I ran the inaugural Indianapolis Life Masters circuit back in the mid-90s. There were guys doped to the gills, and prize money involved. As well as I was running, I was always just out of the podium and money. Pissed me off.
How do you know they were doped to the gills? Because they beat you? If you were just off the podium then you were obviously doping as well. See how it works?
I ran the inaugural Indianapolis Life Masters circuit back in the mid-90s. There were guys doped to the gills, and prize money involved. As well as I was running, I was always just out of the podium and money. Pissed me off.
How do you know they were doped to the gills? Because they beat you? If you were just off the podium then you were obviously doping as well. See how it works?
That is an incredible performance. My personal stance on this is she probably is a person that leads a very healthy lifestyle to run that time at age 59. also staying healthy and injury free and smart training. Not sure her background but possibly someone who wasn’t pounding it and running a lot for many years between the ages of 20 to 40? iIn any circumstance incredible time. congratulations!!
look her times up from the 2009-2012 period. it's not like she was a hobby jogger that just decided to get serious 10 years ago. She was in her mid 40s and ran very similar times. you get around 10 years to peak and it looks like she peaked back then. Do you really believe that between the ages of 45-59, when the rest of the running world is just trying to not get injured and slow down, that she was able to train even harder and run faster? Sure, there are variations in genetics but this is such an outlier that it is really hard to believe that there is anything natural about it.
Does anybody know what this is equivalent to on an aged based basis. Is that 245 equivalent to a sub 220 as a 30 year old? Just curious. Would like to embark on running again after a very long rest. Best I can hope for maybe is sub 3 on a good day.
From an earlier post: This lady has fresher legs and her 2:45 marathon age grades to 2:08:47 for an open age female. That's way beyond what even Hassan could run at Berlin.
How do you know they were doped to the gills? Because they beat you? If you were just off the podium then you were obviously doping as well. See how it works?
Jenny just stop. It's too obvious.
I am a woman, but I am not even in the same continent as Jenny. You are trying too hard.
former runner, no one is arguing that testosterone is a performance enhancing and recovery aid, so you are deflecting the discussion.
However, for years and years now you have been insinuating and outright stating--over, and over, and over--that anyone over 40 running somewhat fast (faster than you? lol), say above 80% age grade is more than likely be on some sort of testosterone replacement therapy. And that anyone who declines <1 must be on the sauce. I disagree, and tire of your frequent semi-informed, but same old same old "it's all about the T with masters runners."
And it's not just TRT for performance enhancement & recovery, but growth hormone (Rx required), & DHEA (Dehydroepiandrostone - sold OTC in the U.S. as a dietary supplement).
Coyote - I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I haven't for years been "insinuating" or "outright stating" that fast masters over 80% AG are using TRT. I don't where you're getting that from.
About 3 yrs ago or so (pre-Covid), I use to post fairly regularly on your 50+ Grandmasters forum under "Stocky Old Runner" (I'm sure you remember). I corresponded a lot to "Allan1959" - since we are both bigger runners & were experiencing some significant injuries. I wasn't bringing up TRT nor insinuating any of faster runners there were using TRT
That was back when I could still run a little bit in my late 50s - so I liked reading the posts & jumping in now & then. But I can longer run because of chronic injuries & post-traumatic OA with possible joint replacement surgery on the horizon. So, I'm doing non-competitive BB & non-weightbearing cardio (hence the new user name). And I don't post anymore on that forum but do read Allen's posts & follow his journey with his injuries & medical issues.
So, I don't know how prevalent TRT/HRT/DHEA is with fast master's athletes - you'd be a better judge of that. I do recall back when I was with the local masters club (over 10 yrs ago) there were maybe 1 or 2 guys using TRT & few more using DHEA including a 40 yr 30 minute 10k runner.
As I mentioned in my initial post, I'm more familiar with what is going on in my gym. As I said, many middle-aged guys as well as some younger guys are using TRT like crazy (they're very transparent about it & some like to brag about it. Lol). But these are guys hitting the weights & doing stair stepper, eleptical, spin bike, etc for their cardio (a few guys over the yrs have told me they run some local 5k/10k charity runs now & then - but they're by no means competitive runners).
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