I would not expect that Cook had a lot more....she didn't look flat out at the end, but I would expect that she was pretty amped up for her first NCAA race. But certainly expect Roe to continue getting better through XC season.
Really interested to see where Kemboi, Magness and Frentheway place. And it would be great to see Thorvaldson start to get her legs back.
Katelyn Tuohy earns national honor, but coach believes best is still to come
"It was pretty obvious from her work ethic and demeanor she'd get back to that (pre-injury) level and beyond," Henes said.
Henes watched all three national track races with interest, seeing Tuohy "figuring it out and starting to achieve her goals" by improving as a tactician, a skill she didn't need much on the high school level, since she routinely led races start to finish. Henes has worked with Tuohy to make running fast in cross-country easier by setting a "pace and rhythm." She described Tuohy's workouts as "intense" but said she finds hard work fun.
"She's always believed in herself and trusted her work ethic." said Henes.
Asked whether Tuohy's best is yet to be seen, Henes was clear. "Absolutely," she said.
She ran 20 MPW in HS. This would be the person with most upside, not the least.
an interview said that natalie cook got injured again and again when running 40-50 miles per week which shows her body is not strong enough for that much running, she trains harder on cross training like bike, elliptical, swimming, that would equal to running 40-50 mpw or more
katelyn said she runs the highest mileage in the team, and nc state women runs 70 miles per week
she says her body does well over high mileage, and thats because she has always been high mileage since she was a teen, her body is used to the high mileage
if natalie cook running only 20mpw because anything over that will result to injury is an upside, then ok ! must be fun training alone and having your own special short mileage and not running your team
tragically NO, because no one is streaming, and the person whom i get race clips dont have a runnerspace account ... only espn and accnx, plus runnerspace are dcks, they give you copyright strike and take your channel down
flotrack is way better than runnerspace, at least flotrack uploads races on youtube
nuttycombe 2022 race will never see daylight, it will be locked inside runnerspace race vid dungeon
I don't see how my team predcitions would be different at the end of the year which are 1 Okl St 2 Stanford 3 NAU 4 BYU 5 Washington, but I'll just start listing people here and seeing how it all plays out? Maybe I'll try to lift up Colorado for kicks.
How about I give you a top 50.
30. Ayeluh Taye, Georgetown-Finished 4th at Paul Short
Actually Taye has not run for the Hoyas since 2013.
NC State will not lose as long as everyone is healthy. This group will go for a 4-peat with Tuohy leading them, and will go for a fifth consecutive national championship with Marlee Starliper leading them in 2025.
19:19 is a crazy time on a hilly course... you have to properly execute a race plan to get to that and not just hammer it up front well i guess you have to hammer it up front because surely no one will push the pace that hard other than the person who wants to break the record, and i dont think kemboi wants to break the record, she just wants to stay close to katelyn, meanwhile mccabe would also do the same and just draft behind katelyn ... so the effort to break it will all be on katelyn. Its going to be tough yea.
Looking at past LACCTiC ratings for this course 19:19 would seem to result in a 5K rating of below 14:50 which seems awfully fast for mid October (or maybe for for any college athlete anytime). Last year 20:08 was 15:37. In 2019 20:35 for Chmiel was 16:07.
The 2021 conversion (16:00 = 20:37) will be more accurate. Between 2019 and 2020 the adjustment for track 5ks dropped about 1.5% (nobody wants to hear it but it’s probably the shoes). I used to give two ratings but decided to just convert to 5ks from the previous track season because too many people were emailing me/confused.
The 2019 race was 16:00 = 20:24, but these days slower xc performances get better 5k equivalents on the track.
19:19 would be around 15:00 assuming I did this math right
Looking at past LACCTiC ratings for this course 19:19 would seem to result in a 5K rating of below 14:50 which seems awfully fast for mid October (or maybe for for any college athlete anytime). Last year 20:08 was 15:37. In 2019 20:35 for Chmiel was 16:07.
The 2021 conversion (16:00 = 20:37) will be more accurate. Between 2019 and 2020 the adjustment for track 5ks dropped about 1.5% (nobody wants to hear it but it’s probably the shoes). I used to give two ratings but decided to just convert to 5ks from the previous track season because too many people were emailing me/confused.
The 2019 race was 16:00 = 20:24, but these days slower xc performances get better 5k equivalents on the track.
19:19 would be around 15:00 assuming I did this math right
I defer to the "creator". I plotted some data now and see the slope is not "1" as I had simplistically assumed, but rather 0.783 (and a small negative intercept?). So 14:58 is what I calculate for 19:18. Or maybe the 4 points I picked although a perfect linear fit are still not sufficient. Still seems awfully fast for mid October (or maybe for for any college athlete anytime) but maybe some day, I just don't think this week.
“How’s anyone supposed to know that (who isn’t in an inner-circle loop or something)?”
By watching Lance Harter talk about it in a video on the UA website (very public and free of charge) prior to the Stillwater meet. Very informative stuff if one chooses to watch and/or read.
“How’s anyone supposed to know that (who isn’t in an inner-circle loop or something)?”
By watching Lance Harter talk about it in a video on the UA website (very public and free of charge) prior to the Stillwater meet. Very informative stuff if one chooses to watch and/or read.
That is right, most teams will post a race preview and some of those include a lot of comments by coaches. Ditto for race recaps.
“I would not expect that Cook had a lot more....she didn't look flat out at the end, but I would expect that she was pretty amped up for her first NCAA race. But certainly expect Roe to continue getting better through XC season. Really interested to see where Kemboi, Magness and Frentheway place.”
Saw some of the new ‘rankings’ at a couple sites and was not impressed, as some don’t seem to take much stock in an indicator of 6K fitness vs a shining 5K time against strong competition. Like you, I’m interested in the ‘outliers’ that ‘rankings’ generally dismiss — eg Frentheway, Stearns, Ramsden, Bockrath, and some others — who have raced at 6K…against strong competition. Am also interested in seeing how the ‘sibling rivalry’ (to quote Dave Smith in his post-Jamboree comments) progresses between Roe and Cook. Notably (inexplicably…), some of the ‘rankings’ keep Roe ahead of Cook in spite of the fact that Cook won the early head-to-head at 6K on a tough course (and it wasn’t really close).
Saw some of the new ‘rankings’ at a couple sites and was not impressed, as some don’t seem to take much stock in an indicator of 6K fitness vs a shining 5K time against strong competition. Like you, I’m interested in the ‘outliers’ that ‘rankings’ generally dismiss — eg Frentheway, Stearns, Ramsden, Bockrath, and some others — who have raced at 6K…against strong competition. Am also interested in seeing how the ‘sibling rivalry’ (to quote Dave Smith in his post-Jamboree comments) progresses between Roe and Cook. Notably (inexplicably…), some of the ‘rankings’ keep Roe ahead of Cook in spite of the fact that Cook won the early head-to-head at 6K on a tough course (and it wasn’t really close).
I suspect that is because Roe has more history of performance at the NCAA level. If Cook beats her again at pre-nats I expect the rankings will change.
