RunRagged wrote:
I asked you to post the full text of the paper reporting the results of the Williams Institute "study" of unverified and unverifiable self-reports of being victimized that trans-identified persons made in a survey that supposedly proves your claim that males who identify as trans experience "4x the violence" - including male sexual violence such as rape and male domestic and intimate partner violence - as females whom you choose to denigrate as "cis."
I asked this so that everyone on LRC could see this "study" and the methodology and the info on which it's based for ourselves. Instead, you merely posted a link to an abstract that says even less than the press release you posted in the first place - and which I have already critiqued paragraph by paragraph in an earlier post.
I find it rich that you expect everyone on this thread to pay 30-odd US dollars to read the actual paper.
Seems to me that if you were really confident that this paper makes a thoroughly convincing case that able-bodied adult males like Lia Thomas, Emily Bridges, Molly Cameron, Hannah Mouncey, Caitlyn Jenner - and the cyclist who last weekend violently used the bike he was carrying to body-slam a female cyclist in the Women's Elite race at the USA Cyclocross Championships - really are "the most vulnerable and most victimized group society" like you allege, then you'd be champing at the bit to share what it actually says by posting the text.
BTW, the recent NHL-sponsored all-trans hockey tournament doesn't support your contention that males who identify as women are "the most vulnerable and victimized" demographic. Team Pink, which was heavily stacked with strapping "transwomen" beat the pants off all the other teams - and in the final game easily trounced Team Black, which was comprised mostly of female trans-identified players, by a score of 7-1. The score would have been more lopsided had not the males on Team Pink decided to hold back in the second half. Also, tellingly, all 8 goals scored in the final game were made by males.
Equally telling, one of the trans-identified male players without using much in the way of effort or force at all ended up knocking a trans-identified female player face-down on the ice and head-first into the boards - causing the felled female player to be concussed and carried off the ice on a stretcher and taken to hospital.
Can you really say with a straight face that the trans-identified males in that hockey tournament were the most vulnerable persons there - and the male player who decked and concussed a female player without even trying to was more vulnerable and at risk of being victimized than the female skater who ended up in the hospital with head, neck and shoulder injuries?
First off, I’m calling bs on you that you reached out to obtain this study. I wrote the investigators and they responded within hours to my query. You can do the same and get the paper directly from them and ask them questions. They are more than happy to share their work. As for the link, I can’t bend the rules for the journal. I was unaware a fee was required to see the paper because when I click the link I see the entire paper, probably because of where I work. Regardless, if you want the whole paper, you can have it for the asking. You didn’t try and you know it. Doesn’t matter to you anyway because no data is going to change your mind.
As for your general arguments, you peddle in anecdotes and one off stories that are meaningless and mean spirited. You reference a criminal here or a huckster there and use these stories to brand an entire group of people. These stories are identical to those told for time in memorial to justify discrimination against people of color and immigrants. You claim you want to treat trans people with humanity and dignity, but then in literally in the next sentence reference dodgy behavior or nefarious aims. You seriously want us to have a point of view about trans people and make policy decisions based on data you provide regarding incarcerated felons? That’s laughable. You generously tell us that not ALL trans people are predators, narcissists, sociopaths. How about telling us that you are sure it’s a only a very very few? Can you say that? I’m sure you can’t. You start from a place of derision and suspicion.
I live and work among many trans people, and they are overwhelming good people just trying to live their lives. One of my colleagues is a young trans woman and another is a young trans man. You would have no idea of their sex at birth based on their external appearances. Of course not. It would be shameful to force them to use the bathroom and locker room not in accordance with their gender. How would you enforce your rules? Are you going to post a genital inspector at the front door, are you going to ask people to carry around their birth certificate? Will you employ gender confirmation monitors prowling these areas and asking for proof of sex for anybody who seems a “bit off?” What a joke.
No, you peddle in language that is identical to Marjorie Taylor Green’s on this topic. You don’t like being compared to her? Tell me how your view differs than hers? She must be your political hero, championing the cause that is so important to you at the national level.
You’ve seemed to have found a safe haven for your views on LRC. Good for you. Maybe I’m the only one on these boards who thinks your language on the topic does a horrible disservice to a group of people who don’t deserve your opprobrium.
