If she does not improve, she isn't going to BTC because they are loaded with faster women.A
A lot can change, BUT
after this weekend, she appears to be the most talented women's runner in the NCAA. If she is not BOwerman material, who is?
McCabe. Her talent wasn't on display in Birmingham (not fully fit or dithering tactics, hard to tell), but her relaxed running mechanics & economy, huge engine and solid kick suggest success from 3K to the marathon. My inkling is she hasn't quite wrapped her head around how good she is and can become. If she stays healthy through the next three months, Outdoor Champs should feature more of the runner we saw at the close of 2021.
This statement surprises me. If it's almost impossible why do so many do it? Just protecting his athlete?
Coming off a national title in the 5000m a night ago, Courtney Wayment finished fifth in the 3000m after clocking a 9:01.77 to also be named a first-team All-American in that event. "She had the determination last night to hold them off and win," Eyestone said. "Tonight, she probably could’ve run a safer race, but put herself in a position where she wanted to win it. She was in a great position, but just ran out of gas late due to the fatigue from last night’s 5000m race. That 5000 and 3000 combination is almost impossible. I’m very proud of her."
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — BYU women's track and field finished eighth overall at the 2022 NCAA Indoor Track & Field Championships behind a runner-up finish by Claire Seymour in the 800-meter at the Birmingham CrossPlex on Saturday....
An unusual double occurred in DIII where Esther Seeland won the 800m in 2:05.75, and then came back less than an hour later to take 7th in the 3K in 9:47.41.
Kelsey Chmiel did a triple. First team AA in the 5000. Anchor leg in the DMR in what would have ben an AA if not for the DQ. Then first team AA in the 3000.
Kelsey Chmiel did a triple. First team AA in the 5000. Anchor leg in the DMR in what would have ben an AA if not for the DQ. Then first team AA in the 3000.
I think Shaw anchored the DMR and I just want to say It was nonsense that they got DQ’d. NC State represented 25% of that 3k field. Great work by everyone on their team - all were doubling. Still can’t believe how close Tuohy came to winning it. She will be back though.
This statement surprises me. If it's almost impossible why do so many do it? Just protecting his athlete?
Coming off a national title in the 5000m a night ago, Courtney Wayment finished fifth in the 3000m after clocking a 9:01.77 to also be named a first-team All-American in that event. "She had the determination last night to hold them off and win," Eyestone said. "Tonight, she probably could’ve run a safer race, but put herself in a position where she wanted to win it. She was in a great position, but just ran out of gas late due to the fatigue from last night’s 5000m race. That 5000 and 3000 combination is almost impossible. I’m very proud of her."
I’m no coach, but…when a top NCAA runner like Tuohy, Gregory, Chelangat or Wayment is hell-bent on doubling, it’s probably tricky dissuading the athlete without coming across as inhibiting, or worse, a control freak who thinks s/he’s not good enough. Probably a much easier “bad move” sell to someone just creeping on the come-up (Herman, say).
And I wonder how much a kind of "Hassan effect"--If yr not doubling (or displaying your range as a runner), you're a chump--is influencing this new generation of emerging elites....
You're right. Kelsey had the 800. NC State had three first team AA's in the 3000. I also thought that the DMR DQ was unfair. The mishap was really due to the handoff order getting completely screwed up, and it was not NCSt's fault. But that is the way it went.
You're right. Kelsey had the 800. NC State had three first team AA's in the 3000. I also thought that the DMR DQ was unfair. The mishap was really due to the handoff order getting completely screwed up, and it was not NCSt's fault. But that is the way it went.
The DMR was Bush, Griffin, Vess, Shaw. Several men's teams DMR legs did exactly what Bush did but the other teams dodged them so they were not DQ'd.
That's how rules work. If I push a guy who is passing me and he beats me, he has no gripe. If I push him and he stumbles and I pass him, he has a gripe. My actions were the same. If I drunk drive and nobody is harmed, the penalty is much less than if I hit and kill someone.
The thing that got me about the DQ was that the handoff order was completely screwed up. For some reason the VT runner set up between the NCSt and Virginia runners. When both those handoffs occurred the VT runner was left waiting for several seconds. When the VT handoff finally occurs the Virginia runner was still standing in the lane above her. And Bush did what the rules specify.
That's how rules work. If I push a guy who is passing me and he beats me, he has no gripe. If I push him and he stumbles and I pass him, he has a gripe. My actions were the same. If I drunk drive and nobody is harmed, the penalty is much less than if I hit and kill someone.
I’m not sure there were any rules in some of these events. Lots of shoving in the men’s DMR for example - the race was under review for awhile afterwards. In the women’s 4x4 near the end of the 3rd leg, an Arkansas runner just shoved the Texas A&M runner to the track. No DQ - I mean seriously? Cost A&M first team AA in the 4x4 and about 4 or 5 spots in the team standings.
That's how rules work. If I push a guy who is passing me and he beats me, he has no gripe. If I push him and he stumbles and I pass him, he has a gripe. My actions were the same. If I drunk drive and nobody is harmed, the penalty is much less than if I hit and kill someone.
The difference being you took an action. Bush as far as I can see took no action. Perhaps in a perfect world she would have 1) immediately looked inside her and saw no-one was there in lanes 1-2 and 2) immediately ducked inside before the VT athlete ran her over by cutting in without looking to see if anyone was in lane 3. Bush's first look seemed to be over her right shoulder and saw the collision about to happen. It all did happen pretty quickly. I don't know, but I bet they were told what happened last year when the AL runner ducked inside immediately without looking and blocked someone and got DQd.
The rule specifies that the runner handing off stay in their lane and that the the runner receiving the baton stay in their lane also. And the mistake in the handoff order threw everything off. I thought at the time that NcSt got screwed and I still do. But its done.
The thing that got me about the DQ was that the handoff order was completely screwed up. For some reason the VT runner set up between the NCSt and Virginia runners. When both those handoffs occurred the VT runner was left waiting for several seconds. When the VT handoff finally occurs the Virginia runner was still standing in the lane above her. And Bush did what the rules specify.
watched it one more time. You are right, VA had passed VT with almost 1 lap to go so the positioning was wrong. BTW I watched the 4x400s in the World Championships and the runners quite often stopped in their lane, and the outgoing legs knew to avoid them.
You want to talk about crazy predictions, look at all the threads with endless talk about the girls who were going to be way better than Katelyn tuohy in college
Also I remember guys going on and on about how three girls were going to smash every distance record by huge margins a couple years ago in high school distance running. They never smashed any records by any margins, and certainly not three girls
I predict that Mercy will push the pace because she always seems to do that and the smartrunnerss will tuck in behind her and then out kick her
I agree on Mercy (or if necessary Chmiel) pushing the 5000 pace, which again makes me (and you) wonder what is going on with the DMR? I think the only way it might work is if the 5000 was a very slow kicker type race. Recall last March Chmiel and Steelman got burned by the weird pacing of the 5000. One would think they would try not to let that happen again.
On the plus side for those 3 runners Thorvaldson and Brown have showed recently they are starting to come into better form - but still in a tier below the top NCAA group (including Tuohy). But maybe next year if this go well for them.
On the Flotrack Workout Wednesday segment with Arkansas says Thorvaldson is going to be a "monster".
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