette Andrews who went from 4:15 to 3:59 in one year, the same year she also went from 15:57 to 14:51 and the mile from 4:46 to 4:22. Speaking of sus.
No one would argue that Bell is the only athlete who has had a suspect progression. But there are progressions that stand out and are hard to believe.
Hull's improvement was ~5.8 seconds in 11-1/2 months. It is interesting how women appear to be improving into their 30's in many cases (in the 1,500 - marathon+).
Interesting but not surprising. Talent doesn't go away and people who take good care of their bodies can perform at peak levels even into their 40s.
No, they can't. The physical peak is the late twenties. Peaking in your forties is doping.
Seems the only person on this thread that’s triggered is you! Interesting fantasy you imagine that all comments about a person are coming from one poster. Delusional much? Let’s run is full of positive and negative comments about runners. You honestly think they all come from a single troll? Wow. Btw you can only post on a thread under one name. So…
