You are saying that you didn't say what I said you did.
What is it?
1) That everybody at the top is doping?
2) That Kenyans dope more than non Kenyans?
I'm sure you said both. But now you say that you didn't said it.
I just ask: which one? 1) or 2) or both?
OK, he just can't answer this easy question.
I'm sure he said both: anybody at the top is doping, Kenyans dope more than the rest. I tried to clarify what "the top" is for him. His reply: I didn't say this. When trying to clarify what exactly, he runs away. No discussion possible with him.
You are saying that you didn't say what I said you did.
What is it?
1) That everybody at the top is doping?
2) That Kenyans dope more than non Kenyans?
I'm sure you said both. But now you say that you didn't said it.
I just ask: which one? 1) or 2) or both?
OK, he just can't answer this easy question.
I'm sure he said both: anybody at the top is doping, Kenyans dope more than the rest. I tried to clarify what "the top" is for him. His reply: I didn't say this. When trying to clarify what exactly, he runs away. No discussion possible with him.
I'm sure he said both: anybody at the top is doping, Kenyans dope more than the rest. I tried to clarify what "the top" is for him. His reply: I didn't say this. When trying to clarify what exactly, he runs away. No discussion possible with him.
No. No discussion possible with you.
I try to clarify what you said. For sure your answer would not to your liking. So you prefer to run away.
More evasive cr*p. The claim isn't that their doping busts tell us the exact ratio of violations to prevalence. That is a dumb straw-man. No one knows the exact prevalence - because not all dopers are caught, moron. Yet what the stream of violations tells everybody - except nutjobs like you - is that they have one of the worst doping problems on the planet and currently the worst in the sport. Your denial is tantamount to a terminal disease. Incurable.
I'm only evading and denying your dumbed-down cr*p, as the AIU tells me a much richer story than your uninformed nonsense.
It hardly makes sense for you to try and argue that Kenyan doping is the "worst", or even "one of the worst", if their doping prevalance would be no worse than the worldwide average, or not even in the top-10. As you concede "no one knows", then you already know you are arguing firmly from a position of nonsense.
I don't evade WADA's or the AIU's explanations, but rather embrace and explain what they tell us about the factors unique to Kenya.
When trying to clarify what exactly, he runs away. No discussion possible with him.
hoaty - of course he runs away; he's only here to troll people.
With apologies to Eminem, here's Armstronglivs' anthem:
I've created a monster 'Cause nobody wants to see Armstronglivs no more, they want rekrunner, I'm chopped liver Well, if you want rekrunner, this is what I'll give ya A little bit of misdirection mixed with some hard vigour Some crap that'll jump-start my heart quicker Than a shock when I get epo’d at the hospital By the doctor when I'm obfuscating When I'm rockin' the table while he's operating (Hey!) You waited this long, now stop debating 'Cause I'm back, I'm full of crap and postulating U know that I got no job, just ‘splaining that living in my mom’s basement’s complicating So Letsrun won’t let me be Or let me be, why can’t they see I like to stir things with unbridled glee Cos I feel so empty without being angry
You are saying that you didn't say what I said you did.
What is it?
1) That everybody at the top is doping?
2) That Kenyans dope more than non Kenyans?
I'm sure you said both. But now you say that you didn't said it.
I just ask: which one? 1) or 2) or both?
OK, he just can't answer this easy question.
I'm sure he said both: anybody at the top is doping, Kenyans dope more than the rest. I tried to clarify what "the top" is for him. His reply: I didn't say this. When trying to clarify what exactly, he runs away. No discussion possible with him.
I think people should clarify or admit a mistake on a discussion board...and not just hide or put up a smoke screen. ...and maybe the "top non-Kenyan athletes/all Kenyans" thing was a kind of accidental contradiction in the end. BUT .................my guess from the side-lines is that the majority of medal-winning athletes from all countries are probably doping in some way (in most events). ...but when you get to, say, England's second or third best female long-jumper...I feel there's a good chance she's NOT doping. ...but the 2nd and 3rd best Kenyan 5000 meter female runners probably ARE doping. - in fact, it seems like the top 50 or more Kenyans might be...or basically every Kenyan with ambitions to make it to world level...is probably doping.
It's not hard to believe that most of the finalists in a UK Olympic Trials event might be clean - (and not go to the Olympics). ...and it's also not hard to believe that nearly all the finalists at the Kenyan Olympic trials could be doping. (but with many dopers not going to the Olympics.)
When trying to clarify what exactly, he runs away. No discussion possible with him.
hoaty - of course he runs away; he's only here to troll people.
With apologies to Eminem, here's Armstronglivs' anthem:
I've created a monster 'Cause nobody wants to see Armstronglivs no more, they want rekrunner, I'm chopped liver Well, if you want rekrunner, this is what I'll give ya A little bit of misdirection mixed with some hard vigour Some crap that'll jump-start my heart quicker Than a shock when I get epo’d at the hospital By the doctor when I'm obfuscating When I'm rockin' the table while he's operating (Hey!) You waited this long, now stop debating 'Cause I'm back, I'm full of crap and postulating U know that I got no job, just ‘splaining that living in my mom’s basement’s complicating So Letsrun won’t let me be Or let me be, why can’t they see I like to stir things with unbridled glee Cos I feel so empty without being angry
Malcolm Mclaren must be shaking his head in hell, wondering how his song has now morphed in to this. Maybe Sid will sing a few bars to really ruin everyone's day down there.
More evasive cr*p. The claim isn't that their doping busts tell us the exact ratio of violations to prevalence. That is a dumb straw-man. No one knows the exact prevalence - because not all dopers are caught, moron. Yet what the stream of violations tells everybody - except nutjobs like you - is that they have one of the worst doping problems on the planet and currently the worst in the sport. Your denial is tantamount to a terminal disease. Incurable.
I'm only evading and denying your dumbed-down cr*p, as the AIU tells me a much richer story than your uninformed nonsense.
It hardly makes sense for you to try and argue that Kenyan doping is the "worst", or even "one of the worst", if their doping prevalance would be no worse than the worldwide average, or not even in the top-10. As you concede "no one knows", then you already know you are arguing firmly from a position of nonsense.
I don't evade WADA's or the AIU's explanations, but rather embrace and explain what they tell us about the factors unique to Kenya.
No one knows the exact prevalence of their doping - like how much crime there will be in a corrupt country, but there is no doubt the country is corrupt and there will be a lot of crime. And that is Kenyan doping.
Most responses to your comments are simply to point out the stupid illogicality and dishonesty in your arguments.
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I'm sure he said both: anybody at the top is doping, Kenyans dope more than the rest. I tried to clarify what "the top" is for him. His reply: I didn't say this. When trying to clarify what exactly, he runs away. No discussion possible with him.
I think people should clarify or admit a mistake on a discussion board...and not just hide or put up a smoke screen. ...and maybe the "top non-Kenyan athletes/all Kenyans" thing was a kind of accidental contradiction in the end. BUT .................my guess from the side-lines is that the majority of medal-winning athletes from all countries are probably doping in some way (in most events). ...but when you get to, say, England's second or third best female long-jumper...I feel there's a good chance she's NOT doping. ...but the 2nd and 3rd best Kenyan 5000 meter female runners probably ARE doping. - in fact, it seems like the top 50 or more Kenyans might be...or basically every Kenyan with ambitions to make it to world level...is probably doping.
It's not hard to believe that most of the finalists in a UK Olympic Trials event might be clean - (and not go to the Olympics). ...and it's also not hard to believe that nearly all the finalists at the Kenyan Olympic trials could be doping. (but with many dopers not going to the Olympics.)
You're on the right track. But there is no chance the idiot you are responding to will follow what you have said. So that is why I don't bother.
When trying to clarify what exactly, he runs away. No discussion possible with him.
hoaty - of course he runs away; he's only here to troll people.
With apologies to Eminem, here's Armstronglivs' anthem:
I've created a monster 'Cause nobody wants to see Armstronglivs no more, they want rekrunner, I'm chopped liver Well, if you want rekrunner, this is what I'll give ya A little bit of misdirection mixed with some hard vigour Some crap that'll jump-start my heart quicker Than a shock when I get epo’d at the hospital By the doctor when I'm obfuscating When I'm rockin' the table while he's operating (Hey!) You waited this long, now stop debating 'Cause I'm back, I'm full of crap and postulating U know that I got no job, just ‘splaining that living in my mom’s basement’s complicating So Letsrun won’t let me be Or let me be, why can’t they see I like to stir things with unbridled glee Cos I feel so empty without being angry
Your anthem. Not mine. I don't have one - and if I did it would read better than that.
No one knows the exact prevalence of their doping - like how much crime there will be in a corrupt country, but there is no doubt the country is corrupt and there will be a lot of crime. And that is Kenyan doping.
Most responses to your comments are simply to point out the stupid illogicality and dishonesty in your arguments.
It's not convincing given your reputation as the ignorant manchild.
No one knows the exact prevalence of their doping - like how much crime there will be in a corrupt country, but there is no doubt the country is corrupt and there will be a lot of crime. And that is Kenyan doping.
Most responses to your comments are simply to point out the stupid illogicality and dishonesty in your arguments.
It's not convincing given your reputation as the ignorant manchild.
I don't give a sh*t what you say my reputation is. You are for a fact the board's dedicated doping denier: the ultimate "fake moon landing" advocate applied to doping, the minimiser of Kenyan doping and the defender of Houlihan, Salazar and any other whose integrity has been shot to pieces over their doping convictions. You are the king of the sanatorium here.
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