JAKOB MF INGEBRIGTSEN

Good to know. so that means when Jakob wins two golds next year he can't be anything other than GOAT!

I don't think so. There are 24 million rabid Jakob fans in Europe alone. I didn't care about Bolt nor did anyone I know. But we are all very excited for Jakob. And there is 100s in our circle.

You left out that he also has to hold the records for the distance. Since he has neither the golds that El G had or his records he cannot yet be the GOAT or even "great". Thanks for conceding that. So far none of these things are achievements; they are only your fantasies and those of his fans.

There aren't 24 million. But his fans are rabid, like you say. No one outside running circles care who he is. But the world knew about Bolt.

Of course he is already "great". There are no Oly gold winners and top 3 PB of all time in their event that aren't "great". However the point is since he's 90% going to win two golds next year he will be GOAT. No questions.

The world knew about about Bolt because media blasted his face at every opportunity. They don't do that with Jakob. However, Jakob has many more actual fans.

Are you ok? Long time since you have been outside of your house, even for a short walk? How long is it since you've met and spoken to someone?

Americans might go for the 3200 m WR

Agreed.

The only "great" 800m runner(s) of the last 45 years are - uuuh, is - David Rudisha.
Coe? Never - Cruz? Please - Kipketer? Come on.

The only "great" 1500m runners of the last 64 years are Elliott, Coe, Morceli, El G.
Snell? Nope - Keino? Who? - Ryun? The loser? - Bayi? What's even Tanzania? - Walker? Medium at best - Ovett? The constant loser? - Cram? What a choke - Aouita? With such a name? - Lagat? Couldn't even beat El G - Kiprop? Way too slow. Ingebrigtsen? Come on, should we call him even a runner?

And no, Snell and Walker are definitely no "greats", never had the 1500m WR and both their Mile WRs were inferior to the 1500m one at the time.

Was Tergat "great"? For sure not, constantly beaten by Geb at the Olympics and the World champs. Kiptanui a "great" steepler? Was beaten at the Olympics? Then no. Mike Powell a "great" long jumper? Who has said this? Medium, at best. Beaten by Lewis in 88, 92, 96. What a choke this guy was. 8.95? On a hillside? Barzhim? He can jump, OK. Good, OK, but "great"? Never.

No point telling me all the splits that Jakob made during his 2000m WR run. They were made in super shoes. I have a picture of EL G's spike shoes from the 1990s and boy were they unsightly and downright laughable compared to current technology. And then my eyes poured over the track surface of the 1990s and I nearly acted up as well. Gosh, the track surfaces those days couldn't be any more rigid and unresponsive than current technology as well! And yet El G ran 4:44, 3:26 and 3:43 cleanly with no EPO!! That's just phenomenal talent right there that Jakob cannot sniff ever minus the supershoes, wavelights and fast track surfaces.

No disrespect to Jakob ever, but I only say the truth and nothing but the truth here. They say we should pay respect and homage to our ancestors and predecessors, heck Jakob and co should forever bow in humility, honor and reverence at the KING that is EL G! There is always more substantial value, virtue and dignity in the older generation than in the younger one. Virtues and ethics tend to dilute and dissipate with time so the younger generation are always in an inferior, not superior position than the older generation. Technology and modernity accompanies inferiority in my book, while traditional values and mores from antiquity always accompanies superiority and advancement! Kinda like yin/yang equilibrium ya know?!

Always respect antiquity and the 'stone ages', also your parents and grandparents, because they are superior with superior ethics and virtues than you the younger ones!

Society always gets worst with time, not better, because modernity and technology worsens (corrupts) the human condition/state and accelerates its decline. So please pardon my morals when I say that the older generation of athletes were far better and came from better societies!

Agreed, Jakob can never reach EL G's standard from antiquity. We need to be absolutely honest and know where to put the stress and where to relieve it. We need to stress NO SUPERSHOES, NO WAVELIGHTS, NO MODERN TRACK SURFACES! We need to stress 1998 and 1999! We need to stress antiquity! And of course put the 3:26 and 3:43 on high pedestals as a result!

I don't think the cool temps are that advantageous for middle distance races. I require at least 20 degrees centigrade and above or 70s Fahrenheit for optimal high-performance functioning. Since El G was running in 60s that means he could have also benefitted from a few more seconds of improvement if he ran in 80s! Heat is not so much a factor in distance under 5000m. In fact, I like it hotter the better except the humidity of course.

Impossible for both Jakob and El G to have doped. I understand the meaning and implication of the word 'suspicion' and 'suspicious' as I'm English educated but I'm still unable to holistically find the reserve in me to 'suspect' so, so pardon me. Maybe it's because I'm a good psychoanalyst and understand the laws of human behavior and physics very well. I'm in no way unaware that these athletes were competing in an era or environment full of dopers and doping so my opinion does not stem from ignorance.

It's clear now that Jakob Ingebrigtsen will be the greatest middle distance runner of all time. At 22 years old, he has smashed the world records (world "bests") at 2000m by 1.6 seconds and 2M by 4.5 seconds. He has two World gold medals at 5000m. He has two World silver medals at 1500m, plus one indoors. He has an Olympic gold medal and Olympic record at 1500m. He's run 3:27.14, to go with five times sub-3:29 and ten times sub-3:30. His 2M world record was intrinsically superior to Komen's legendary 7:20.67 world record in the 3000m, having run the last 3k in 7:21. He's run 12:48 for 5000m and has beaten a whole host of low 12:40s guys easily, along with the world record holder in Cheruiyot. The mile world record is easier than the 1500m record and is likely next to go for him. His 2000m time was just 60 seconds over the mile wr. He could likely break the 5000m wr, as his 2M showed. He averaged 3:57/M for his 2M record. The 5000m record pace is 4:03.1. The 1500m wr will be tough for him but he looks like he can run mid 3:26 already in his current form. There will always be EPO suspicions for the previous best ever in the middle distances, El Guerrouj, and this generation's multiple world champion was banned for doping, as was the champ when he rose. With Ingebrigtsen, we have seen his training from an early age through the reality show. He's clean and already with as many Olympic golds at the 1500m as El G and two more world golds at the 5000m, plus almost as many world records. Jakob will soon be recognized as the greatest middle distance runner of all time.

Basically John is trying to apply a 'slippery slope' model of morality to high-performance sport. According to him, high-performance slips down the slippery slope the way human morality slips and slides from right to left or from conservative to liberalism.

While this moral relativism is kinda bad and harmful for the morals of society and the younger generation, it's kinda good for high-performance sport since it obviously aids to improve WRs. It's kinda like the wavelights, if the Brussels diamond league organizers set the wavelights to 4:33, probably Jakob would run 4:33 since he would probably run around 4:44 because the WR was 4:44 in the first place!

Nah, not a sustainable argument for me. All these greatness pales because of supershoes, wavelights and unbelievably doped (with advantageous material elements) track surfaces. I concede that he may run faster and take all the WRs in superficial appearance, but I'm a man of substance and spanking clean morals and so I tend to question the root, the source, the origin, the WHY, HOW, WHEN, WHERE! I deal in the subterranean not the surface!

Of all your ignorant comments, this one takes the cake. Objectively speaking, every single person who has ever competed at a high level would choose mid-60s temps over high-70s temps for a 2000m race.

To everybody on this post, he is just 22 years old. We have been watching him since he was a teenager (and some were watching him even before that). In 2017 the kid qualified for the world championships in the steeplechase for F-sakes! I guess I don't really compare him with anybody because I have never known this much about someone like him. He trains hard and races even harder. My intuition is that losing two world championship 1500s back-to-back might be the best thing that has happened to him competitively. Those losses are going to really stoke his competitive fires. Just remember how young he is and appreciate what he is doing. If he decides to quit tomorrow, we will be the biggest losers - not him.

El Gooch didn’t run any of his records on a dirt track so they didn’t count… you guys talk about new generational tech but are so El Gooch biased that you can’t realize the older milers had to run on dirt. With like, cleats. Barely spikes. So yeah, El G had it super easy. Could he have run his precious 4:44 in dirt? Nope. So clearly he isn’t the true great considering the massive technology boost he had that the true track greats didn’t (rubber track, literally real shoes). It’s gonna be a never ending BS argument.