My daughter is competing against two boys this weekend in California 1600 State Championships

What if Saddie loses to either one? Is CIF finally going to take a different approach? This is a major issue for ALL girls!

Nailed it.

Exactly. 90% of us dont sign off on this.

Right, but it should be clear that after hormone treatments, a 2:00 flat guy will not be competitive and the faster a male runner is, the less likely he’s going to compete prior to transitioning.

You got it but watch those PEDS.

We frown on PEDS yep unfair advantage well what is this trans stuff not about......unfair advantage.

Whole damn thing is totally stupid.

Highschool competition also matters to these young athletes (including podium finishes, opportunities to advance etc). It certainly mattered to me at that age.

I agree that biological boys / males should not be competing biological against girls / women.

But honestly can we ALL admit that it is pretty hilarious and absurd that anything trans related is by far the most important and angering and upsetting and obsessive issue for so many conservatives?? There are something like 5 threads a day started about anything trans related on these boards and the right wing media cannot stop talking about everything trans related. OBSESSED.

This is really the most important and most pressing and upsetting issue in the world for you guys?

Headlines like this just get a simple shrug and are ignored by the same conservatives-

nytimes.com

Sex Abuse in Catholic Church: Over 1,900 Minors Abused in Illinois, State Says

By Ruth Graham

A new report by the attorney general of Illinois covering decades names more than 450 credibly accused sexual abusers, including priests and lay religious brothers.

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Innocent people and children getting gunned down every day in America? "Oh well nothing we can do."

10,000's of children getting molested by Christian leaders for decades and decades in our country? "hey s*** happens."

Tens of thousands of women being sexually assaulted by men for decades and decades? "Boys will be boys."

Bud Light did some deal with a trans activist and some biological male is unfairly competing against the girls?? "This has got to stop! This is the end of the world! This is the greatest Injustice in the history of mankind!!! WE...NEED...TO STOP THIS NOWWWWW!"

Lol. Like I said I agree it is unfair but y'all's level of outrage and obsessiveness over anything trans is out of control. Just admit it.

If you want to blame anything in politics for this, blame gerrymandering.

People who think for themselves rarely agree with a candidate or party on everything. Even people ardently against allowing transwomen into female sports competitions would rank that issue well below other issues, like abortion, guns, taxes, inflation, healthcare, civil rights, etc.

The issue is sort of like guns for Republicans. Most Republican voters are in favor of some degree of greater gun control, they just don't vote based upon that issue. But because some of them do, Republican politicians have taken an extreme position on the issue.

Same thing here. Most Democrats are not in favor of allowing transwomen into female sports (if you don't believe me, read the comment section from any NYT article about similar topics -- most comments and an overwhelming number of upvotes are against transwomen in female sports). But nearly all would view abortion as being a far bigger issue for women's rights than track races, so they vote accordingly. Democratic politicians, however, cater to the extreme elements of their respective party, just like Republicans do.

School representative says this not the athlete.

That is not at all 'clear'. Far from it. In fact studies done on 'trans' identifying individuals who have undergone TWO YEARS of hormone therapy performed on average 12% faster in running tests than similarly trained females. And one study showed that some males are 'nonresponders' to hormone therapy. Their testosterone levels are unaffected by attempts to lower them.

And again, even IF hormone levels were equalized (something that studies show would take more than two years and may in fact never be possible to achieve), they are working with a body with a larger heart, bigger lungs, narrower hips, NO worries about periods affecting performance. They will have a higher VO2 max capacity. Countless advantages! You don't even have to take a 2:00 guy. If you said who's more likely to run 1:54, this guy who currently runs 2:15 or this woman who runs 1:58? I'd even bet on THAT guy, never mind the 2:00 guy lol. It's irrelevant though. Even the most untalented 3:00 male 800 runner should not be competing against females, because he is not one.

You slither around with your deflections - "as-is" is implicitly recognition that there is a problem with biological males competing "as-is" against females. But that's what many claim they should be able to do. Sporting bodies are trying to devise solutions that may satisfy both sides of the argument. But the argument begins with the insistence that trans women have a right to compete as women. For those who believe women's sport - female sport - is a protected category that is unacceptable.

You’re getting a little carried away. The 2:15 guy, unless he’s still in elementary school, is not going to run 1:54 some day. There is no case of a distance runner retaining 100% of his speed while there are two examples, Eastwood and Semenya , that slowed significantly after hormone treatments.

At the current time, there are no unconditional bans of transgender athletes being discussed at levels above high school.

He likely could have - in terms of time - in 1976, when he was running at high school. He was not arguing whether or not he would have been eligible to compete. You're a moron.

That’s correct which is why it will ultimately be decided in court. The requirement of pre-puberty treatments was not a compromise so it is likely to be challenged.

Trans will still be able to compete as females in athletics if they have transitioned before puberty. But that doesn't apply to all other sports. The debate is far from resolved.

Which organization is trying to make it easier for trans athletes to compete?

All the recent changes are in the other direction.

My son went from a 2:18 freshman high school to a 1:53 college sophomore

There isn't "more to it" - there is less - less testosterone for a start. Although trans advocates argue they should be able to compete as female because they identify as such WA has changed to rules so they would have to show they transitioned before puberty. So they lose their male advantages. But this has only just occurred because of the mounting concern for women's sports.