Cole MF Hocker takes it to the WORLD CHAMP. Doubters, what do you say now?

You're talking about threading a needle here. Also,Nerves? The guy who's never been in a big race is going to manage his nerves and all the proven contenders are going to be nervous and slow the pace way down, makes sense?

lemmy from motorhead wrote:

Passant wrote:

Even the young Moroccan A. Sadikki run faster than both Americans with 3:33:59.

It's a bit unfortunate for this new generation of 1500m Moroccan runners.

Essayi probably fall from inexperience and some naivety in the first round.

There are a lot of talented runners that got unlucky in the Olympic games.

But I'm not counting in the dust...

The more deserving runners to win are:

1. Cheruuiyot

2. Kipsang

3. Ingerbrigsten.

Kipsang?!

Jake Wightman. Fifth fastest in this Olympic cycle, only behind Tim, Jakob, Katir and Manangoi, (thus ahead of McSweyn and the rest of the finalists). Just crushed his semi final. Comfortably beat Kipsang in Hengelo earlier in the year. Multiple Diamond League wins. A full second faster than Kipsang over 800m (only Cheruiyot and Lewandowski faster among current milers).

But then again, "deserving" is meaningless in advance of the race.

I could beat on the British runners but I'm not in comforts.

Still what did Jake Wightman in the semi-final break down all this "American fast kicker" theory.

Who was beating on Emmanuel Korir in the 800m before the Olympic Games?

3:33 - he finally qualified for the Olympics!

bike moit wrote:

You're talking about threading a needle here. Also,Nerves? The guy who's never been in a big race is going to manage his nerves and all the proven contenders are going to be nervous and slow the pace way down, makes sense?

Yes, everyone agrees winning a medal is going to be tough with two 3:28 guys who have the tools to thrive.

Nerves can affect anyone. See Grant Holloway. It's not even that Cole isn't nervous it's just if Tim/Jakob don't do what's expected, does Stewart definitely blast it or is there a lap that lags as everyone finds their bearings. There's a bunch of variables, and a slower than we expect final can transpire as much as Jakob, Tim and McSweyn expect a fast one.

i think hocker is still an unknown for a lot of these guys. hes never been in a race where he had to run faster than 333. he always runs as fast as he needs to win or qualify and never seems to be at his limit regardless of how fast he closes, etc. all the other guys have raced each other many times on the diamond league circuit and feel like they have a plan to dispose of one another. timothy cheruiyot himself said that hocker has a good kick and is a contender. the favorites dont always have a good day (granted it would likely take a very bad day from tim or jakob to see them fall off) but if they arent willing to keep the pace up they might find themselves in a less than optimal situation. it will probably be 100 degrees and humid for the race. im sure a lot of guys are excited to start out at 328 pace in conditions like that! i think its a coin flip if its just under 330 versus a little bit over. that leaves a lot of guys in contention....including hocker.

FWIW I don't think anyone is "scared" of Hocker. There seems to be some recognition of his talent/ability but anything more is hyperbolic. I agree with you there.

I get that you're being a realist, and that's fair.

Would you have predicted that Hocker would have done any of these things:

- 3:50? (From 3:58...)

- Outkicked the NCAA record holder @ 1500 to win NCAAs?

- Outkicked the reigning Olympic gold medalist to win USAs?

- Made the Olympic final from two very fast and competitive heats?

- *Not* been burned out by doing all of them in a relatively short amount of time while somehow managing to outshine his previous surprising accomplishment?

It looks to me like you're being quite conservative in your predictions but also choosing to interpret deserved praise for Hocker as people anointing him MF KING BIG DCK POTATO TIM SLAYER. Stereotyping the average Hocker supporter based on troll praise kinda looks like intentionally missing the point, no?

I'll ask a direct question: What place do you predict Hocker will finish on Saturday?

I think bronze, especially if the race isn't more or less single-file through ~800.

Top 10 fastest championship 1500's since 1983.

Year Time Last lap

1999 03:27.7 00:53.9

2019 03:29.3 00:54.8

2001 03:30.7 00:54.8

2003 03:31.8 00:53.9

2000 03:32.1 00:54.1

1984 03:32.5 00:53.2

1991 03:32.8 00:52.9

2008 03:33.1 00:53.5

2017 03:33.6 00:53.6

1995 03:33.7 00:51.3

*Outdoor only

Rojo likes to stir the pot, possibly to get traffic. But if they run a hard pace, I think some guys will crash and burn that last straight and Hocker may be able to pick some guys off for a top 5 finish if he's not too far behind. On the other hand, he's never run that type of pace so it's going to be new territory for him. Can't say how he'll react.

Has anyone 20 years old won Gold in the 1500?

joecrunner wrote:

Top 10 fastest championship 1500's since 1983.

Year Time Last lap

1999 03:27.7 00:53.9

2019 03:29.3 00:54.8

2001 03:30.7 00:54.8

2003 03:31.8 00:53.9

2000 03:32.1 00:54.1

1984 03:32.5 00:53.2

1991 03:32.8 00:52.9

2008 03:33.1 00:53.5

2017 03:33.6 00:53.6

1995 03:33.7 00:51.3

1999 03:27.7 00:53.9

When are these going to be expunged? This sht almost makes Marita Koch and Jarmila Kratochvílová blush.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

It is somewhat crazily true:

“I wanted him in shape to be able to run 3:27,” Mackey says. “And I think he is. I think he’s able to run 3:27-low.”

Just a reminder: only five men in history have run 3:27.

I'm not really sure who Danny Mackey has coached though to make such a claim. If Kerr is in 3:27 fitness, that heat is going to be some weird sort of footnote like Tim's Kenyan Trials race. The facts are his fastest run so far is a 3:31-mid with 900m of pacing at 3:30 pace and then a slowdown... And I'm not that impressed by the 800m workout either that looks completely inapplicable to the type of race we're going to see as well.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2021/07/2020-olympic-mens-1500-preview-timothy-cheruiyot-is-the-man-to-beat-but-will-we-get-another-olympic-upset/

Thanks. I was going in circles whether i read it here or elsewhere

Honestly don’t see much hocker hate and have to guess that most of it conjured by those who want to legitimatize his credibility to them. It’s easier to do that against an imaginary enemy. Seriously though, it makes sense he’s popular here: he’s an unattractive white man who hasn’t been vaccinated. I don’t discredit his skill. His form and body are weird but times don’t lie and he’s runs well. I just find the kid incredibly unlikeable.

Phil Ken Sebben wrote:

1999 03:27.7 00:53.9

When are these going to be expunged? This sht almost makes Marita Koch and Jarmila Kratochvílová blush.

You still have a "Moroccan" in this final hater (guess who he is?).

And good luck with the dreams...

He's not affiliated with either of those two Oregon clubs is he? So that's a positive, no pun intended.

Jim Ruyn could max at 3:28 in the best circumstances.

Now what we could expect from a guy that run in a weird style?

I'll ask a direct question: What place do you predict Hocker will finish on Saturday?

Point taken. I am painting Hocker supporters with a broad brush. The hyperbole gets to be a bit much, considering most of the people pumping him up will turn on him immediately if he doesn't medal.

What place do I think he'll finish? Hard to say. I think as high as 5th in a fast race. If it's slow he has an outside chance at medal as does the rest of field. But, if the second semi is any indication, I don't think it'll go that way.

I'm not say the guy isn't talented. I'm saying pump the breaks. There are a lot of big guns in this Olympic final and to ignore that is ridiculous.

the macdaddy og wrote:

AP5000 wrote:

Exactly. Lot of faster dudes in the second SF. People are really convincing themselves he can beat Timmy, and Jakon I and McSywen, and Wightman and Kerr and Kipsang.

Kerr and McSweyn? Have you watched the heats/semis?

They were 3rd and 4th in betting odds going into the games. Odds are offline for now, but I bet they are 6th/7th when they come back up.

They are no longer medal contenders. They’ve looked like garbage thus far.

Huh? Did they not just both run their SF over a second faster than Hocker? What race did you watch? Did you seriously just quote betting odds just try and justify something? Oh boy... 9 guys ran faster than Hocker in that SF.

Can we be LetsRun arch nemeses? I hate dirty Moroccans, North Afs in general, and miraculous out-of-nowhere Spaniards, in particular.

You hate anglos and Semites while simultaneously defiling the boards with victim complex BS all under this and other handles.

We're perfect for one another.

Fair enough and totally reasonable.

There are so many great 1500m guys right now it’s hard to even predict a top 5 in order. I think it’ll be unexpected the order.

1st- Jakob 3:27

2nd - Tim 3:27

3rd - Kerr 3:27 high

4th - weightman 3:28

5th - Kenyan 3:28