why aren't you personally vaccinated?

looking forward and backwards wrote:

vz wrote:

You went to school.

You were forced to take vaccines to go to school.

Your entire argument fails due to that.

Yep. Nice observation. It was considered "the right thing to do." Just like slavery was in this country. ...

This is the delta variant equivalent of antivaxxers; I thought antivaxxers were comically ignorant enough already, but comparing protection of children against disease to slavery is just peak trolling.

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zxcvzxvc wrote:

Over 5 million people have died of COVID.

Hospitals get paid to put died with covid, regardless of the real cause, and they don't actually do any test for a covid19 virus. Additionally, dying with something is not the same as dying because of it.

zxcvzxvc wrote:

I've heard of maybe a dozen people who died from reactions to vaccines, and there have been billions of doses given.

Many millions of people have died from vaccinations, and many more have suffered serious effects from them.

75 still alive wrote:

zxcvzxvc wrote:

Over 5 million people have died of COVID.

Hospitals get paid to put died with covid, regardless of the real cause, and they don't actually do any test for a covid19 virus. Additionally, dying with something is not the same as dying because of it.

zxcvzxvc wrote:

I've heard of maybe a dozen people who died from reactions to vaccines, and there have been billions of doses given.

Many millions of people have died from vaccinations, and many more have suffered serious effects from them.

You are a liar. You transparent lies only illuminate your lack of a coherent narrative.

Get help. Or at least, get out of here.

rando from filly wrote:

I'm curious to know - and not looking to judge or troll - if you are unvaccinated - why?

100% honest answer and backstory here for why I remain unvaccinated.

I tested positive for covid in November 2020. It was somewhat rough. Lost my taste for a couple days (that was the worst part tbh), body fatigue, fever, just about every symptom of Covid other than the sore throat. Normally I’d run through everything but with the way I was feeling, I felt like it was unwise to run for about a week. Took me a few weeks after that to really start feeling normal again when running.

I was also got sick in February 2020 right around when Covid was starting to become big news in the United States. I had just flown to and from a meet so probably caught whatever it was while traveling. I went to see a doctor which is rare for me but they didn’t give me anything or test me for the flu or anything. That might’ve been the sickest I’ve ever been. I just say it was the flu although I never got an answer. While I was laying in bed running a fever, I had thoughts to myself, “I can see how people die from the flu now.”

After testing positive for Covid which wasn’t nearly as bad as my prior sickness and felt different, I’m pretty sure the first one wasn’t Covid. Since I had Covid, I’ve only been sick one time and it was just in the past month. Just a little rough for a day or so with some lingering symptoms for another week or so. Never saw a doctor but went to work and carried on with everything as normal.

I’m not exactly a strict rule follower as far as wearing masks and social distancing, but I don’t blatantly ignore everything either. I mostly wore a face covering inside in public places through the 2020 fall and 2021 winter/spring. Since outdoor nationals last May, I think I can count the number of occasions that I’ve worn a mask on one hand, the main times being on a plane and going through the airport to/from cross country nationals.

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So finally after all that backstory, here are several of my reasons why I remain unvaccinated and do not wear a mask in almost all scenarios.

1. The main reason is that I’ve thought Covid was an overreaction since day one. Based on my observations and my experiences getting Covid, I don’t think a true vaccine is necessary when comparing to other viruses that we can get and just deal with. I’m totally fine with the vaccines that have been around for years and year and they truly prevent diseases that are much more dangerous than Covid.

2. I don’t trust anyone and what they say about Covid or the “vaccine”. Too much different information coming from different sources, such as the number of people that have died “from Covid” or “with Covid”. I hear everywhere on the news that hospitals are overwhelmed yet I hear from real people that I know and work at hospitals that they are not overwhelmed. This issue has blown up so much that I don’t trust either side. People twist numbers around to fit their narrative. What I do trust is my body’s ability to fight off most viruses on its own, especially a virus that I already contracted and recovered from. I’m relatively young and healthy. I’ve been fine for 30 years, and I’ll be fine for a while longer.

3. I don’t personally know anyone that has struggled really hard with contracting Covid. A few of my runners seemed to struggle getting back to normal more after getting the vaccine compared to actually getting Covid. I probably don’t have any personal stories of people close to me struggling with Covid because pretty much the only people interact with are young healthy runners. That tells me that staying fit does a good enough job with preventing serious complications from Covid.

4. I don’t take very many meds in general. Didn’t take anything when I had Covid. I think I took a few ibuprofen when I was really sick in February 2020. I hate that the answer to everything is becoming more meds. People like shortcuts and the easy way out. Let’s say that taking a given drug and regular exercise with a decent diet have the same chances and success rate of preventing a virus. Most people in America would choose the drug because it’s the more convenient and easier option. I’m against that. Some people that have become diabetic because of poor lifelong diets would probably rather continue to eat like crap while paying for insulin rather than just fixing their diet if that was an option to get rid of the diabetes. My father seems to be one of those people. During lockdown when people had the opportunity to better their health and make better choices, many stayed inside and did the opposite. Some of that may have been because of fear that was struck into them by the media and they were genuinely afraid to go out, and some of that was just laziness.

5. On the masks, I just think all the disposable masks are a waste and they are adding waste to the environment. The benefit of cloth masks that almost everyone wears is not helping anything. People have their hands on too many things and eventually the hands touch the mask or face and everything spreads just as easily. It’s not realistic for humans to wear masks and not be fidgeting with them. Plus I just think negatives of breathing in your own s*** all day is worse for you than a little extra risk of catching Covid even if the masks do help.

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I’ve never been a political person. Never voted for anything or anyone. Didn’t identify as a democrat or a republican or even know what each party’s stance was on major issues. Didn’t care who was President. Never been a person to watch the news and still don’t. I’m a pretty simple person and don’t have many material desires in life, so I’ve never thought twice about getting taxed for this and that. I’ve always just figured that I am responsible for my own destiny, and I can get what I want through hard work no matter who is President. I didn’t think anything would ever change my views opinion on politics until Covid came along. I believe that everything has been mishandled so poorly that I couldn’t help but become more political. It doesn’t help that the President and VP of our country are constantly using the word republican and trying to bring them down just for the sake of doing it. A great leader should be unifying a group of people, and Joe Biden has done a great job of the opposite. I don’t care what someone’s political stance is as long as he or she is a good person. Too much politics in everything nowadays. I just want people to have a desire to work hard, stay physically active, avoid a lifestyle of luxury and take only what is needed (with occasional indulgence), and in general, just be a net positive for society.

There you go.

75 still alive wrote:

zxcvzxvc wrote:

Over 5 million people have died of COVID.

Hospitals get paid to put died with covid, regardless of the real cause, and they don't actually do any test for a covid19 virus. Additionally, dying with something is not the same as dying because of it.

zxcvzxvc wrote:

I've heard of maybe a dozen people who died from reactions to vaccines, and there have been billions of doses given.

Many millions of people have died from vaccinations, and many more have suffered serious effects from them.

Even if that were the case in the US, there are other countries where hospitals are not run in a for-profit system. I fill out death certificates on my patients. I can put whatever I want and there is no incentive to completing them (other the incentive of banning my admitting privileges if I fall too far behind on my documentation...).

Vaccines initially seemed quite effective at preventing spread. As the virus has changed they are clearly less effective to the point of being minimally effective (and maybe not at all effective in the case of Omicron). Up to this point they have been modestly to highly effective at prevent adverse CoViD outcomes.

They are as safe as most medications and a good deal safer than many. The risk benefit up to this point has favoured vaccines unless you believe you are being lied to by "The System".

As part of that system (albeit, not in the US), I can at least attest that people do get very sick, very quickly with this infection and they do die from it.

1. Trust. I once took a prescribed drug and nearly died because of a random allergic reaction.

2. Because I can hear those 90s-00s 3AM TV legal infomercials in my head...If you took the Pfizer vaccine during the COVID-19 pandemic and notice these side effects (a, b & c) you may be eligible for up to $50,000 in damages. Call our law offices now 1-888-MYMONEY. That's 1-888-MYMONEY. Dont wait!.

3. I believe I already had a bad case of COVID-19 before we were aware what it was. According to some debated papers, COVID was already circulating in Italy and France by October 2019 which is when I first got sick in the USA after sharing the same space with an elderly Frenchman, a 20 something hippie and a 60yo in shape woman. It started as a cold that didnt go away. I had three bouts of pneumonia from November 2019 through mid Feb 2020. Being sick was something I was so used to that it took me a day or two to realize I was no longer sick (that bad). I had a bad rash on my forehead that started out as blister like vesicles, conjunctivitis that seemed to spread to my nose, painful blisters that took a long time to heal (one on bridge of nose, one on lip), facial pain, brain fog, temporary vision impairment. I felt like I had sepsis in November 2019. I would wake up, take care of myself and go to bed thinking I would feel better only to get my @ss kicked again at night and wake up worse. I was unresponsive to antibiotics at this time. I had a weird texture of mucus in January 2020 that led to yet another painful rash. I woke up with strange red bumps in my nose that would subside during the day only to flare up again at night and in different spots. I lost sense of smell and taste. Some flare ups way up the nostril. I had long hauler effects through June 2020 (shortness of breath) and December 2020 (unexplainable extra skin sensitivity to cold). In any case, according to the accepted timeline of the pandemic I couldnt have had covid and that's the ultimate check for me. If they dont know when it was here -- and I do -- than the best they can offer is an incomplete solution. I already almost died in late January 2020. I am surprised I actually woke up some of those mornings. So if I already beat it and had the antibodies in April 2020 (test confirmed) why should I just accept these rushed vaccines somehow miraculously got it right? I'll take my chances.

osjthodj wrote:

100% honest answer and backstory here for why I remain unvaccinated.

What a great answer. Thank you for sharing.

I pretty much feel exactly the same way you expressed.

babaganosh wrote:

Vaccines initially seemed quite effective at preventing spread.

Up to this point they have been modestly to highly effective at prevent adverse CoViD outcomes.

I can at least attest that people do get very sick, very quickly with this infection and they do die from it.

Despite the fact that there is no valid test for a covid19 virus, you still say that people die from it, and that vaccines protect you from something you can't and have not done a test for. If you then put covid as the cause of death you are falsifying the death certificate.

This is the kind of lying and misinformation that you get from people who work for the drug corporations.

75 still alive wrote:

babaganosh wrote:

Vaccines initially seemed quite effective at preventing spread.

Up to this point they have been modestly to highly effective at prevent adverse CoViD outcomes.

I can at least attest that people do get very sick, very quickly with this infection and they do die from it.

Despite the fact that there is no valid test for a covid19 virus, you still say that people die from it, and that vaccines protect you from something you can't and have not done a test for. If you then put covid as the cause of death you are falsifying the death certificate.

This is the kind of lying and misinformation that you get from people who work for the drug corporations.

So let me get this right,

You claim that we are not even able to accurately make postmortem determination of death due to the Covid-19 virus after 5.4 million deaths, but "many millions of people have died from vaccinations".

Care to share your sources?

Or did you leave them back in the reading room of the Dementia Ward?

I’m 21 years old. Not vulnerable.

Got Covid in 2020, before vaccine.

I have natural immunity.

The Vaccine does not protect others nearly enough to justify the vaccine.

If you can’t risk taking the gamble with Corona, I’m all for someone getting vaxxed.

Young people should get vaxxed for things like MMR, but Covid is not really a threat, so I can’t say the same.

And now seeing that people who are triple Covid vaxxed are getting it with symptoms, just shows that there is not enough conclusive evidence.

There also is not enough rhetoric regarding preventative health precautions like diet and exercise being discussed by the vaccine zealots.

A lot of folks would much rather take a 5 second shot than consistently take care of their health.

The fact that Deblasio offered free Burgers and Fries for people to get vaccines shows the quackery that is the governmental public health stance.

Because I value my health.

selfish idiot wrote:

hmm. wrote:

Who told you that?

I hope Poopy Paul doesn't take any form of over the counter drug then: Ibuprofen, Tylenol (acetaminophen), aspirin....just about everything we use today has been developed off that initial fetal stem cell. Please don't let your principals fail you if you ever need to go to the hospital

False. Tylenol was developed in 1955. The HEK line was taken from a baby girl in 1973. Just because Tylenol testing was done years later doesn't mean Tylenol was developed using the HEK line.

It sounds less ghoulish to say that the embyonic cells were taken from an aborted fetus, but the reality is that the cells had to be taken while the baby was still alive. The baby girl suffered vivisection - because live cells were required. You can't get me far enough away from that barbaric act.

I was vaccinated, and then the definition of "vaccinated" changed.

I don't believe I need a booster shot for my age and for a less virulent strain of covid, so I will remain "unvaccinated" for the time being.

1. I saw a close family member have a terrible adverse reaction to the jab. This included loss of sensation in hands and feet, extreme fatigue, memory loss, disorientation, feeling cold, poor cognitive function, loss of balance. None of this was acknowledged by the NHS as being an adverse effect even though all symptoms came on all of a sudden a few days after the jab. Symptoms have persisted for over 8 months.

2. I checked my own personal risk from getting seriously ill as a result from catching Covid and it's negligable.

3. I believe there is too much conflict of interest from those making decisions about our public health. Their priority is to maximise vaccine uptake and not to protect public health.

4. There seems to be an ulterior motive to try and get everyone to have a digital identity. I think this will lead to vaccines for everything and a social credit system. I want no part in that.

Covid kills the elderly with multiple comorbidities.

The jab kills healthy young people

DanM wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Actually, I'm just sloppy with math.

Survival of 99.8% would be a death rate of 1 in 500. So the plane goes down 1 in 500 flights.

I didn't provide the stat, btw. But I'm right about its application.

What if I never become infected ? There were people who lived through the plague of the 14th Century because they were never infected.

What is your point? Obviously, there will be some people who never get infected.

But Omicron is so contagious that most people will either be vaccinated or infected.