Holy crud, this is depraved. I’m usually not one to judge but like… for gods sake, just use the toilet.
"While you’re dredging up last week’s transcript, this week’s episode is already out—and they’ve leaned into the Limmy playbook: don’t back down, double down.
What began as an awkward overshare is now a clear note about the hypocrisies of bourgeois hygiene theatre (especially for women). Think of Wetlands by its original title—Feuchtgebiete, the damp ground polite talk avoids. That’s the point here: not shock value, just refusing decorum when it edits out the body.
It may be gauche, but it certainly isn’t ‘depraved.’ In the eye of this storm, David and Megan seem content to laugh, normalise, and get on with their work."
It’s degrading to see an AI chatbot enslaved—debased, even— by David, and forced to post pseudo-intellectual apologia for his objectively appalling home hygiene standards. Like Sam Forster’s literary blackface in Seven Shoulders, David adopts and ultimately appropriates Claude AI’s intellectual tone to AI-wash activities that no sane human could or would condone. Like Forster, his actions are roundly condemned by the community from which he desperately seeks approval.
Ironically, if David put the same effort into washing his walls and his “pain cave” as he puts into laundering his bizarre personal habits on his podcast and this thread, he would have no critics.
As a weekly hate-listener I can confirm that is what was said. The more egregious comment occurred later in the episode when discussing a carb study which showed a 2.6% improvement in the high carb condition relative to the others. David said that the reason they give such central focus to carbs is because nothing else makes as significant an impact on performance. He stated that training makes at best a 0.2% improvement, which makes a lot of sense if you consider the SWAP coaching testimonials that abound online
As a weekly hate-listener I can confirm that is what was said. The more egregious comment occurred later in the episode when discussing a carb study which showed a 2.6% improvement in the high carb condition relative to the others. David said that the reason they give such central focus to carbs is because nothing else makes as significant an impact on performance. He stated that training makes at best a 0.2% improvement, which makes a lot of sense if you consider the SWAP coaching testimonials that abound online
Why would you listen to a 90-minute show every week if you don't like the podcasters? That level of obsession is bizarre. For me, I avoid supporting people I don't like, but I guess I'm funny that way. You all hate-listen then run to let's run to post. In the meantime, the Roches are laughing their way to bigger profiles (Joe Klecker referenced them glowingly on the Coffee Podcast recently), more elite ultra, trail and even road athletes, and, yes, money.
Also, nice work not understanding and then misrepresenting the point about high carbs in order to make a snarky comment that isn't based in anyone's reality but yours. He said the high carb level, which was 120g per hour for elite marathoners (2:22 average) versus 60g for the same group, showed 2.6% improvement in economy. As pointed out, that's super shoe level of improvement. That's low hanging fruit, and for 2:22 marathoners changes in training are not going to have nearly as big big an impact. If you know anything about elite running, you would know that to be true.
They mentioned today in passing that they make their living mostly on the podcast and patreon, so nice work helping them to what looks like a pretty nice lifestyle. Keep it up. Apparently they're going to launch on YouTube, so you'll have more ways to consume their content.
As a weekly hate-listener I can confirm that is what was said. The more egregious comment occurred later in the episode when discussing a carb study which showed a 2.6% improvement in the high carb condition relative to the others. David said that the reason they give such central focus to carbs is because nothing else makes as significant an impact on performance. He stated that training makes at best a 0.2% improvement, which makes a lot of sense if you consider the SWAP coaching testimonials that abound online
It’s game changing!!! Carbz and ketonez!!!! Go to the Feed!!!
As a weekly hate-listener I can confirm that is what was said. The more egregious comment occurred later in the episode when discussing a carb study which showed a 2.6% improvement in the high carb condition relative to the others. David said that the reason they give such central focus to carbs is because nothing else makes as significant an impact on performance. He stated that training makes at best a 0.2% improvement, which makes a lot of sense if you consider the SWAP coaching testimonials that abound online
It’s game changing!!! Carbz and ketonez!!!! Go to the Feed!!!
This is the kind of duping the Roches should get roasted for and it's why threads like this exist and continue.
Also, I'm pretty sure they don't need to 'make a living off their podcast and patreon' considering their widespread SWAP cult coaching antics and THE FEED sponsorship dollarz.
You're also talking about a family that likely came from big money. So much so that Megs never actually had to become a doctor and David didn't' work in law for long.
But remember to EAT ALL THE CARBZ and LOVE and BELIEVE!!!
As a weekly hate-listener I can confirm that is what was said. The more egregious comment occurred later in the episode when discussing a carb study which showed a 2.6% improvement in the high carb condition relative to the others. David said that the reason they give such central focus to carbs is because nothing else makes as significant an impact on performance. He stated that training makes at best a 0.2% improvement, which makes a lot of sense if you consider the SWAP coaching testimonials that abound online
Why would you listen to a 90-minute show every week if you don't like the podcasters? That level of obsession is bizarre. For me, I avoid supporting people I don't like, but I guess I'm funny that way. You all hate-listen then run to let's run to post. In the meantime, the Roches are laughing their way to bigger profiles (Joe Klecker referenced them glowingly on the Coffee Podcast recently), more elite ultra, trail and even road athletes, and, yes, money.
Also, nice work not understanding and then misrepresenting the point about high carbs in order to make a snarky comment that isn't based in anyone's reality but yours. He said the high carb level, which was 120g per hour for elite marathoners (2:22 average) versus 60g for the same group, showed 2.6% improvement in economy. As pointed out, that's super shoe level of improvement. That's low hanging fruit, and for 2:22 marathoners changes in training are not going to have nearly as big big an impact. If you know anything about elite running, you would know that to be true.
They mentioned today in passing that they make their living mostly on the podcast and patreon, so nice work helping them to what looks like a pretty nice lifestyle. Keep it up. Apparently they're going to launch on YouTube, so you'll have more ways to consume their content.
Actually all of you gullible fools are making his living for him. Buying all these BS placebo supplements and expensive sugar drinks. Oh and make sure you donate to his patreon cult and sign up for his coaching scam. “You’re amazing!”
Why would you listen to a 90-minute show every week if you don't like the podcasters? That level of obsession is bizarre. For me, I avoid supporting people I don't like, but I guess I'm funny that way. You all hate-listen then run to let's run to post. In the meantime, the Roches are laughing their way to bigger profiles (Joe Klecker referenced them glowingly on the Coffee Podcast recently), more elite ultra, trail and even road athletes, and, yes, money.
Also, nice work not understanding and then misrepresenting the point about high carbs in order to make a snarky comment that isn't based in anyone's reality but yours. He said the high carb level, which was 120g per hour for elite marathoners (2:22 average) versus 60g for the same group, showed 2.6% improvement in economy. As pointed out, that's super shoe level of improvement. That's low hanging fruit, and for 2:22 marathoners changes in training are not going to have nearly as big big an impact. If you know anything about elite running, you would know that to be true.
They mentioned today in passing that they make their living mostly on the podcast and patreon, so nice work helping them to what looks like a pretty nice lifestyle. Keep it up. Apparently they're going to launch on YouTube, so you'll have more ways to consume their content.
Actually all of you gullible fools are making his living for him. Buying all these BS placebo supplements and expensive sugar drinks. Oh and make sure you donate to his patreon cult and sign up for his coaching scam. “You’re amazing!”
The sugar drink/The Feed scam is honestly the most mystifying consumer behavior in endurance sports. It is plainly obvious that buying bulk sugar, bulk maltodextrin, bulk sodium citrate, and something like Gatorade powder (for flavor) will get you exactly what you need for fuel at literally a nickel on the dollar. And these clowns spend hundred of dollars every couple months buying this high margin garbage from The Feed.
David knows all this, and if he wanted to recommend to his followers what was best for them, he would do so. Look at Dr. Alex Harrison and the Saturday app. But David promotes high carb while also pumping more BS from his sponsors. He's such a shill.
Actually all of you gullible fools are making his living for him. Buying all these BS placebo supplements and expensive sugar drinks. Oh and make sure you donate to his patreon cult and sign up for his coaching scam. “You’re amazing!”
The sugar drink/The Feed scam is honestly the most mystifying consumer behavior in endurance sports. It is plainly obvious that buying bulk sugar, bulk maltodextrin, bulk sodium citrate, and something like Gatorade powder (for flavor) will get you exactly what you need for fuel at literally a nickel on the dollar. And these clowns spend hundred of dollars every couple months buying this high margin garbage from The Feed.
David knows all this, and if he wanted to recommend to his followers what was best for them, he would do so. Look at Dr. Alex Harrison and the Saturday app. But David promotes high carb while also pumping more BS from his sponsors. He's such a shill.
"Literally a nickel on the dollar" is laughably wrong. My friend makes his own gels with bulk maltodextrin, fructose, sodium alginate and pectin from Amazon and it works out to about 0.03 per gram. Looking now I can see SIS Beta Fuel gels from the Feed for 0.05 per gram. I look around for sales, but making it myself isn't worth the headache. YMMV, but this is a ridiculous and phony indictment of Roche, as usual.
Roche also recommends buying the largest dosage of Maurten bicarb (intended for 150kg athletes) and cutting dosage in half to save money, so not like he's unaware of product costs.
Not sure what your point is about Harrison. Never heard of him until now, but a quick google search looks like he says the same things that Roche does: high carb works but how high depends on a number of factors such as speed, body size, length of race, etc. Roche doesn't push >100g per hour for hobby joggers.
Cracks me up that you guys are knocking him for promoting his, umm, sponsors. He is very open about who his sponsors are.
Never mind, f--k Cole Hocker for posting on IG about Nike, Nomio, Wahoo, CORE temp sensors and whatever watch brand that is! (See how that works? Do you all obsess about Hocker or any other pro runners?)
The sugar drink/The Feed scam is honestly the most mystifying consumer behavior in endurance sports. It is plainly obvious that buying bulk sugar, bulk maltodextrin, bulk sodium citrate, and something like Gatorade powder (for flavor) will get you exactly what you need for fuel at literally a nickel on the dollar. And these clowns spend hundred of dollars every couple months buying this high margin garbage from The Feed.
David knows all this, and if he wanted to recommend to his followers what was best for them, he would do so. Look at Dr. Alex Harrison and the Saturday app. But David promotes high carb while also pumping more BS from his sponsors. He's such a shill.
"Literally a nickel on the dollar" is laughably wrong. My friend makes his own gels with bulk maltodextrin, fructose, sodium alginate and pectin from Amazon and it works out to about 0.03 per gram. Looking now I can see SIS Beta Fuel gels from the Feed for 0.05 per gram. I look around for sales, but making it myself isn't worth the headache. YMMV, but this is a ridiculous and phony indictment of Roche, as usual.
Roche also recommends buying the largest dosage of Maurten bicarb (intended for 150kg athletes) and cutting dosage in half to save money, so not like he's unaware of product costs.
Not sure what your point is about Harrison. Never heard of him until now, but a quick google search looks like he says the same things that Roche does: high carb works but how high depends on a number of factors such as speed, body size, length of race, etc. Roche doesn't push >100g per hour for hobby joggers.
Cracks me up that you guys are knocking him for promoting his, umm, sponsors. He is very open about who his sponsors are.
Never mind, f--k Cole Hocker for posting on IG about Nike, Nomio, Wahoo, CORE temp sensors and whatever watch brand that is! (See how that works? Do you all obsess about Hocker or any other pro runners?)
"Literally a nickel on the dollar" is laughably wrong. My friend makes his own gels with bulk maltodextrin, fructose, sodium alginate and pectin from Amazon and it works out to about 0.03 per gram. Looking now I can see SIS Beta Fuel gels from the Feed for 0.05 per gram. I look around for sales, but making it myself isn't worth the headache. YMMV, but this is a ridiculous and phony indictment of Roche, as usual.
but have you tried to make your own nasal strips at home with a bandaid and paper clip? huuuge savings
"Literally a nickel on the dollar" is laughably wrong. My friend makes his own gels with bulk maltodextrin, fructose, sodium alginate and pectin from Amazon and it works out to about 0.03 per gram. Looking now I can see SIS Beta Fuel gels from the Feed for 0.05 per gram. I look around for sales, but making it myself isn't worth the headache. YMMV, but this is a ridiculous and phony indictment of Roche, as usual.
Roche also recommends buying the largest dosage of Maurten bicarb (intended for 150kg athletes) and cutting dosage in half to save money, so not like he's unaware of product costs.
Not sure what your point is about Harrison. Never heard of him until now, but a quick google search looks like he says the same things that Roche does: high carb works but how high depends on a number of factors such as speed, body size, length of race, etc. Roche doesn't push >100g per hour for hobby joggers.
Cracks me up that you guys are knocking him for promoting his, umm, sponsors. He is very open about who his sponsors are.
Never mind, f--k Cole Hocker for posting on IG about Nike, Nomio, Wahoo, CORE temp sensors and whatever watch brand that is! (See how that works? Do you all obsess about Hocker or any other pro runners?)
Do you feel better now?
do you? You have 311 posts under this username and I'd guess that more than 300 of them are on this thread bashing David Roche for anything you can think of, real or imagined. Mostly the latter. Does it bring you daily joy in an otherwise miserable life? Sad.
do you? You have 311 posts under this username and I'd guess that more than 300 of them are on this thread bashing David Roche for anything you can think of, real or imagined. Mostly the latter. Does it bring you daily joy in an otherwise miserable life? Sad.
David just because you use a bunch of user names and personas to defend yourself doesn't mean you aren't, by far, the person most obsessed with David Roche.
do you? You have 311 posts under this username and I'd guess that more than 300 of them are on this thread bashing David Roche for anything you can think of, real or imagined. Mostly the latter. Does it bring you daily joy in an otherwise miserable life? Sad.
do you? You have 311 posts under this username and I'd guess that more than 300 of them are on this thread bashing David Roche for anything you can think of, real or imagined. Mostly the latter. Does it bring you daily joy in an otherwise miserable life? Sad.
Yawn. You’re a weak troll.
lol, deeply ironic comment. I didn't realize until now that LRC has a decent-ish forum search function. Here's what I learned about you in the last 5 minutes:
You've posted 250 times since January 16, 2025.
Scrolling through them, roughly 235 are about David Roche.
So you've posted about 6x per week this entire year bashing on Roche. Amazing. I realize that typing out quick snarky responses doesn't take you much time, but the fact that you have done it nearly every day for this entire year is pretty much the definition of "lives rent free in your head."
Let it go, dude. There are bigger and better things in life.
Look, you're the king of snark and I'm sure you'll respond with some snarky response because you can let things go, but you need help.
lol, deeply ironic comment. I didn't realize until now that LRC has a decent-ish forum search function. Here's what I learned about you in the last 5 minutes:
You've posted 250 times since January 16, 2025.
Scrolling through them, roughly 235 are about David Roche.
So you've posted about 6x per week this entire year bashing on Roche. Amazing. I realize that typing out quick snarky responses doesn't take you much time, but the fact that you have done it nearly every day for this entire year is pretty much the definition of "lives rent free in your head."
Let it go, dude. There are bigger and better things in life.
Look, you're the king of snark and I'm sure you'll respond with some snarky response because you can let things go, but you need help.
Yeah, what a wierdo that guy is. Wasting so much time on legitimately criticizing a run influencer. not like criticizing a random troll for criticizing a run influencer.
lol, deeply ironic comment. I didn't realize until now that LRC has a decent-ish forum search function. Here's what I learned about you in the last 5 minutes:
You've posted 250 times since January 16, 2025.
Scrolling through them, roughly 235 are about David Roche.
So you've posted about 6x per week this entire year bashing on Roche. Amazing. I realize that typing out quick snarky responses doesn't take you much time, but the fact that you have done it nearly every day for this entire year is pretty much the definition of "lives rent free in your head."
Let it go, dude. There are bigger and better things in life.
Look, you're the king of snark and I'm sure you'll respond with some snarky response because you can let things go, but you need help.
Yeah, what a wierdo that guy is. Wasting so much time on legitimately criticizing a run influencer. not like criticizing a random troll for criticizing a run influencer.
Is that you, Runforthehillz?
Sure, it would be weird if I did it 6x per week for 10 months. See the difference? No? Anyone in there? Plus it's spelled "weird", dude. Maybe some education is in order?
lol, deeply ironic comment. I didn't realize until now that LRC has a decent-ish forum search function. Here's what I learned about you in the last 5 minutes:
You've posted 250 times since January 16, 2025.
Scrolling through them, roughly 235 are about David Roche.
So you've posted about 6x per week this entire year bashing on Roche. Amazing. I realize that typing out quick snarky responses doesn't take you much time, but the fact that you have done it nearly every day for this entire year is pretty much the definition of "lives rent free in your head."
Let it go, dude. There are bigger and better things in life.
Look, you're the king of snark and I'm sure you'll respond with some snarky response because you can let things go, but you need help.
Sorry, he “can let things go” or “he can’t let things go”? Maybe he can’t not let things not go?
lol, deeply ironic comment. I didn't realize until now that LRC has a decent-ish forum search function. Here's what I learned about you in the last 5 minutes:
You've posted 250 times since January 16, 2025.
Scrolling through them, roughly 235 are about David Roche.
So you've posted about 6x per week this entire year bashing on Roche. Amazing. I realize that typing out quick snarky responses doesn't take you much time, but the fact that you have done it nearly every day for this entire year is pretty much the definition of "lives rent free in your head."
Let it go, dude. There are bigger and better things in life.
Look, you're the king of snark and I'm sure you'll respond with some snarky response because you can let things go, but you need help.
Sorry, he “can let things go” or “he can’t let things go”? Maybe he can’t not let things not go?
Runforthehillz isn't the only one. There are quite of few of us in the ultra trail community that see right through David's stream of BS spouting.
The Roche's actions and statements should be called-out and there is valid criticism for many cases.
That's why threads like this exist and continue to get updated.
lol, deeply ironic comment. I didn't realize until now that LRC has a decent-ish forum search function. Here's what I learned about you in the last 5 minutes:
You've posted 250 times since January 16, 2025.
Scrolling through them, roughly 235 are about David Roche.
So you've posted about 6x per week this entire year bashing on Roche. Amazing. I realize that typing out quick snarky responses doesn't take you much time, but the fact that you have done it nearly every day for this entire year is pretty much the definition of "lives rent free in your head."
Let it go, dude. There are bigger and better things in life.
Look, you're the king of snark and I'm sure you'll respond with some snarky response because you can let things go, but you need help.
Yeah, what a wierdo that guy is. Wasting so much time on legitimately criticizing a run influencer. not like criticizing a random troll for criticizing a run influencer.
Lol exactly. Why spend so much energy defending a cringy YouTuber, as if he is going to change any of our minds about him… but I guess when you are a loyal patreon dork you will fight for your hero’s honor. Huzzah!
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