Calling BS on Coach Jon Green and Molly Seidel Magical Transformation Story

MeToo! wrote:

prognog wrote:

Surely you’re dumb enough to say that Hasay must have doped too.

Coached by Salazar, enough said.

At least you’re consistent. Surprised someone named “MeToo” would acknowledge Salazar is dirty.

MeToo! wrote:

prognog wrote:

Surely you’re dumb enough to say that Hasay must have doped too.

Coached by Salazar, enough said.

you might find this list interesting.

the time jordan hasay did in 9th grade, to win footlocker nationals in high school, was faster than the time molly seidel and jordan hasay did in 12th grade to win.

and the time done in 12th grade was the same for both molly and jordan.

no doubt your dumb@ssery requires us to believe that jordan was cheating by 5th grade? ignorant turd.

And you still refuse to answer my question. Do you know who else was NCAA champion? Answer: Shelby Houlihan. Therein lies all your answers. NCAA titles mean exactly jack squat. What makes you think Shelby or Seidel were clean when they took NCAA titles?

llort_vbo wrote:

I’ll bite - I think you have a point. So far I’d day it looks like a duck. But you don’t have much more.

At least you acknowledge that Seidel and Coach Green are very suspicious

monsewer wrote:

you might find this list interesting.

the time jordan hasay did in 9th grade, to win footlocker nationals in high school, was faster than the time molly seidel and jordan hasay did in 12th grade to win.

and the time done in 12th grade was the same for both molly and jordan.

no doubt your dumb@ssery requires us to believe that jordan was cheating by 5th grade? ignorant turd.

Maybe Jordan Hasay was. With basketball, hockey, and gymnastics parents all too willingly doping up their kids to be turn them into sports stars, I am sure running parents do the same.

MeToo! wrote:

And you still refuse to answer my question. Do you know who else was NCAA champion? Answer: Shelby Houlihan. Therein lies all your answers. NCAA titles mean exactly jack squat. What makes you think Shelby or Seidel were clean when they took NCAA titles?

Your question was obviously rhetorical, since you answered it. It was also stupid. There's no comparison between a one-time NCAA champion with a mediocre PR and a 4-time champion across three disciplines with a lightning fast PR.

In any event, you're trolling or you can't read. I'm not talking about titles anymore. I'm granting you the irrelevance of NCAA titles for the sake of argument. I'm talking about TIMES. Just looking at the clock, Seidel is one of the fastest runners in NCAA history. Olympic medalists, world championship medalists, and American record holders were all significantly slower than Seidel in college. Your refusal to grapple with that suggests one of two things:

(1) Either you didn't know those facts, in which case you aren't remotely qualified to have an opinion on the issue.

(2) Or you believe that in the entire history of the NCAA, there has never been a collegiate runner with the potential to be world class. But if that's your belief, then it makes no sense to pick on Seidel and call her transformation "magical," when she is LESS suspicious (using your own criterion--college PRs) than Kastor, Flanagan, Huddle, Hasay, Goucher, Infield, Frerichs, Kipyego, Coburn, and Rowbury.

Oh, I agree with you that there is no comparison between Shelby Houlihan and Molly Seidel because Seidel is vastly more suspicious than Houlihan.

And glad you admitted that NCAA titles are meaningless.

Why do you still not grasp that other athletes have a progression from after second tier (NCAA) to world elite that we can follow whereas Seidel just transformed overnight from second tier performances and injured to matching world class Kosgei? Siedel has no progression from her second tier (NCAA) times, it's just one sudden jump without plausible explanation other than PEDs.

Kosgei's most elite performance is by far the most suspicious of the races you refer to. what time from the last 2 years indicates she is still in that zone?

Coaching is rocket science and it takes a very smart person to figure out the person they are training and know exactly what works and how to impose/complete the right workouts, right on the edge and not get hurt. When to rest, when to push, the type of workload to do...It's not easy to find a really smart coach and also one that understands the mind/body connection, nutrition, interval workouts and not overdoing it. I do not know enough about Molly's training to be able to comment and be a fair voice. If there was advice from people connected with Salazar associated with Molly and Jon then that is a red flag, but without knowing much about Jon cannot really say if real or fake bs we are fed.

Maybe she could’ve been beaten by the East Africans at the Olympics if the race conditions were better, but she wasn’t. That’s kind of the whole point of the Olympics. The athletes have to show up on that day to win. Otherwise they would just hand out medals to the top three seeded times and call it a day.

2 THE GILLS!!!

i think they are creating a dopig altitude supergroup now with infield

Emily Infeld’s first two results haven’t rocked the world. She is one of my faves but don’t see anything remotely doping about her. Or Molly for that matter.

Apparently she fell off her bike on a day of alternative training, and why should she disclose how and why she broke the ribs, it's none of your business nor anyone else's, she came through in the race didn't she?

I bet u not would disrespect molly or emily to they face.

It's everyone's business, don't you know there are national laws that make it criminal to dope and compete in international events?

Was Molly trying to learn how to ride a bike with Mary Cain for her brief professional triathlon career?

The same Mary Cain that claims to be the best triathlete ever to live? She is so full of herself

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