Pre season top 20 cross country list (Women)

Crosscountryweeklyguide · 2023-07-01T01:30:08-04:00

#1 Florida (Powerhouse Valby) surrounded by UNM consistent scorers provides the right formula for a national title. Look for them to add one more piece to the puzzle. This team is scary good. #2 Colorado. Covert, Baran, herenstein, cook, Starliper make up an irresistible stampede for the buffaloes. They also have depth in 6th and 7th spot. I might have made a mistake not ranking them #1. #3 Nc State Yes, they have proven core but given the uncertainty of tuohy’s return #3 is generous. Henes only needs one surprise star to emerge and most likely she’ll find it. #4 BYUSo many great athletes to choose from. Track season proved the the Cougars are quite remarkable in the area of depth. More possible talent can emerge from multiple places. Top 7 will give them wiggle room and provide them with strength. #5 Utah Led by Plourde and promising young talent this is the Utes time to shine. They will have to fight off a rigorous Pac 12 assault but they got what it takes. #6 NAU Experience combined with rising stars make the Lumberjacks a scary team to contend. Podium not of reach. Mike Smith has the team he’s been waiting for. #7 Stanford The talent pool is clearly there but can they peak at the right time and will their young stars produce under the changing climate from high school to college where many struggle to make the leap. Veteran experience still gives them enough to settle in the top ten. #8 Oklahoma State Dave Smith despite the loss of Cook will rebound. Can they find a hidden talent in their 1500m talent pool? My guess is yes. Taylor Roe coming back to true form gives them the foundation necessary to flourish. #9 UNC the loss of Hansen will provide some discomfort but this team has proven the last couple years that a good result is always attainable when they step to the line. A very steady performance oriented team. They will be ready, they always seem to be ready. #10 Notre Dame The Irish always produced a produce a winning team. There is no reason to believe they can’t rise to the occasion again. People tend to overlook them at their own peril. #11 Oregon I expected more out of the ducks last year but one year later the massive pool of talent that continues to compound make them dangerous and provide a BYU feel of layers of talent. Can their 1500M runners make the leap to steady scorers? Yes! #12 Virginia A remarkable season launched the cavaliers into a top ten finish last year. Tatum David joining the team once again they look ready to take on all challengers. Appleton is a superstar who could contend for a title. NCAA Finals on their home course does not hurt their Chances. #13 Washington Much like Oregon they just lock and load with new firepower and depth. They can withstand injury by piecing together a deep bench. This team has so much upside potential. #14 Toledo A very exciting team didn’t deliver in the big race last year but a year of experience will help. #15 Oregon State Always in the mix, depth becomes an issue. I might have them ranked a little high brute force power in the top 3 make them intriguing. #16 Arkansas Don’t underestimate their winning culture and their youth’s steady progression. This team slowly building and moving in the right direction.#17 Utah Valley kemboi and the crew are full of belief and momentum. I’m fully bought in. The future is now! Utah valley is no longer the little sister of the Utah schools. They are here to stay. #18 Michigan State A team I thought was dangerous last year but I was a year early. This year no reason to believe they can’t breeze through their conference and poise a serious threat on the national level. #19 Providence A very strong team that hasn’t fully peaked yet. Very dangerous and performed well on a national stage last year. A lot of consistency in the upper tier of the top 1/4 of the results to be expected. I’m a big believer in the Friars upside. #20 UCLA The Bruins have some solid pieces. Barnett 44th nationals last year. Frias, freshmen of year ACC was a consistent factor with Duke. McDonell potential for breakout. Bottom two of McKaylie Caesar (Cal State Fullerton transfer) and Mia Kane both strong times in 5k track season near 16 minutes.

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2 years ago 09/07/2023 10:00am EDT

re: rbtrackfan

Next few teams:
7a - Notre Dame- O Markezich 5-10, Chisolm ~40, A Markezich,
Vanderlende , Schager ~75 for ~275 points
7b – Virginia – Appleton 10-15, Atkinson and Menninger ~55, Workman and
David ~75 for ~275 points
9a – Arkansas – Van Camp (is she back?), Thorvaldson, Cochran 40-45, Taborda ~75, Noe ~95 (upside maybe?) for ~ 300 points
9 b - North Carolina -Harrington ~30, Brown ~40, Neglia and O’Shea ~70, Klingbeil ~95 for ~300 points
10 – BYU – Frentheway (via medical red shirt I guess) ~25,
Hutchins and Halladay-Lowry ~40, Davis/Rohatinsky or Alder ~115 for ~350
points.

Might be an oversight ranking Noe lower than David, Schager and O'Shea though so maybe Arkansas should be 7c but big question with Van Camp.

Biggest question is whether the 3 Stanford freshman all deliver.

2 years ago 09/07/2023 10:05am EDT

re: rbtrackfan

rbtrackfan wrote:
2b – Colorado – Hertenstein 5-10, Covert ~20, Baran ~25, Dishon
~40, Baloga~60 for ~170 points (no Cook or Starliper assumed)

Why? Because she ran unattached in the first meet? So did Dishon, Baloga, and Douchette.

Cook will be fine. Probably top-15 and possibly top-10 again.

2 years ago 09/07/2023 10:06am EDT

re: rbtrackfan

rbtrackfan wrote:
woe man wrote:
Please post your rankings rather than insulting some else's.
This is a start for me: Note it looks like NC State and then 5 teams basically even.
1 - NC State – Tuohy, Chmiel, Tyynismaa in top 10, Bush ~20,
Hartman or Loveys ~60 for < 100 points
2a -Northern Arizona – Stearns 5-10, Larkin 15-20, Reiss and
Smee ~35, Grice ~60 for ~170 points
2b – Colorado – Hertenstein 5-10, Covert ~20, Baran ~25, Dishon
~40, Baloga~60 for ~170 points (no Cook or Starliper assumed)
2c – Florida – Valby top 5, Mazza-Downie 10-15, Asekol ~25,
Thorner~40, Donnelly or Wilson ~90 for ~170 points
5a – Stanford – Bunnage ~15, Riggs and Dudek ~30, Jenks ~40,
Kennedy ~70 for ~190 points (3 freshman tho)
5b- Oklahoma State – Roe and Jepkuir ~15, Hentemann ~35,
Born ~50, Galvydyte ~60 for ~190 points
Then the following – maybe I will add detail later
Notre Dame
Virginia
Arkansas
North Carolina
BYU
Alabama
Georgetown
Oregon
New Mexico

Any reason to assume that both Cook and Starliper won't run? Of course with Starliper's history, that would be a fair assumption. But any reason/details on Cook (or Starliper), in terms of their health at this time? If Cook is healthy at nationals (and everyone else healthy per your projection), the race for 1st would get pretty close, with maybe only a 15 point advantage to NC State.

2 years ago 09/07/2023 10:16am EDT

re: Wolfpack1

Cook finished pretty far back at that time trial and well back of others (who seemed to finish together). Just being conservative at this point but her starting point for this season seems low. If she turns into top 30 then Colorad looks like solid 2 by themselves.

Colorado
Time Trial 5.4 K
1-Sep
Samree Dishon
UNA-Colorado
18:53.0
Emily Covert
Colorado
18:53.2
Katie Doucette
UNA-Colorado
18:53.2
Karrie Baloga
UNA-Colorado
18:53.4
Clare Peters
Colo. Sch. of Mines
18:53.7
Holly Moser
Colo. Sch. of Mines
18:58.9
Grace Strongman
Colo. Sch. of Mines
19:00.6
Jenna Ramsey-Rutledge
Colo. Sch. of Mines
19:02.5
Molly Maksin
Colo. Sch. of Mines
19:05.8
Whitney Valenti
Colorado
19:07.7
Natalie Cook
UNA-Colorado
19:17.5

2 years ago 09/07/2023 10:17am EDT

re: people be crazy

people be crazy wrote:
rbtrackfan wrote:
2b – Colorado – Hertenstein 5-10, Covert ~20, Baran ~25, Dishon
~40, Baloga~60 for ~170 points (no Cook or Starliper assumed)
Why? Because she ran unattached in the first meet? So did Dishon, Baloga, and Douchette.
Cook will be fine. Probably top-15 and possibly top-10 again.

Feel free to post your ranking!!

2 years ago 09/07/2023 11:32am EDT

re: rbtrackfan

rbtrackfan wrote:
people be crazy wrote:
Why? Because she ran unattached in the first meet? So did Dishon, Baloga, and Douchette.
Cook will be fine. Probably top-15 and possibly top-10 again.
Feel free to post your ranking!!

Lots of effort in your ranking, thanks.

It's fine to be conservative now w/cook, but just that she ran was promising. It would not be unusual for her to improve by a full minute between now and November, as she regains her fitness.

Freshmen in general. In recent years only about 1 in 5 of the freshmen stars pan out. So far so good this year, but it can't last. Stanford, NAU and Florida need their freshmen the most. CU and NC st can compete without them

2 years ago 09/08/2023 4:15pm EDT

re: rbtrackfan

BYU Opener - looks like all ran- concern must be gap after top 4.
Athlete Time Overall Place
Jenna Hutchins 17:26.2 1st
Carmen Alder 17:26.3 2nd
Aubrey Frentheway 17:33.6 3rd
Lexy Halladay-Lowry 17:34.7 4th
Carlee Hansen 17:58.7 5th
Destiny Everett 18:01.9 6th
Anastaysia Davis 18:14.17 8th
Grace Hutchison 18:22.5 10th
Taylor Rohatinsky 18:35.7 11th
Julie Sumsion 18:43.6 13th

2 years ago 09/08/2023 4:28pm EDT

re: Crosscountryweeklyguide

2 years ago 09/08/2023 4:44pm EDT

re: rbtrackfan

If you look at the splits it seems they mostly stayed together through 2 miles then dropped the hammer to the end- great effort by the top girls, a couple in the chase pack seemed to slow way down the last mile. Promising result for Hutchins

2 years ago 09/08/2023 4:47pm EDT

re: XC.Fan.

these early races are essentially group tempo runs, just getting legs going. Like Alabama football playing an FCS team.

In two weeks the Virginia Invitational will be the real indicator of who's for real.

2 years ago 09/14/2023 8:11am EDT

re: MattHatter

Potential entries for Adidas XC Invitational are out (NC ST Opener). No Tuohy, Bush, Tyynismaa listed for NC St that I can see. Most but not all freshman (and Loveys!) listed as "unnattached". UNC was supposed to be there, but not yet as far as I can see.

https://results.flashresults.com/2023_09-15_Adidas/roster_4col.pdf

2 years ago 09/14/2023 9:03am EDT

re: rbtrackfan

rbtrackfan wrote:
Potential entries for Adidas XC Invitational are out (NC ST Opener). No Tuohy, Bush, Tyynismaa listed for NC St that I can see. Most but not all freshman (and Loveys!) listed as "unnattached". UNC was supposed to be there, but not yet as far as I can see.
Link:results.flashresults.com/2023_09-15_Ad...

Thats interesting. I wonder why Loveys is unnattached? I thought she only had this season for eligibility.

Excited to see Chmiel, Hartman, and Napolean's debut.

2 years ago 09/14/2023 9:12am EDT

re: Blank231

Blank231 wrote:
rbtrackfan wrote:
Potential entries for Adidas XC Invitational are out (NC ST Opener). No Tuohy, Bush, Tyynismaa listed for NC St that I can see. Most but not all freshman (and Loveys!) listed as "unnattached". UNC was supposed to be there, but not yet as far as I can see.
Link:results.flashresults.com/2023_09-15_Ad...
Thats interesting. I wonder why Loveys is unnattached? I thought she only had this season for eligibility.
Excited to see Chmiel, Hartman, and Napolean's debut.

I can only guess that she might be in a 2 year program and is keeping options open right now.

2 years ago 09/14/2023 12:19pm EDT

re: rbtrackfan

2 years ago 09/14/2023 7:43pm EDT

re: rbtrackfan

rbtrackfan wrote:
Potential entries for Adidas XC Invitational are out (NC ST Opener). No Tuohy, Bush, Tyynismaa listed for NC St that I can see. Most but not all freshman (and Loveys!) listed as "unnattached". UNC was supposed to be there, but not yet as far as I can see.
Link:results.flashresults.com/2023_09-15_Ad...

Not at all shocked about the line-up and who is in and who isn't AND who is running in Wolfpack kit and who is running unattached.

KC should easily finish first and I think run an good pace and then see who among her team mates can keep up (e.g., Hartman, Quarzo, etc.) and place themselves in the hunt for the #5 to #7 team slots.

Sort of shocked not to see Brooke Rauber's name among those who pulled a bib.

2 years ago 09/14/2023 11:13pm EDT

re: Crosscountryweeklyguide

2 years ago 09/15/2023 9:00am EDT

re: rbtrackfan

rbtrackfan wrote:
Potential entries for Adidas XC Invitational are out (NC ST Opener). No Tuohy, Bush, Tyynismaa listed for NC St that I can see. Most but not all freshman (and Loveys!) listed as "unnattached". UNC was supposed to be there, but not yet as far as I can see.
Link:results.flashresults.com/2023_09-15_Ad...

Let’s just say that the big winner of the Adidas Challenge right now is Covid! Both men’s and women’s teams decimated. might have a difficult time fielding a full squad. Better now than later.

2 years ago 09/15/2023 6:39pm EDT

re: newyorker

newyorker wrote:
rbtrackfan wrote:
Potential entries for Adidas XC Invitational are out (NC ST Opener). No Tuohy, Bush, Tyynismaa listed for NC St that I can see. Most but not all freshman (and Loveys!) listed as "unnattached". UNC was supposed to be there, but not yet as far as I can see.
Link:results.flashresults.com/2023_09-15_Ad...
Let’s just say that the big winner of the Adidas Challenge right now is Covid! Both men’s and women’s teams decimated. might have a difficult time fielding a full squad. Better now than later.

Did they post about having covid or something?

2 years ago 09/15/2023 7:03pm EDT

re: Blank231

Blank231 wrote:
newyorker wrote:
Let’s just say that the big winner of the Adidas Challenge right now is Covid! Both men’s and women’s teams decimated. might have a difficult time fielding a full squad. Better now than later.
Did they post about having covid or something?

No post I saw but very few ran

2 years ago 09/15/2023 7:24pm EDT

re: rbtrackfan

typical early season race. mainly unattached freshmen, group run.

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