Since we are talking about U20, these are 1st and 2nd year college runners, where the world xc experience could easily benefit the rest of their college career more than it would take away. International competition can teach a lot.
Plus the school gets at least a little exposure by having an athlete at worlds, if they work it right. So no, not confused.
Wow. You are STILL confused. Runners who are good enough to make a world xc team are good enough to contribute points for their team at their indoor conference championships, which is always a big deal for every college coach.
You are also conveniently ignoring the fact that training for xc until a February/March xc world championships also pushes back by 3 months their transition to track training, which normally starts in December.
You can try to keep pushing your incorrect idea, but college coaches obviously disagree with you, which is why so few of the top U20 college runners are in today's race.
You couldn't look more desperate and confused right now. My "incorrect idea" is not that January 20 is a good date for the US race, it's that early December is a good date. The US event should be the week after the high school championships (and there should be one of those, not three). That would usually be two or three weeks after NCAA Nationals.
So obviously we can't look at how many college runners ran today in January, and say that would be the exact same showing had the race been in early December.
According to Anthony Camerieri, of Tinman Elite who placed 8th, 2 people already gave up their spots for Worlds XC. Any guesses on who gave up their spot?
According to Anthony Camerieri, of Tinman Elite who placed 8th, 2 people already gave up their spots for Worlds XC. Any guesses on who gave up their spot?
Do you not understand how this works? USATF has zero to do with who decides to enter.
By January, many college runners aren't allowed by their college coaches to still run cross country, because the coaches need them to run track for their college. After all, that's why the college coaches give out scholarships, so that scholarship runners can run for their college.
And many high school runners have already moved on to track.
There is no point in blaming USATF when they aren't the one making the decision as to who enters.
Do you not understand how to make a point without demeaning an LRC poster. You are a mean person.
Wow. You are STILL confused. Runners who are good enough to make a world xc team are good enough to contribute points for their team at their indoor conference championships, which is always a big deal for every college coach.
You are also conveniently ignoring the fact that training for xc until a February/March xc world championships also pushes back by 3 months their transition to track training, which normally starts in December.
You can try to keep pushing your incorrect idea, but college coaches obviously disagree with you, which is why so few of the top U20 college runners are in today's race.
You couldn't look more desperate and confused right now. My "incorrect idea" is not that January 20 is a good date for the US race, it's that early December is a good date. The US event should be the week after the high school championships (and there should be one of those, not three). That would usually be two or three weeks after NCAA Nationals.
So obviously we can't look at how many college runners ran today in January, and say that would be the exact same showing had the race been in early December.
You are still confused.
Your incorrect idea of "early December" doesn't work. NXN is the first weekend in December and then Foot Locker is the second weekend. So high school runners, which make up an important part of the U20 races, wouldn't participate in "early December."
And "early December" is exactly when most college coaches want their runners to take a break after the NCAA Championships.
So "early December" is a non-starter.
And if the USATF U20 race was held later in December, then you are running into the holiday season, when many runners and their families have other plans.
You keep pushing an "early December" idea that isn't feasible. Not sure why you can't understand that.
The scheduling will look completely different anyway in the leadup to the NEXT World XC in 2026 in Tallahassee, since it's on January 10th of that year. I imagine the USATF Championships will have to be in early/early-mid December.
But really, this event brings together pros, collegians, and HS athletes, and there's literally no way to find a single day that works especially well for all those groups, since they're all on completely different training schedules.
You couldn't look more desperate and confused right now. My "incorrect idea" is not that January 20 is a good date for the US race, it's that early December is a good date. The US event should be the week after the high school championships (and there should be one of those, not three). That would usually be two or three weeks after NCAA Nationals.
So obviously we can't look at how many college runners ran today in January, and say that would be the exact same showing had the race been in early December.
I also like early December. Make it happen coaches and USATF.
You couldn't look more desperate and confused right now. My "incorrect idea" is not that January 20 is a good date for the US race, it's that early December is a good date. The US event should be the week after the high school championships (and there should be one of those, not three). That would usually be two or three weeks after NCAA Nationals.
So obviously we can't look at how many college runners ran today in January, and say that would be the exact same showing had the race been in early December.
You are still confused.
Your incorrect idea of "early December" doesn't work. NXN is the first weekend in December and then Foot Locker is the second weekend. So high school runners, which make up an important part of the U20 races, wouldn't participate in "early December."
And "early December" is exactly when most college coaches want their runners to take a break after the NCAA Championships.
So "early December" is a non-starter.
And if the USATF U20 race was held later in December, then you are running into the holiday season, when many runners and their families have other plans.
You keep pushing an "early December" idea that isn't feasible. Not sure why you can't understand that.
Early December is also finals week for college athletes. There is a reason NCAA football games are not scheduled in this period. It doesn't work for either HS or college runners.
I’m going to guess they went around a barrier. I watched the twins from Louisville go around the first two……. After that race they started announcing it was a dq If you did it….
Your incorrect idea of "early December" doesn't work. NXN is the first weekend in December and then Foot Locker is the second weekend. So high school runners, which make up an important part of the U20 races, wouldn't participate in "early December."
And "early December" is exactly when most college coaches want their runners to take a break after the NCAA Championships.
So "early December" is a non-starter.
And if the USATF U20 race was held later in December, then you are running into the holiday season, when many runners and their families have other plans.
You keep pushing an "early December" idea that isn't feasible. Not sure why you can't understand that.
Early December is also finals week for college athletes. There is a reason NCAA football games are not scheduled in this period. It doesn't work for either HS or college runners.
It's impossible to find a time that works for everyone. Maybe not have all the qualifiers on the same day?
The junior race is tough because it's both college and high school but maybe the week after Nike would bring more in.
As far as open- the Club Nationals time frame would work.
I'm old enough to remember when the AAU/TAC/whatever they called it at that moment, was in November and there was a separate trials race before Worlds. I think the winner from November got a spot.
I like it the way it is. I like that there are no qualifying standards for it, and that anybody can run in it (91st place guy ran 47 minutes; 49th place woman ran 50 minutes). Although with such small fields (just 53 for women and 93 for men, maybe don't have a community race.
Also thanks to World Athletics for making the distance between men and women equal. Now if we can just expand that to the Master's race and Club Level racing. It's patently ridiculous men and women are still racing different distances in the year 2024. I personally favor 8k for all, but if World Athletics wants a 9k, fine with me.
Hocker disappointed? Since when is Hocker a great 10k runner?
lol. Hocker made a stacked 1500m final at the last Olympics and is a full-time professional runner.
Today he lost to a guy who isn't even training as a full time runner.
If my whole career was devoted to, you know, running, I'd be pretty disappointed getting waxed by a full time triathlete
Hocker made an Olympic final and improved his PR by 11 seconds in 1 year when he had only been tested once in his NCAA career,it's really no wonder he done great,then the AIU start testing him and this happens.
Also the fact it is January and he might not be in shape for 10k right now. He has never been a workhorse either, he can hold on and has a deadly kick.
Amazing race for Teare, I'm sure that felt good after the year he had prior. He probably runs a sub 13 5k this year. It would be cool to see a 10k from him too, the standard is crazy so I doubt he can do a sub 27.
lol. Hocker made a stacked 1500m final at the last Olympics and is a full-time professional runner.
Today he lost to a guy who isn't even training as a full time runner.
If my whole career was devoted to, you know, running, I'd be pretty disappointed getting waxed by a full time triathlete
Hocker made an Olympic final and improved his PR by 11 seconds in 1 year when he had only been tested once in his NCAA career,it's really no wonder he done great,then the AIU start testing him and this happens.
Did you miss him setting 2 PRs and replicating his performance at Budapest last year?
Shea is getting back into fitness after her disappointing BU indoor at 9:38. I would be stunned if she made the team. But see post above, with missing 4 of our top6, she might surprise us.
I have egg on my face. Ellie Shea DID qualify. Congrats to her and making the team for the 2nd straight year. Awesome race by all.!
