No. It’s robbing the whole group of a medal ceremony for one person. Sprintgeezer, is off his rocker. The Roosky’s are on probation and they just got caught violating the terms. Not to mention they just uncovered that the skater had a whole cocktail of other NOP gray area substances in her blood. There is more than enough precedent from past CAS decisions to ban immediately. Only rational explanation is CAS doesn’t galvanize the Russians against the West, and give Putin greater political capital to invade Ukraine. It’s that simple.
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is Christine Brennan says she should be out, that’s good enough for me.
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Everyone complains about this CAS decision, but none of them have access to the information CAS used to make that decision.
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the experts have overruled Sprintgeezer.
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Adam Rippon, a true American hero, says sprintgeezer is slapping America right in the face.
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CAS has overruled a damn rip-off.
And Tara and Johnny...well, they’re not there for their mental acumen.
They should stfu and stay in their lane, it would serve them better.
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Joe Mama wrote:
is Christine Brennan says she should be out, that’s good enough for me.
If you want to play the "Expert vs Expert", you're going to lose. Badly. That's because the real experts have spoken. They've spent their careers adjudicating matters like this. They're international. They're jobs are not tied to any group think popularity ratings. They've heard all the evidence so far (unlike your experts). They've even heard from Kamila herself and questioned her directly. What was their decision? That Kamila should skate in the Olympics.
So put that into your pipe and smoke it.
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Sprintgeezer wrote:
Grace Kelly wrote:
Stop being a clown. She's competing at the olympic games, the height of sport. What makes her competing at 15 so amazing is that she is doing so WITHOUT ASSISTANCE, or at least we thought. She is up against the best adults in the sport right now and beating them. How cool. She shouldn't get extra help just because she's 15.
As to what Sprintgeezer said, my issue is that it robs medalists of what should be the greatest moment of their lives: getting a medal on the podium in front of the world and hearing their anthem play. The deserving athletes aren't getting that. And that's not cool.
Yes that is true and absolutely not cool, but it is only one factor to be considered.
Consider that on the other hand, a possibly innocent Valieva could be robbed of the same. After all, we don’t know many relevant specifics.
Personally my biases have me ready to condemn and ban Tutberidze and all her minions, for life. Apparently she is a menace, leaving a trail of destruction.
But ultimately, hopefully unbiased panels will adjudicate these matters, and we are left to wait and see what will happen.
One thing for sure, is that one way or another, this sucks. And rightly or wrongly, I personally blame the coaching and training staff.
It looks to me as though figure skating is a broken sport, and Kamila Valieva's case illuminates its brokenness.
As one commentator makes the case pointedly:
"Rachael Denhollander, the first American gymnast to publicly accuse Larry Nassar of abuse, asked the right question during his 2018 legal case: “How much is a little girl worth?” The Court of Arbitration for Sport’s decision to let Kamila Valieva compete answers the question: nothing. A 15-year-old girl who tests positive for a banned substance could not possibly have ingested that substance without the direction and approval of adults. By allowing her to skate at the Olympics, CAS has vindicated her abusers, emboldening them to use further unthinkable methods. And we will all watch on live television, as her body bears the trauma of adult desires: to win, at whatever cost."
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Onwards wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Yes that is true and absolutely not cool, but it is only one factor to be considered.
Consider that on the other hand, a possibly innocent Valieva could be robbed of the same. After all, we don’t know many relevant specifics.
Personally my biases have me ready to condemn and ban Tutberidze and all her minions, for life. Apparently she is a menace, leaving a trail of destruction.
But ultimately, hopefully unbiased panels will adjudicate these matters, and we are left to wait and see what will happen.
One thing for sure, is that one way or another, this sucks. And rightly or wrongly, I personally blame the coaching and training staff.
It looks to me as though figure skating is a broken sport, and Kamila Valieva's case illuminates its brokenness.
As one commentator makes the case pointedly:
"Rachael Denhollander, the first American gymnast to publicly accuse Larry Nassar of abuse, asked the right question during his 2018 legal case: “How much is a little girl worth?” The Court of Arbitration for Sport’s decision to let Kamila Valieva compete answers the question: nothing. A 15-year-old girl who tests positive for a banned substance could not possibly have ingested that substance without the direction and approval of adults. By allowing her to skate at the Olympics, CAS has vindicated her abusers, emboldening them to use further unthinkable methods. And we will all watch on live television, as her body bears the trauma of adult desires: to win, at whatever cost."
why is it not possible that the drug got there without adult help ?
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Crazy, how many people are sick with hate.
Why are you so scared of her competing? She will be suspended and lose everything if guilty.
Just let her skate and wait for the court ruling.
"Murdering" the best ever skater's career is at stake. At 15. Before it even started.
Let the court decide.
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To haters wrote:
Crazy, how many people are sick with hate.
Why are you so scared of her competing? She will be suspended and lose everything if guilty.
Just let her skate and wait for the court ruling.
"Murdering" the best ever skater's career is at stake. At 15. Before it even started.
Let the court decide.
I think the courts will let it skate. Go figure!!!
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Onwards wrote:
"Rachael Denhollander, the first American gymnast to publicly accuse Larry Nassar of abuse, asked the right question during his 2018 legal case: “How much is a little girl worth?” The Court of Arbitration for Sport’s decision to let Kamila Valieva compete answers the question: nothing. A 15-year-old girl who tests positive for a banned substance could not possibly have ingested that substance without the direction and approval of adults. By allowing her to skate at the Olympics, CAS has vindicated her abusers,
There is absolutely nothing in common between the Larry Nasser scandal and a single non-confirmed drug test for Kamila (they haven't even tested the B-sample). You should be ashamed of yourself for trying.
The CAS is an independent panel of legal and sports experts with no ties to any one country. They asked Kamila questions and listened to her testimony, which you obviously have not. They considered the full slate of evidence both for her and against, which you also obviously have not. The net result was the chance that Kamila is totally innocent is so high, that to not let her compete would cause irreparable harm.
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CAS is bought and paid for, so we are in trouble. I think the only solution is to start calling US nationals, the World Championships. Because, frankly, there isn’t another country with reliable testing. IMHO the Olympic champ for women’s free skate is Karen Chen.
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It looks to me as though figure skating is a broken sport, and Kamila Valieva's case illuminates its brokenness.
Figure skating is a broken sport? Hundreds, if not thousands, of Track and Field athletes have used illegal drugs. Does Figure Skating have even one confirmed case of banned drug use?
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Joe Mama wrote:
I think the only solution is to start calling US nationals, the World Championships.
That's about the only way you're ever going to make America "great" again.
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this is the best thing that could have happpened to the sport.
the drama, the intrique....the ratings will be much higher now
not quite nancy kerrigan getting attacked by tanya hardings bodyguard level of drama, but still enjoyable nonetheless.
figure skating has always been a dramatic spectacle.
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Bound4Glory wrote:
It looks to me as though figure skating is a broken sport, and Kamila Valieva's case illuminates its brokenness.
Figure skating is a broken sport? Hundreds, if not thousands, of Track and Field athletes have used illegal drugs. Does Figure Skating have even one confirmed case of banned drug use?
Maria Sotskova, retired Russian figure skater, banned 10 years
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Bound4Glory wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Again, for all those foaming at the mouth, there will still be a formal adjudication, and most likely an appeal of that adjusication.
That's right. I don't understand how NBC commentators and the rest of the skating world is so upset. Tara Lipinski and Johnny Weir completely destroyed their credibility yesterday. They're supposed to be journalists. I don't ever remember sports commentary as far biased and hateful as that.
Makes me wonder if they were explicitly told to do so. There's lots of anti-Russian rhetoric these days and the freedom in the press in the USA is the weakest it's been since at least the 1950's.
Moral Courage in media is what is lacking, not Freedom. Well, at least there are not many testing the theory. If we are in an all-time high period of bread and circuses, journalists are the clowns.
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Bound4Glory wrote:
The biggest sports cheat in the history of the world, Lance Armstrong, never received anywhere near the level of scorn that's being dumped on this 15-year old girl. Something is very wrong here.
You obviously weren't awake when Lance was disgraced. By contrast the Russian skater is being treated as a victim.
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Everydog wrote:
Bound4Glory wrote:
That's right. I don't understand how NBC commentators and the rest of the skating world is so upset. Tara Lipinski and Johnny Weir completely destroyed their credibility yesterday. They're supposed to be journalists. I don't ever remember sports commentary as far biased and hateful as that.
Makes me wonder if they were explicitly told to do so. There's lots of anti-Russian rhetoric these days and the freedom in the press in the USA is the weakest it's been since at least the 1950's.
Moral Courage in media is what is lacking, not Freedom. Well, at least there are not many testing the theory. If we are in an all-time high period of bread and circuses, journalists are the clowns.
None of you here who pour scorn on journalists would know anything about these events were it not for reporting by journalists. Nor do you have any facts that you think you can rely on that were not reported by someone - except for the "facts" you choose to make up.
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