I'm defending him? I never heard of him. I still dont know if he is a trainer or a doctor make up your mind. No one but you heard of him. And I'm not defending him and stated he should lose his license if what he supposedly stated is true.
Kanye put his foot in his mouth and as Chappele said regarding Adidas, the student surpassed the master.
Not sure why you think your ignorance of the facts is a winning argument. The guy is a trainer not a doctor. I made this clear. Not sure why you accuse me of not knowing the details about this guy that you admittedly never heard of.
My ignorance of Pasternak is predicated on the fact that he's not some famous trainer I should know. You seem to be surprised I never heard of him. And how could a trainer threaten to institutionalize and drug up a guy who is diagnosed with bipolar? I mistakenly thought this world famous renowned Pasternak was a Dr. According to Candace Owen's, a friend of Kanye, he had an incident with a Dr who was Jewish.
Nevertheless I never defended Pasternak as you clearly stated.
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kinda weird to say something that is not an insult, yet it is seen as antisemitic. "Most of the biggest producers and studio executives in Hollywood are Jewish." is hardly an insult, if anything it's a complement.
"Most of the CEO's of major corporations attend Ivy League schools" is that an insult?
kinda weird to say something that is not an insult, yet it is seen as antisemitic. "Most of the biggest producers and studio executives in Hollywood are Jewish." is hardly an insult, if anything it's a complement.
"Most of the CEO's of major corporations attend Ivy League schools" is that an insult?
No, but the implication that They act against others for their own aggrandizement is which is often stated here. And blaming them for your own troubles is as well.
It's like the poster in another thread who gave statistics on a certain group that is involved in gun crimes. Is he just stating innocuous facts or is it a racist trope?
Not sure why you think your ignorance of the facts is a winning argument. The guy is a trainer not a doctor. I made this clear. Not sure why you accuse me of not knowing the details about this guy that you admittedly never heard of.
My ignorance of Pasternak is predicated on the fact that he's not some famous trainer I should know. You seem to be surprised I never heard of him. And how could a trainer threaten to institutionalize and drug up a guy who is diagnosed with bipolar? I mistakenly thought this world famous renowned Pasternak was a Dr. According to Candace Owen's, a friend of Kanye, he had an incident with a Dr who was Jewish.
Nevertheless I never defended Pasternak as you clearly stated.
Pasternak was one of the matters Ye discussed on the podcast that resulted in the initial attacks on him from organized Jewry.
Hence you don't have the facts if you don't know about him.
Ye is not bipolar. More self serving lies from the usual suspects.
These Hollywood elites and the media moguls and orgs like the ADL are simply evil
kinda weird to say something that is not an insult, yet it is seen as antisemitic. "Most of the biggest producers and studio executives in Hollywood are Jewish." is hardly an insult, if anything it's a complement.
"Most of the CEO's of major corporations attend Ivy League schools" is that an insult?
No, but the implication that They act against others for their own aggrandizement is which is often stated here. And blaming them for your own troubles is as well.
It's like the poster in another thread who gave statistics on a certain group that is involved in gun crimes. Is he just stating innocuous facts or is it a racist trope?
You don't think the economic elites act against others for their own aggrandizement?
Not sure why you think your ignorance of the facts is a winning argument. The guy is a trainer not a doctor. I made this clear. Not sure why you accuse me of not knowing the details about this guy that you admittedly never heard of.
You spend hours on here every single day spewing hatred for the Jewish people and culture. Poor you.
Show me one single example of me spewing hatred for "Jewish people and culture".
The US has simply become "revolving door" of victimhood hasn't it. Seriously think back over the last 4 years it's one "disparaged" group after another lining up after another with some example of how they are the victims of hate, just begging for some type of sympathy (power) - it's absolutely tragic.
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I like John Stewart, but he misrepresents when he sarcastically says " ok, we will allow a Christian to become President".
I don't think anyone says that 'The (self described) Jews" control federal politics. In fact the opposite throughout the world. Jewish groups -as defined by their own demographic and business footprint in new countries that have accepted them - support either side of the national political spectrum because that makes business sense- whilst being (or having been at one stage) over represented at local council and lobby group levels. Make of that what you will.
You could blast that as anti semitist stereotyping, but I , and my parents and grandparents before that, have personal experience of that in another colonial country, so go ahead.
Face up and have an inward look John, have a think about "hey why are they saying that'? Is there an element of truth perhaps? What can we learn"? Except it is, "shut up you anti semitist".
I like John Stewart, but he misrepresents when he sarcastically says " ok, we will allow a Christian to become President".
I don't think anyone says that 'The (self described) Jews" control federal politics. In fact the opposite throughout the world. Jewish groups -as defined by their own demographic and business footprint in new countries that have accepted them - support either side of the national political spectrum because that makes business sense- whilst being (or having been at one stage) over represented at local council and lobby group levels. Make of that what you will.
You could blast that as anti semitist stereotyping, but I , and my parents and grandparents before that, have personal experience of that in another colonial country, so go ahead.
Face up and have an inward look John, have a think about "hey why are they saying that'? Is there an element of truth perhaps? What can we learn"? Except it is, "shut up you anti semitist".
In my city the Irish have traditionally been "over represented" in politics, the fire department and the police department. Should we still blame the Irish the way we blame the Jews? Fortunately for the Irish they aren't recipients of the same vitriol and violence, but the Jews still are. And as Asians are becoming more successful, whether in certain industries or college admission, they too are being attacked. Sometimes jokes, generalizations, and the marginalization of groups have consequences.
I like John Stewart, but he misrepresents when he sarcastically says " ok, we will allow a Christian to become President".
I don't think anyone says that 'The (self described) Jews" control federal politics. In fact the opposite throughout the world. Jewish groups -as defined by their own demographic and business footprint in new countries that have accepted them - support either side of the national political spectrum because that makes business sense- whilst being (or having been at one stage) over represented at local council and lobby group levels. Make of that what you will.
You could blast that as anti semitist stereotyping, but I , and my parents and grandparents before that, have personal experience of that in another colonial country, so go ahead.
Face up and have an inward look John, have a think about "hey why are they saying that'? Is there an element of truth perhaps? What can we learn"? Except it is, "shut up you anti semitist".
That you think he is stifling open speech while others argue he’s allowing hatred to fester by not silencing speech enough tells me he is in the right track by being attacked by both opinions.
I like John Stewart, but he misrepresents when he sarcastically says " ok, we will allow a Christian to become President".
I don't think anyone says that 'The (self described) Jews" control federal politics. In fact the opposite throughout the world. Jewish groups -as defined by their own demographic and business footprint in new countries that have accepted them - support either side of the national political spectrum because that makes business sense- whilst being (or having been at one stage) over represented at local council and lobby group levels. Make of that what you will.
You could blast that as anti semitist stereotyping, but I , and my parents and grandparents before that, have personal experience of that in another colonial country, so go ahead.
Face up and have an inward look John, have a think about "hey why are they saying that'? Is there an element of truth perhaps? What can we learn"? Except it is, "shut up you anti semitist".
That you think he is stifling open speech while others argue he’s allowing hatred to fester by not silencing speech enough tells me he is in the right track by being attacked by both opinions.
It's clear what he (Jon Stewart) is saying.
He is saying that stereotyping exists and if we are to address it and deal with it, we first need to recognize that it does indeed exist, and rather than stifle it or censor it, we need to acknowledge it, be willing to discuss it when we encounter it (as little as we would like to), and convince those that will listen that it is not justified nor fair.
Furthermore, he says we might go even further and examine why it is - what are the underlying causes - of some that would create these hurtful generalization, and (the important part), and work to rectify those underlying causes. In this case, he feels it has to do with social inequality, or at least the perception of it.
You are right in saying that he is assuming a middle ground, and thereby receives consternation from both sides, and he says as much himself in the dialogue.
I found his viewpoint refreshing and I'm not sure that I could or would disagree with it.
I like John Stewart, but he misrepresents when he sarcastically says " ok, we will allow a Christian to become President".
I don't think anyone says that 'The (self described) Jews" control federal politics. In fact the opposite throughout the world. Jewish groups -as defined by their own demographic and business footprint in new countries that have accepted them - support either side of the national political spectrum because that makes business sense- whilst being (or having been at one stage) over represented at local council and lobby group levels. Make of that what you will.
You could blast that as anti semitist stereotyping, but I , and my parents and grandparents before that, have personal experience of that in another colonial country, so go ahead.
Face up and have an inward look John, have a think about "hey why are they saying that'? Is there an element of truth perhaps? What can we learn"? Except it is, "shut up you anti semitist".
That you think he is stifling open speech while others argue he’s allowing hatred to fester by not silencing speech enough tells me he is in the right track by being attacked by both opinions.
See? Clearly posted in English, yet you misinterpret me?
My disagreement was with the sarcasm about the Presidency. You cannot get people on your side if you are disengenuous or exaggerate.
There is a huge difference between hatred, and making qualified stereotypical remarks. I am someone that cannot (or should not ) be racially stereotyped (not that I know of), because I do not live in a ghetto of 'like' people, and as a non religious mixed race, I do not identify with any racial or religious groups, not in my neighbourhood, memberships, friends or colleagues.
If you self identify as a group, make a point of living together in the same neighbourhood with that group, help strangers of same group to jobs and opportunities, attend the same religious centres, disassociate from other groups, have laws regarding marriage into such groups etc etc, all free choices, then how the heck can you complain when people stereotype your group when you clearly stand out in some sectors.
Stop playing the card that you are dealing for yourself
I like John Stewart, but he misrepresents when he sarcastically says " ok, we will allow a Christian to become President".
I don't think anyone says that 'The (self described) Jews" control federal politics. In fact the opposite throughout the world. Jewish groups -as defined by their own demographic and business footprint in new countries that have accepted them - support either side of the national political spectrum because that makes business sense- whilst being (or having been at one stage) over represented at local council and lobby group levels. Make of that what you will.
You could blast that as anti semitist stereotyping, but I , and my parents and grandparents before that, have personal experience of that in another colonial country, so go ahead.
Face up and have an inward look John, have a think about "hey why are they saying that'? Is there an element of truth perhaps? What can we learn"? Except it is, "shut up you anti semitist".
In my city the Irish have traditionally been "over represented" in politics, the fire department and the police department. Should we still blame the Irish the way we blame the Jews? Fortunately for the Irish they aren't recipients of the same vitriol and violence, but the Jews still are. And as Asians are becoming more successful, whether in certain industries or college admission, they too are being attacked. Sometimes jokes, generalizations, and the marginalization of groups have consequences.
Perhaps your city is mostly of Irish heritage like many are in US I believe, I don't know. Did they control the property you could buy, the shops you could open on the corner of your neighbourhood and instead open their own? I don't know, but I do know that that happenned to us.
That you think he is stifling open speech while others argue he’s allowing hatred to fester by not silencing speech enough tells me he is in the right track by being attacked by both opinions.
See? Clearly posted in English, yet you misinterpret me?
My disagreement was with the sarcasm about the Presidency. You cannot get people on your side if you are disengenuous or exaggerate.
There is a huge difference between hatred, and making qualified stereotypical remarks. I am someone that cannot (or should not ) be racially stereotyped (not that I know of), because I do not live in a ghetto of 'like' people, and as a non religious mixed race, I do not identify with any racial or religious groups, not in my neighbourhood, memberships, friends or colleagues.
If you self identify as a group, make a point of living together in the same neighbourhood with that group, help strangers of same group to jobs and opportunities, attend the same religious centres, disassociate from other groups, have laws regarding marriage into such groups etc etc, all free choices, then how the heck can you complain when people stereotype your group when you clearly stand out in some sectors.
Stop playing the card that you are dealing for yourself
Should we blame the victim? When a Jewish synagogue a Muslim mosque are vandalized, when a Sikh is attacked on the street, when a Chinese person is attacked is it because they live amongst themselves or create networks?
Sometimes perpetuating stereotypes attached with other messages brings out hate and violence.
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