LETESENBET GIDEY RESPONDS TO SIFAN HASSAN AND BREAKS 10K WR, RUNS 29:01.03!!

runderun wrote:

American runs a time they've never been close to before: Yay for hard training during covid! What a talented generation of runners that happened to come along right now! The shoes don't do anything.

Runner of African descent runs a time they've clearly signalled they are capable of: doper! Doper! Doper! And the shoes! Man, the shoes are like rocket boosters, but they don't work for Americans.

I don't think those who think like that realise how bad it really is. Someone must use this website for academic research one day. The xenophobia is so blatant, thorough and consistent. American society is so isolated and solipsistic it has a kind of narcissism and self-idealism where it feels sharply threatened, mortified, by anything that is perceived to bethere than it or that garners more attention, adulation and energy.

MR1815 wrote:

runderun wrote:

American runs a time they've never been close to before: Yay for hard training during covid! What a talented generation of runners that happened to come along right now! The shoes don't do anything.

Runner of African descent runs a time they've clearly signalled they are capable of: doper! Doper! Doper! And the shoes! Man, the shoes are like rocket boosters, but they don't work for Americans.

I don't think those who think like that realise how bad it really is. Someone must use this website for academic research one day. The xenophobia is so blatant, thorough and consistent. American society is so isolated and solipsistic it has a kind of narcissism and self-idealism where it feels sharply threatened, mortified, by anything that is perceived to bethere than it or that garners more attention, adulation and energy.

So to have doping suspicions of foreign athletes is "xenophobic"? You're only allowing to be suspicious of your own nationals?

THIS is exactly the point. Notice how in all these conversations its always the Africans being blamed for doping. Its ridiculous to say doping controls n Africa are weak. They are conducted by WADA certified officials. The US is the world leader in medicine and research. IF someone in Africa can dope so effectively and get away with it, whats stopping an American? Because they are so honorable? Gimme a break. If people like ArmstrongLivs thinks all runners are dirty then boy are the Americans such no talents that even with drugs they are this slow??? There IS a reason good runners are getting faster and its the shoe technology. Combine that with talent, hard training and genetics and you will get these kids of results. Occams Razor. Its staring you in the face.

runderun wrote:

American runs a time they've never been close to before: Yay for hard training during covid! What a talented generation of runners that happened to come along right now! The shoes don't do anything.

Runner of African descent runs a time they've clearly signalled they are capable of: doper! Doper! Doper! And the shoes! Man, the shoes are like rocket boosters, but they don't work for Americans.

And if we want proof that American athletes will cheat: we have cycling and baseball and probably every other sport.

Someone from any other country just has to say the name Lance Armstrong and any argument about American doping exceptionalism dies. Or Regina Jacobs or Alberto Salazar.

To be clear, I don't think Americans are dirtier than other countries. I just think probably everyone cheats.

PEDs are everywhere in t&f. If you think that people are only critical of foreign athletes you’re wrong. The suspicions of runners of East African descent stems from the fact that a lot of them are so far ahead of everyone else. Aside from Junxia, the first woman of non-African descent on the all-time 10,000 list is Radcliffe at 12th! Over a minute slower. The first American is Huddle at 21. So, yeah, the faster you run the more suspicious people will be. A guy running 80 mile weeks putting in hard interval training that can only muster a 16:20 5k isn’t going to draw suspension no matter where he’s from. As for me, anyone in a world-class final is suspicious.

And it’s both the shoes and PEDs. PEDs have been around a long time. What’s changed recently? Ah, shoes.

fxhjb2 wrote:

And it’s both the shoes and PEDs. PEDs have been around a long time. What’s changed recently? Ah, shoes.

And the wavelights. And decreased testing because of Covid.

This here is the latest country-by-country comparison I have seen- not everyone dopes the same:

In-competition blood-doping at Worlds 2011 + 2013:

Country 2011 2013

Ukraine 89% 25% wow

Ethiopia 19% 30%

Kenya 19% 13%

USA 14% 17%

GB 4% 18%

Australia 0% 4% very nice

Japan 0% 0% awesome!

For context, average was 18% in 2011 and 15% in 2013.

Earlier data based on the more generous ABP thresholds resulted in smaller numbers (Sunday Times 2015). There, the "leaders" were Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Greece, Morocco and Bulgaria, with percentages from 30 - 22%; at least twice as high as Kenya's 11%, which was on par with the EU countries Holland and Spain. For comparison, UK and USA had 4% and 5%, respectively.

Wake me up when an American runs times equivalent to Hassan’s & Gidey’s 29:0x.

I will be the first one screaming that it’s drugs.

casual obsever wrote:

fxhjb2 wrote:

And it’s both the shoes and PEDs. PEDs have been around a long time. What’s changed recently? Ah, shoes.

And the wavelights. And decreased testing because of Covid.

This here is the latest country-by-country comparison I have seen- not everyone dopes the same:

In-competition blood-doping at Worlds 2011 + 2013:

Country 2011 2013

Ukraine 89% 25% wow

Ethiopia 19% 30%

Kenya 19% 13%

USA 14% 17%

GB 4% 18%

Australia 0% 4% very nice

Japan 0% 0% awesome!

For context, average was 18% in 2011 and 15% in 2013.

Earlier data based on the more generous ABP thresholds resulted in smaller numbers (Sunday Times 2015). There, the "leaders" were Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Greece, Morocco and Bulgaria, with percentages from 30 - 22%; at least twice as high as Kenya's 11%, which was on par with the EU countries Holland and Spain. For comparison, UK and USA had 4% and 5%, respectively.

These stats really do prove that the four countries most talked about on this board (US, UK, Ethiopia, Kenya) do dope at about the same rate.

Sad truth wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

And the wavelights. And decreased testing because of Covid.

This here is the latest country-by-country comparison I have seen- not everyone dopes the same:

In-competition blood-doping at Worlds 2011 + 2013:

Country 2011 2013

Ukraine 89% 25% wow

Ethiopia 19% 30%

Kenya 19% 13%

USA 14% 17%

GB 4% 18%

Australia 0% 4% very nice

Japan 0% 0% awesome!

For context, average was 18% in 2011 and 15% in 2013.

Earlier data based on the more generous ABP thresholds resulted in smaller numbers (Sunday Times 2015). There, the "leaders" were Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Greece, Morocco and Bulgaria, with percentages from 30 - 22%; at least twice as high as Kenya's 11%, which was on par with the EU countries Holland and Spain. For comparison, UK and USA had 4% and 5%, respectively.

These stats really do prove that the four countries most talked about on this board (US, UK, Ethiopia, Kenya) do dope at about the same rate.

. . . Yes, the numbers are different but I don't take much comfort in 4/18 vs. 19/30. Both are pretty bad.

OK fair enough, so go ahead and anyone, name a US running right now who you think is doping. Centro, Chelimo, Lomong, Rupp, Walmsley? How about Mu or Coburn or Quigley? They are all clean? Gimme some names of people you think are shady.

fxhjb2 wrote:

PEDs are everywhere in t&f. If you think that people are only critical of foreign athletes you’re wrong. The suspicions of runners of East African descent stems from the fact that a lot of them are so far ahead of everyone else. .

reviewing

now africans would be winning without drugs.

with drugs, then the competition is over completely.

reviewing tell tale signs of non-female / PEDs - photo evidence, etc.

* jump in performance rapidly - after full maturity

* beard

* bony brow

* jaw of mike tyson

* muscular development of non running muscles

* coach convicted of PED

* agent convidted of PED

* training partners with PED

* area where there is scant testing

* strange splits i.e. closing near world record pace for 3K in a 10K race

* bug eyes (developed)

* little recovery required after record performance. i.e. tired for 20 seconds, do an energetic victory lap.

* have half the best all time performances and elite lists come from a small population, area.

* train in very remote locations

by non female, this means genetics are not fully female, or actually make.

Tommy2Nutz wrote:

OK fair enough, so go ahead and anyone, name a US running right now who you think is doping.

Centro, Chelimo, Lomong, Rupp, Walmsley? How about Mu or Coburn or Quigley? They are all clean?

Gimme some names of people you think are shady.

fxhjb2 wrote:

PEDs are everywhere in t&f. If you think that people are only critical of foreign athletes you’re wrong. The suspicions of runners of East African descent stems from the fact that a lot of them are so far ahead of everyone else. .

Well, that’s the problem - those that are on something have ruined it for those that are not and so everyone is suspicious. Anyone in a world-class final is suspicious otherwise they wouldn’t be on a list to test. The faster someone runs the more suspicion (unfortunately). Could it be that everyone in an Olympic 5,000 final start line is clean? I guess but it’s hardly likely. It could be that there are some that are but we will never know.

My biggest complaint at the moment are the shoes. PEDs have been around a while but the shoes are a new thing that should be looked into more.

It is one of the classic dodges. Concern about doping is allegedly jingoistic, or xenophobic or racist or biased or bigoted or phobic. It's anti-Soviet or anti-East German or anti-Spain or anti-China and or sinophobic or anti-Africa, etc.

Whatever else you want to say, it is undeniable that Gidey has the most efficiently beautiful form of any female distance runner in history. I remember seeing her in the pack of the 5000 final in London '17 and thinking "WOW, that is a human gazelle!"

this site is full of the world's top doping experts .why do testing, just ask the experts here. if they don't know they will tell you anyway. i wish they would set up a seperate site and vectors all the drug crap there so someone who actually is interested in track can follow track.

Armstronglivs wrote:

MR1815 wrote:

I don't think those who think like that realise how bad it really is. Someone must use this website for academic research one day. The xenophobia is so blatant, thorough and consistent. American society is so isolated and solipsistic it has a kind of narcissism and self-idealism where it feels sharply threatened, mortified, by anything that is perceived to bethere than it or that garners more attention, adulation and energy.

So to have doping suspicions of foreign athletes is "xenophobic"? You're only allowing to be suspicious of your own nationals?

You HAD to respond because you are one of them.

Whataboutism.

WEGT wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So to have doping suspicions of foreign athletes is "xenophobic"? You're only allowing to be suspicious of your own nationals?

You HAD to respond because you are one of them.

Since I spend a bit of time criticizing America on these threads I guess that does make me "xenophobic". Oh - and that I dont like doping wherever it is - and it does seem to be in a lot of countries. Like probably all. A strange definition of "xenophobic". I guess WADA is also xenophobic.