2023 Arcadia Invitational (*Official Thread)

I have no clue about NP, however, a number of kids have come down with the flu this week. Some prominent kids scratched the mile and 3,200m due to sickness.

Someone mentioned Taylor ewert being in the portal also, same issue as starliper dealing with nagging injuries!

This helps put German Fernandez’s SAME DAY (1.5 hours apart I believe) 4:00 1600m + 8:34 3200m into perspective. With ZERO competition in either race.

But Simmons being just a junior is the differentiator. Absolute beast.

Yes, Hawkins was 10 seconds off her PR in the mile AFTER a 10:34 PR in the seeded section of the 3200. Sax tried to hang with a very fast pace and it cost her. But that also happened to other good runners in both the boys' and girls' invitational 3200s. Don't know about the scratches but may be due to illness or injury. You can't fault performances of scratched runners. Cantu PR'd in 8:57. So it wasn't the terrible night you thought it was. Disappointing that not everyone was able to run, but they'll be back.

You made a handle on this? Brosnan is NP's biggest fan. As for me, I am not going to criticize a program simply because it is the best distance program in American history, so I am swimming against the red tide here.

I may have a few things off here, but this is the list I wrote down yesterday of the team's performances, plus Lex and Leo Young. Try matching this anywhere in history in the U.S.

3:40, 3:59.9 1600, 4:03, 4:08, 4:16.

4:22, 4:23, 4:26, 4:27, 4:30

4:36, 4:38, 4:39, 4:41, 4:57. Many of those guys are underclassmen, with freshmen at 4:27, 4:30, 4:41, and 4:57.

At 3000/3200m:

7:57/8:35 (Lex), 8:03 (Aaron), 8:39 (Leo), 8:57 (Seymour), 8:57 (Cantu), 9:02 (Doshi last year)

No other programs in their history have had five guys under 9, have they? Not in one year certainly. They look like they'll have six. Three was the old record for Chapa's team in the 1970s.

any info on if that’s what causes the scratches in the sprint events?

Excuses, excuses. Is it really that hard to admit it was a rough day?

Not making it to the start line is not good, regardless of the reason. Every time someone doesn’t perform well, there is usually a reason, whether it’s poor tactics, training issues, or something else.

Cantu ran well. The rest of NP, not a good day. Is that somehow a hot take or controversial? Hope the kids that scratched are OK and it was just a short term issue.

If Brosnan is the number 1 fan, your 1a.

Lex and Leo are not on the NP team. They were the greatest team in history. They are not any more and it’s only going to get worse.

No Alan Webb would not have dropped 16 seconds on a better track. There is another great miler who did run a better 2 mile than Alan though, and likely could've gotten much closer (maybe 2 seconds or so back) to Verzbicas than anyone else.

Hobbs Kessler sat on Gavin Sherry for 2818m and then closed in a 56 to run 8:39.

Splits for the 43 under 9 minutes last night plus their college commit

8:34.10 Sr Simeon Birnbaum(SD)61.38,65.99,66.45,65.58(4:19.39),66.14,64.88,64.41,59.30(4:14.73,2:03.71 last 800m ) Oregon
8:34.14 Jr Daniel Simmons(UT)62.71,65.20,66.31,64.35(4:18.54),66.42,65.17,64.60,59.43(4:15.62,2:04.03 last 800m)
8:34.78 Sr Rocky Hansen(NC) 62.41, 66.75,65.16,65.61(4:19.93),64.33,66.30,64.70,59.54(4:14.87,2:04.24 last 800m)
Wake Forest
8:41.67 Sr Connor Burns(MO) 61.65,67.17,64.12,66.56,(4:19.49), 65.57, 63.80, 64.33, 68.51(4:22.21,2:12.84 last 800m)
Oregon
8:43.19 Sr Noah Jenkins (UT) 65.42, 65.52, 66.58,66.06(4:23.57),65.40,65.57,65.92,62.75(4:19.64,2:08.67 last 800m)
Southern Utah
8:44.20 Sr Liam Heninger(UT) 63.49, 67.32, 65.80,66.48(4:23.07), 66.07, 65.76,64.97, 64.35(4:21.15,2:09.32 last 800m)
BYU
8:44.95 Jr Patrick Koon(FL) 66.65, 65.98,64.47,66.32(4:23.41),65.93,66.29, 66.09,63.25(4:21.56,2:09.34 last 800m)
8:46.41 Sr Zack Munson(WA) 63.78, 64.74, 65.51, 66.95(4:20.95), 64.23,65.97,68.32,66.96(4:25.48,2:15.28 last 800m)
NAU
8:46.50 Jr Jason Parra(CA) 63.31, 64.59,66.23,64.73(4:18.84),67.11,64.96,67.46,68.14(4:27.67,2:15.90 last 800m)
8:46.87 Jr JoJo Jourdan(UT) 65.44,
66.54, 65.77,66.41,(4:24.15), 64.82,
67.08, 64.82, 66.03(4:22.75, 2:10.85
last 800m)
8:47.45 Sr Jacob Nenow(OR)
67.20, 65.97, 66.45,65.20(4:24.80),
67.47, 67.83,65.43,61.93(4:22.66,2:07.36
last 800m)
TN
8:47.60 So Vince Recupero(WA) 65.76, 66.26,65.96,65.96(4:23.92), 64.60,68.38,67.59,63.12(4:23.69,2:10.71 last 800m)
8:47.85 Sr Colin Boler(NJ) 64.71,67.97, 66.62,67.22(4:26.50), 67.20,66.19,66.54,61.44(4:21.37,2:07.98 last 800m)
Princeton
8:48.24 Sr Weston Brown(MT) 64.10,65.18,66.76,66.21(4:22.24), 67.35,66.71,70.09,61.86(4:26.01, 2:11.95 last 800m)
Princeton
8:49.21 Jr Grant Morgenfield(CA) 65.35,67.56,64.74,65.30(4:22.94),66.83,66.97,67.27,65.22(4:26.29,2:12.49 last 800m)
8:49.61 Jr Ethan Hogan(IL) 66.89,65.76,65.84,65.93(4:24.41), 66.01,67.64,65.89,65.67(4:25.21,2:11.56 last 800m)
8:49.82* Sr Pierre Attiogbe(DC) 65.21,66.97,67.27,68.63(4:28.07), 68.71,66.99,64.69,61.38(4:21.77, 2:06.07 last 800m)
Cornell
8:50.26*
Jr Nathan Neil(MT)
65.49,67.45,68.88,69.13(4:30.94),
67.13,67.28,63.98,60.95(4:19.34, 2:04.93
last 800m)
8:50.79 Jr Carter Spradling(CA) 65.08, 65.06,66.51,67.28(4:23.91), 67.14,68.44,66.76,64.56(4:26.90, 2:11.32 last 800m)
8:51.40* Jr Anthony Fasthorse(CA) 65.46,67.90,68.03,69.38(4:30.75), 66.72,66.99,63.88,63.09(4:20.68, 2:06.97 last 800m)
8:51.50 Sr Jacob Laney(NC) 66.09, 66.39, 64.26,66.09(4:22.82), 67.37,68.31,66.36,66.66(4:28.70, 2:13.02 last 800m)
UNC-Chapel Hill
8:52.78*
Jr Paul Bergeron(MA)64.72,
67.13,69.37,67.39(4:28.59)67.92,67.25,65.58,63.46(4:24.21, 2:09.04 for last 800m)
8:52.81*
Sr Brody Hartley(WA)
63.20,68.82,68.11,68.42(4:28.55), 68.80,67.48,65.62,62.38(4:24.28, 2:08.00 last 800m)
Notre Dame
8:53.07 Jr Emmanuel Perez(CA) no recorded splits
8:53.66 Sr Matthew Donis(CA) 65.11,
65.84,63.99,66.19(4:21.12),
68.20,65.58,69.68,69.11(4:32.57, 2:17.80
last 800m)
8:53.77*
Jr Parker Simmons(CA)
65.18,67.32,68.87,68.55(4:29.91),66.73,67.28,64.89,64.98(4:23.88,2:09.87 last 800m)
8:54.19*Sr Owen Bosley(WI)64.17,68.04,67.94,70.14(4:30.27),66.70,66.96,64.83,65.45(4:23.94,2:10.28 last 800m)
Harvard
8:54.32*
Sr Charlie Ortmans(VA)
65.01,66.99,68.52,69.08(4:29.59),
67.39,67.05,66.66,63.66(4:24.73,2:10.29
last 800m)
Harvard
8:54.43*
Sr Christian Groendyk(CO) 65.86,67.47,68.33,68.86(4:30.51),67.69,67.25,68.15,60.86(4:23.95, 2:14.94 last 800m)
Princeton
8:54.85*Sr Daegan Cutter(CA) 66.66,66.70,68.51,68.24(4:30.08), 67.77, 67.00,68.42,61.59(4:24.78, 2:10.01 last 800m)
8:54.93*
Sr Nate Boutin(NY)
65.44,67.67,69.25,68.71(4:31.06),67.77,69.56,65.91,60.64(4:23.88, 2:06.55 last 800m)
Loyola
8:55.10*
Sr Joseph Perazzo(NY)
67.09,67.17,68.90,68.30(4:31.45)67.72,66.98,66.17,62.79(4:23.66,2:08.96 last 800m)
Florida
8:55.52* Jr Josh Bell(CA)
64.54,67.34,70.31,68.92(4:31.10),
67.73,68.14,65.12,63.45(4:24.44, 2:08.57
last 800m)
8:56.11* Jr Luke Thopmpson(TN)64.87,67.87,68.70,68.86(4:30.29),67.58,68.03,66.15,64.08(4:25.84,2:10.23 last 800m)
8:56.86*
Sr Ethan Miller(CA)
65.48,65.90,67.60,71.54(4:30.51)
66.44,68.25,68.65,63.03(4:26.37,2:11.68
last 800m)
8:57.18 Sr Cruize Corvin(WA) 65.90,64.54,66.34,67.52(4:24.28), 65.40,68.54,70.41,68.56(4:32.91, 2:18.97 last 800m)
Washington
8:57.26*
Sr Aaron Cantu(CA) 65.47,67.65,68.86,68.97(4:30.94),68.48,67.37,67.90,62.58(4:26.33,2:10.48 last 800m)
8:57.47*
Jr Dawson Reeves (NC) 66.16,67.27,69.05,67.00(4:29.45),67.72,67.02,66.99,66.31(4:28.04,2:13.30 last 800m)
8:57.77*
Sr Maximus Haynia(NY) 66.84,67.63,69.31,67.82(4:31.59),67.38,67.60,66.33,64.88(4:26.19,2:11.21 last 800m)
Army
8:58.72 Jr Andrew Hauser (MO)66.27,66.52,65.99,66.03(4:24.80),66.00,69.08,70.75,68.11(4:33.94, 2:18.86 last 800m)
8:59.12*
Sr Sean Morello(CA) 63.52,67.88,69.17,69.32(4:29.87), 67.62,67.04,68.05,66.56(4:29.27,2:14.61 last 800m)
Duke
8:59.25**
Jr Will Brunner(CO)
64.95,72.06,67.61,68.67(4:33.27),
68.48,68.97,68.72,59.82(4:25.99, 2:08.54
last 800m)
8:59.28** Jr Porter Middaugh(CO)
65.43,71.07,68.12,68.07(4:32.68),
67.98,68.51,68.27,61.86(4:26.62,2:10.13
last 800m)
8:59.46 Sr Devan Kipyego(RI) 65.75,66.37,64.06,64.40(4:20.57),66.85,71.30,69.95,70.83(4:38.93, 2:20.78 last 800m)
Iowa State
9:00.66 Sr Jaron Hartshorn(UT) 65.44, 66.88, 66.58, 67.40(4:26.29), 68.10,70.09,69.62,66.57(4:34.38, 2:16.19 last 800m)
BYU
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Not same day on a better track, not what i said at all. I said when he was in 3:53 shape , he could have and most likely would have in s set up race run 8:30

i still believe that.

He would have run 8:40-42 at the Armory when he crushed Brannen at Md Sportplex a very avg flat track.

Not sure how anyone could really argue it. Webb was in absurd shape. I will quibble with one thing, PG is about as fast a flat track as you will find (the Winston Salem one by reputation as well). That being said, it is slower than an OK banked track having run on it and the Reggie for instance.

Hey Has or had it been resurfaced? When you ran there?

I was as at the Armory when it was THE new speedway

Elzie Coleman ran 45. X there

XMan 20.80?

i saw Webbs first sub 4 at the Armory and the 8:45 at PG

and stepped on both..no comparison to me. , but will take your word for it

Oh the Armory is still way faster. Dont know on PG’s current surface it was a pretty standard rubber surface it felt like at the time. I’d say a few seconds per mile slower than the Armory. So I’d agree you can make a nice adjustment to a 2 mile there of 5-7 seconds. Likely more for BU which might be a half second faster in the mile than the Armory with the boards. But PG was way better than most of the flat tracks I ran on like Haverford, Ursinus et al.

Valor Christian boasts an unrivaled tandem of elite 3200m runners, with Brooke Wilson (9:59.49) and Cole Sprout (8:40.73) poised to claim the title of the fastest female and male prep runners from the same school.

I'm really impressed with many of the college commitments- Ivies, ND, Duke, among others.

Webb had 3 seconds on Colin in the mile but Colin definitely had better strength. I’m not giving Webb 7 seconds over him in the 2, although maybe Sahlman could’ve been faster too

He definitely could have. They went out too fast last year and it looked to me like Sahlman was within himself after regathering.