"Bodyshaming" is completely acceptable if it results in massive PRs. The woke PC movement has banned this discussion though.
What if it results in injuries, burn out, long term health damage, or loss of life? Is it woke to not belittle people?
Almost every runner experiences burnout and injuries. Please tell me the CU athletes who have suffered long term health damage or loss of life. I've not heard of any.
Notice how these problems always involve the women. Men never complain about this stuff. Women bring drama and headaches.
Men don’t complain about this stuff because they don’t experience it. People don’t complain about nothing for fun. The women that have enough self respect and come forward about mistreatment are 1000x stronger than the men who don’t experience the same stuff women do.
Men don't experience having their body fat tested or told they need to lose excess body fat to be at their best? Lol, what planet are you living on??
Lance Armstrong once told how Dr Ferrari used to pinch people's stomachs and tell them if he thought they were looking pudgy. "Worked for me" was Lance's comment on the practice. This is how most men view this stuff, because they know it's true. You need to be lean to be at your best.
It’s just that a high percentage of women hate facts and then want to be hailed as a hero for whining when told the truth. It is sad. No one likes to hear criticism but sometimes losing 5 lbs will help you run faster. So why do women then lose 25 when 5 was fine? Because they are nuts!
We have higher quality athletes and more depth in ALL sports across ALL levels.
You have better shoes, better tracks, and better coaching. CU has destroyed at least one sports team caving to the whims of the woke mob. Glad to see they have learned their lesson. Allowing a disgruntled subpar former athlete to dictate how a program is run would be like allowing Uncle Rico to coach a football team.
It’s actually a lot like looking for meaning and credibility in all your insipid stories about your nothingburger running career and alleged connections.
If a member of a very competitive team is not performing to their own expectations, or is experiencing injury, many will put their frustrations on the coaching staff or the other runners. I saw it myself as a runner, and I even saw it on my daughter's HS soccer team this Spring.
I've publicly complained about the college program I ran for. I had some rough moments in my freshman year with injuries, but actually all the things I complained about were things that happened when I was doing well or where things I saw happen to other athletes that I thought were wildly inappropriate. I don't attribute any of my poor performances or injuries to the program specifically but I think I would have done a bit better somewhere else. Most of my problems were related to an undiagnosed medical condition.
I was also injured for a bit in high school. I didn't blame my HS coach for that. He was a good dude. My HS team was quite good and well-respected. I don't think anyone under my HS coach had any accusations of him being toxic in his 30+ year career. He coached a few future NCAA champs in his tenure. I and a few of my teammates had disordered eating issues in HS, but this wasn't anything that was encouraged by our coach. Eating disorders are very common in teens, particularly those that are high achieving/perfectionist and in sports like track. To some extent they may occur no matter what, but if you're straight up telling someone they're fat there's a good chance you push them into it. Did any of y'all actually read the entire report and see some of the quotes in there? Yikes.
It's a huge cop out to go with the "jilted ex-lover" stereotype for athletes who complain about the programs they are involved with. You can develop a high performance program that doesn't cause psychological harm to people. In fact your program will probably be a lot better if you don't. CU and schools like the one I went to threw away a lot of talent by breaking them. Some of them quit the sport entirely and some transferred to other schools where they had performances that would have put them in our top 7 if they'd stayed their entire career.
Wow! You provided an example. No one said men do not have eating disorders. It’s just not as widespread and rarely do the men go after coaches because of THEIR disorder.
If people support the idea of body composition bring important to performance that's fine, but what stands out here is that all three people in power were using notably outdated and bad tactics that are not used and have been DISCREDITED in other institutions and sports to get to their end point. Then they lied about the importance, how they used it, and insisted it was a sound method, which is not a great look.
Yeah skin folds is bushleague lol. Seems kind of like the dietitian like having absolute control and/or wasn't very up to date on literature. Also seems like not very up to date on stuff like RED-S. If someone isn't getting their period the last thing you tell them is to lose weight lol. When you're not eating enough your body doesn't necessarily burn fat so your BF% doesn't go down a huge amount. You lose weight from your bones and by losing muscle mass which just sets you up for being injured and slow.
We aimed to (a) report energy availability (EA), metabolic/reproductive function, bone mineral density, and injury/illness rates in national/world-class female and male distance athletes and (b) investigate the robustness of...
You don’t even understand the meaning of “never,” there’s nothing worthwhile contained in any of your thoughts here.
A normal person would have parsed the sentence as "athlete-coach grievance stories very disproportionately involve women complaining and initiating complaints, and men rarely if ever complain about feeling shamed"
Not sure you know this but RED-S is a fake syndrome invented by woke big Pharma industrial complex. If only you were based and red-pilled you'd know this.
If people support the idea of body composition bring important to performance that's fine, but what stands out here is that all three people in power were using notably outdated and bad tactics that are not used and have been DISCREDITED in other institutions and sports to get to their end point. Then they lied about the importance, how they used it, and insisted it was a sound method, which is not a great look.
Yeah skin folds is bushleague lol. Seems kind of like the dietitian like having absolute control and/or wasn't very up to date on literature. Also seems like not very up to date on stuff like RED-S. If someone isn't getting their period the last thing you tell them is to lose weight lol. When you're not eating enough your body doesn't necessarily burn fat so your BF% doesn't go down a huge amount. You lose weight from your bones and by losing muscle mass which just sets you up for being injured and slow.
Notice how these problems always involve the women. Men never complain about this stuff. Women bring drama and headaches.
Notice how male coaches have been profiting of the backs of women and so many of you are scrambling for those open positions for that drama though.
If male coaches truly believe that women are nothing but headaches and drama, they are more than welcome to stop "coaching" us, and fight for the positions with guys only. Male coaches comprise something like 65-80% of the coaching population in the NCAA. So you guys take up a lot of positions and manage to complain a lot about your source of income. It's a little tired. Especially when as this investigation shows you rusty at the job anyways.
If yall find us so difficult, quit. Disparaging us and saying we are *mental* and *headaches* does nothing for us, so why you here? Oh. To make money, strive for prestige off our efforts all while tearing us down. There are a bunch of up and coming women who are more than willing to take your job, and probably respect us more, be more up to date on coaching science and be better at the job.
If people support the idea of body composition bring important to performance that's fine, but what stands out here is that all three people in power were using notably outdated and bad tactics that are not used and have been DISCREDITED in other institutions and sports to get to their end point. Then they lied about the importance, how they used it, and insisted it was a sound method, which is not a great look.
Yeah skin folds is bushleague lol. Seems kind of like the dietitian like having absolute control and/or wasn't very up to date on literature. Also seems like not very up to date on stuff like RED-S. If someone isn't getting their period the last thing you tell them is to lose weight lol. When you're not eating enough your body doesn't necessarily burn fat so your BF% doesn't go down a huge amount. You lose weight from your bones and by losing muscle mass which just sets you up for being injured and slow.
Pretty certain they have read this and other studies like it, and would not try to endanger their athletes. Simpson, Coburn, Goucher and others have had remarkably long careers. Most injuries like this (particularly in women) are the product of dieting like this when they are growing (in other words long before they come to CU). As much as you might dislike comp testing and other metrics top coaches use, they can also serve to alert a coach when an athlete is pushing too close to the razors edge that elite athletes train on.
Low performance is also linked to lack of talent, lack of work ethic. I would say there is a much larger correlation. Toxicity is the word of the day that the toxic students themselves use against coaches. The small sample size shows a higher percentage were happy at an elite running program. If I were a coach there is no way I would have more than 13-15 female distance runners. Every year is is the crappy athletes that were given an opportunity and failed that complain and get people fired. Why any coach would let more than 15 women distance runners into a program is beyond me. Like for gender equity which is in itself a farce. A huge percentage of the complainers around the country each year fit a very similar profile - low performing walk on or low dollar white female distance runners that have mental health/confidence issues that are oh so happy to be propelled to hero status. No thanks. Speaking of toxic - they are toxic. Limit those numbers and you have a happier healthier program.
Having a large number of women athletes can help with Title IX compliance.
Yeah CU is so terrible and has such a bad culture that Cook, Starliper, and now Dishon are all running to the mountains of Colorado?!?!?! Watch out NCAA here comes the Buffs this fall!!!!
I stayed up to 1 am to read the final 5 pages I hadn't read to see if anyone had pointed that out.
Will it not be kind of hilarious if they win NCAA xc next year thanks to 3 transfers when the first few pages were full of people saying, "No one will run for them ever again." CU seems to do way better in the portal than in HS recruiting. To nab an impressionable HSer, you have to do a LOT of work and really inflate their egos a lot. Not something Mark wants to do.
To get a transfer, they often come to you, particularly at CU as a lot of athletes want to try altitude.
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