Another 26 Kenyans Busted

I agree with banning enablers: agents, other dopers, doctors etc. but we don’t know who is clean. You defending a clean athlete can just as likely be you defending someone not yet caught.

Personally, I don’t feel like defending anyone any longer. Any athlete for all we know can be doping. It is wrecking the sport. The short sighted goal of making a buck is literally killing the sport.

It's time for the bosses to tell Kenya this has to stop or they'll be banned like Russia was. Help Kenya put together resources for drug testing. And then follow through on the warning.

The global racial storm will be massive and hard to come back from, but it's time to try to save distance running from Kenya.

Doping is rampant everywhere. Only Kenya is thoroughly testing.
If only Kenyans were doping then Kenyans would win every single event.

Russia was banned because not only were they not testing, but they were doping up their atheles and taking steps to hide the positive results.

Kenya is doing the exact opposite. They are going out of their way to test athletes. Yes go ahead and ban Kenya. Then they will stop testing. Why test if it gets the country banned ?

The real data is in the number of athletes testing positive. They know it’s against the rules. They take it. The unlucky or really dumb ones test positive.

The athletes that test positive think the drugs enhance performance and are therefore worth the risk.

Or are they just fools taking drugs that don’t work?

I was being generous with "5 anonymous letsrun posters".

I'm unpersuaded by your five minute internet search of "marathoners banned for steroids", completely unaccompanied by explanations, or testimonials, or any performance data as confirmation of their motives or success. From WADA reports, we know that Kenyan doctors inject athletes with steroids because that is the routine treatment for muscle injuries. We also know -- wait for it -- that Kenyans do not routinely castrate their boars. Which of these steroid positives were unknowing use? I also can't be sure that these athletes just didn't get steroids from an ignorant husband, or local doctor/pharmacist/gym buddy, maybe motivated by something they read on the internet, like "quicker recovery and more training".

This falls far short of establishing that any of these athletes intentionally took steroids for the express purpose of improving their marathon performance, or that the very notion was historically popular or widespread.

Regarding Canova, it is clear from his use of the words "if", "probably", and "could be", that his "conviction" is a theoretical one, rather than one based on practical experience. I will treat this conviction like I consistently treat everyone's theoretical convictions, and give very little weight to theoretical conviction not backed up by any performance data.

This notion of steroids being effective for distance runners, especially marathon runners, is not one that finds popular historical support. The historical use of steroids was mainly for body-builders, weightlifting, American football and baseball, sprinters, throwers, and for women, middle-distance runners.

That is just one data point. The number of positives in isolation doesn't tell the whole story. It should be complemented by the relative number of positives to number of athletes tested, and number of tests, and then compared to athletes from other countries. Then we need to consider outside factors unique to some countries, such as the economics of doping versus not doping.

Both WADA and the AIU says that Kenyan athletes are often exploited, because Kenyans are both talented, and desperate to earn money for their families. It is the exploiters who give the athletes the choice to dope in order to compete. This doesn't necessarily reflect the athletes' beliefs or experiences or the risk/reward model you propose.

I love it! All these tests prove just how “clean” Kenyans are? Such logic! At any point over the last eight years you could claim “the most recent group of positives proves just how clean the other Kenyans are” and yet they continue to get popped in droves. You’re very quickly running out of athletes to claim are clean.

Reky. Keep dreaming.

Definitely steroids are potent for women middle-distance runners.

Declassified East German documents revealed their steroid program involving female mid-D runners using Oral-Turinabol.

Turinabal is a derivative of Dianabol - the most popular & widely used steroid in the world with bodybuilders & strength athletes (in fact, bodybuilders often refer to Turinabol as "baby Dbol").

According to GDR documents, with Turinabol a female 800m runner could expect a 5-10 second improvement, and a female 1500m runner a 7-10 second improvement.

Nothing mentioned in these documents of Turinabol use, or any anabolic steroid, with their male or female marathon runners.

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Hormonal doping and androgenization of athletes: a secret program of the German Democratic Republic government

Abstract. Several classified documents saved after the collapse of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in 1990 describe the promotion by the government of

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Well, do you trust WADA? Do you believe in the 'Biological Passport'?

Do believe doping is actually 'Performance Enhancing'?

Would you be interested in a real Science debate?

That stuff has been around since the late 1950s

Don't you think it's time to move on?

They couldn't even win every event when Morocco and Algeria were doping as hard as them in the full throttle era.

ADAK - More suspensions are coming soon.

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More doping sanctions on the way as ADAK flexes muscle

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More doping sanctions on the way as ADAK flexes muscle

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Dianabol was first synthesized in 1955 (CIBA Labs) & Turinabol in 1960 (it's funny though strength athletes are still testing positive for these compounds. Lol).

Move on in what way? The GDR documents show that Turinabol nor testosterone was being administered to their marathon runners, or distance runners for that fact.

As I said before, it's "low-octane" doping for distance runners & endurance athletes in general. It not going to do much for improving their times.

ESA's & transfusions is where it's at for distance runners & endurance athletes ("high-octane" doping). We have a ton history with the use of ESA's & transfusions with distance runners, cyclists & XC skiers.

You show a lack of respect for human biology. Nothing surprising though.

Would you be interested in learning about the subject, or are you more interested in the doping stories?

Excellent. More busts.

"We have a new trend which is resulting from mass testing and intelligence. Many athletes are running away when they get wind that anti-doping control officers are coming but we are now charging them with evasion," said Rogoncho.

Well then, no positive test, so no reason to get upset, right rekrunner?

Doping is everywhere. But not equally - as Kenya shows.

Well said. Kudos to athletics Kenya for doing this right before the Olympics. The easiest thing in the world would be to quietly sweep it under the rug until later.