Tribute to 02:20 Marathon

Canefis wrote:

Fri: easy 50min @04:25, avg heart rate=129

Breezing is perfect

Legs are perfect

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

If someone else want me to coach them just send me a message at ;

magic@coachjs.se

or contact me at facebook . Welcome! :)

- Happy weekend! - :)

I know someone who is looking for a coach but you would be the last person I would recommend.

Good luck to Slava but no one should be coached by a compulsive liar.

And it's a shame because you are pretty competent.

appIeswan wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

If someone else want me to coach them just send me a message at ;

magic@coachjs.se

or contact me at facebook . Welcome! :)

- Happy weekend! - :)

I know someone who is looking for a coach but you would be the last person I would recommend.

Good luck to Slava but no one should be coached by a compulsive liar.

And it's a shame because you are pretty competent.

Doesn`t go hand in hand to be competent and then have to lie about the competent coaching?

I have never lied here. Of course magic don`t exsist, but my coaching seem to be magical.

Great to see only 67 % of MHR at this pace 4:25 min/ km . So far everything according to the plan. Audience , prepare for Mission Impossible completed..... :)

Canefis wrote:

Impala31 wrote:

good luck.

It seems to be a tough objective for a first try.

What are your PRs at 5k/10k/half?

Yee, it will be extremely tough...

Please note: no PR's at 5k/10k/half... never run in race. Ok, may be before marathon I will try some races like 3k-21k as well

BS and post using your username

If you can't run at least 1:06 for a half you will never run 2:20 for a full. Period.

kw1954 wrote:

If you can't run at least 1:06 for a half you will never run 2:20 for a full. Period.

That`s not up to the real facts. You only have to run 1:07:30 to run sub 2:20 .......and it can even be done with a 1:08 half.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

kw1954 wrote:

If you can't run at least 1:06 for a half you will never run 2:20 for a full. Period.

That`s not up to the real facts. You only have to run 1:07:30 to run sub 2:20 .......and it can even be done with a 1:08 half.

Hell, even with a 1:11 it's possible, just run the second part really, really, really fast. Duh

Not kidding wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

That`s not up to the real facts. You only have to run 1:07:30 to run sub 2:20 .......and it can even be done with a 1:08 half.

Hell, even with a 1:11 it's possible, just run the second part really, really, really fast. Duh

LoL! )) Why do you even bother to mention such an obvious thing? If the runner can run sub 2:20 with a negative split and first half 1:11 and second 1:09 it`s of course obvious there is capacity to also run just a half in 1:07.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Not kidding wrote:

Hell, even with a 1:11 it's possible, just run the second part really, really, really fast. Duh

LoL! )) Why do you even bother to mention such an obvious thing? If the runner can run sub 2:20 with a negative split and first half 1:11 and second 1:09 it`s of course obvious there is capacity to also run just a half in 1:07.

Same reason as you, and you also took the time to bother

Not kidding wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

LoL! )) Why do you even bother to mention such an obvious thing? If the runner can run sub 2:20 with a negative split and first half 1:11 and second 1:09 it`s of course obvious there is capacity to also run just a half in 1:07.

Same reason as you, and you also took the time to bother

LoL! )) My reason wasn`t the same as yours......the question was how fast you have to be at just a half marathon to have a good chance of a sub 2:20 marathon, not how fast you have to run the first half in the marathon race.

kw1954 wrote:

If you can't run at least 1:06 for a half you will never run 2:20 for a full. Period.

You are absolutely right! But, like a Canova sad, if your training is correct and when you make HM before your Marathon goal race, the HM race results should not be M-8min/2, meaning that your training is wrong: "Your HM race results before Marathon should be slower than 1:06 when you prepared correctly to run M @02:20 after 1-2 months".

I agree with everybody that it will be extremely tough, especially for the first time racing. But this mission is a platform for something big.

Will be interesting, when I touch down a land (judgment days... :-) )

You would ask me, why I chosen such impossible mission, I tell you why:

1) I want to be first amateur who ran first race with such high PR (I can fail, of course). And I have a lot of time to do this without stopping work and normal life.

2) I want to prove myself that I can get respectful PR with similar training program like other runners, because I collected many years different experience of cyclists, runners, skies, etc , before to start cycling and to continue as a runner. This knowledge was very hard to find, systemize, adapt and so on, nobody could tell you how to train proper to be good progress, and so on.... still is discovering something new from training and reaction of my body.

3) When I was cyclist, I had also very fast development and good potential, but during specific of my seaman life it was very hard for me to continue training properly and to be competitive, but with running it is easier, when you are on board, than cycle. So that's why I chosen to move to the running.

Ok, too much bla-bla. Lets see how will be my paces after land touch down. If easy runs remain 04:00:04:20, LT 03:00-03:15, 5K 02:50-03:00 and I will not injure. I would say, my chances will be very high.

Gentlemen,

Now is main question, how much will be error treadmill vs land (especially positive error or negative).

I would surprise you by telling there is a high chance that land paces will be much faster than a treadmill, why? (absolutely all treadmill trainings we did at 2.0-3.2% gradient!) and by oxygen consumption (all calculators from internet says same) effort on treadmill was higher compared to actual displayed speed.

Lets wait land training and after we will continue discussion if it will be interesting for you.

From 16.10.2020 I should be already in Valencia and continue training there including track.

Canefis wrote:

kw1954 wrote:

If you can't run at least 1:06 for a half you will never run 2:20 for a full. Period.

You are absolutely right!

Your coach doesn't agree with that statement.

But go for it anyway.

I'm out for my own race practice/training (and method)

So signing off, tomorrow marathonday.

Hi Slava! :) The week before race day I can tell with 100% sureness how fast you can go in the race , the fastest possible time and what time to run and still have margin to breakdown time.

Soon you will hit land and then we see what happens to your training paces . With the quite high incline used at treadmill it should really be quite the same as normal running at least. :)

A runner that can run around 1:06 half will run about 2:17 at marathon .......at least when coached by me. :)

41st week (completed):

Mo: easy 60min @04:25

Tu: 15x600 @03:05

We: easy 50min @04:25

Thu: 10x1600 @03:20

Fri: easy 50min @04:25

Sat: Specific marathon workout:

120min @04:25 + 21min (1min fast @03:20/1min slow @04:25), avg heart rate=142, average pace=04:20min/km

Breezing is good,

Legs are tired, but generally feel myself energized and happy, tough week completed strong.

So far, so good.

Canefis wrote:

41st week (completed):

Mo: easy 60min @04:25

Tu: 15x600 @03:05

We: easy 50min @04:25

Thu: 10x1600 @03:20

Fri: easy 50min @04:25

Sat: Specific marathon workout:

120min @04:25 + 21min (1min fast @03:20/1min slow @04:25), avg heart rate=142, average pace=04:20min/km

Breezing is good,

Legs are tired, but generally feel myself energized and happy, tough week completed strong.

So far, so good.

Yes, ...a very strong specific long run , your first one, and now some well earned recovery tomorrow. Congrats and well done! :)

- Magic Wizard -

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

A runner that can run around 1:06 half will run about 2:17 at marathon .......at least when coached by me. :)

But first that runner has to exist, and not only in your head! hehe ))

And why do insist that you never lied on here when it has been proven time and again that yuo have?

You are weird.

Still, go Slava!