This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Are you merely on the spectrum or deliberately dense? I'm serious?
No-vax was no better than 2nd (French) and 4th round (US Open) in 2019. He was no better than 4th round (Australian) and quarterfinal (French) in 2018. Pre-Covid. Yet he made the 2024 semifinal at the Australian at almost 37 years old. How does he go from 4th round in 2018 to semifinal in 2024? Because he choked because he wasn't vaccinated? Lol. This is why nobody listens to you except like two people. Which chaps your fanny.
Rodgers isn't really immunized, damn it!
Again, if I wanted to converse with a Wikipedia table I'd feed it into chatGPT. Watch the matches. See the player. It's obvious.
Your ability to make antivaxxers blindly argue about anything is a real talent.
I realize you just simply want the debate even as you think you already have the answer and that's the end of it. It think the vaccines did not provoke nearly as broad and all-encompassing immunity as natural immunity. I think they actually didn't work very well in terms of preventing spread, even though we were told they did, only then for our highest authorities to have to backpedal. I think, count it, three injections prevented more severe outcomes than otherwise happened in the - most susceptible- groups. So, no, I don't think they are necessarily bad or killed 17 million people, but, then again, I've never argued that.
I think they were unnecessary for most groups and caused adverse reactions in millions of people who didn't need them, including death. Nothing you will ever say or post will convince me or anyone else otherwise. It just won't. I'm very happy with my decision, like No-vax.
Rodgers is young, damn it!
1) They did work to prevent spread until the strain evolved. After Delta, but especially Omicron, emerged, nothing prevented mild symptomatic disease very well. Not the vaccines nor 'natural immunity.'
2) Nobody 'backpedaled.' The vaccines were highly effective at preventing spread pre Omicron. This is pretty basic stuff.
3) Not sure why it's a big deal that it took three doses to get max efficacy – many vaccines require ~3 doses to properly train the immune system.
4) The data clearly show that the vaccine prevented deaths, severe disease, mild disease, missed work, and medium-to-long term effects at a rate far, far, far higher than comparably serious side effects from the vaccine.
Were there serious issues, and even a few deaths? (Anaphylaxis) Yes. Just like any effective drug they are not perfectly safe. The calculus of risk:benefit for all groups was highly in favor the vaccine.
Remember, the vaccine doesn't have to prevent death for it to be worth it. A college running turning 6 weeks of respiratory issues into a mild 1 week cold thanks to the vaccine is a huge quality of life improvement.
In all, it sounds like you agree the vaccine worked, saved lives, and kept millions of out the hospital. You're upset because people were convinced to take it even though they were at low risk of dying from COVID. The analysis requires a tiny bit of extra nuance (namely: dying of COVID is not the only bad thing) that you are unwilling to wrap your head around. (Need I mention a certain study from Sweden?) Fair enough. Carry on, sir!
Again, if I wanted to converse with Wikipedia talking points, I'd feed it into chatGPT. You must be a paid 'fact checker.' Like a 25-year old Harvard grad who is 'grading' corporate boards on their DEI accountability.
People most certainly walked around, brazenly, smugly, and arrogantly and spread Covid before and during 'strain evolution' because they were told they were safe and impervious to further infection. So, yeah, this mishap was responsible for a lot of sickness and death. By the way, I wonder if three vaccines could've provoked strain evolution. Nah, couldn't be.
Anaphylaxis isn't the only bad outcome of a mRNA in an untargeted fat globule that made its way randomly around the body. You act like VAERS is perfect, like it captured every single adverse reaction, some of which came many weeks or months after inoculation. You act like all the data you have is infallible, not poisoned buy the politics, arrogance, and money of science. It's not. VAERS is a very incomplete picture. Nuance, I know.
What sucks for you guys is Covid wasn't all that deadly and didn't make otherwise healthy people very sick. The vaccine, while helpful for some broad, vulnerable groups, just wasn't all that great and without millions of adverse events.
It’s a tennis thread because it highlights you two. And because harambe keeps bringing him up. Clear facts can be ignored if they don’t fit his narrative. Hes clearly in the middle of an unprecedented run in the history of tennis. Anyone who isn’t intentionally obtuse has to acknowledge that. It’s such an easy thing to say that yes, his last four years of tennis have been absolutely incredible. Instead it’s tripping over yourself trying to convince people that winning over 50% of the major titles in the last four years is prove one is in decline, and specifically in decline because he didn’t take a vaccine. You guys are absolute lunatics. You wonder why people doubt your nuanced crap when you can’t just admit the obvious crap.
1) They did work to prevent spread until the strain evolved. After Delta, but especially Omicron, emerged, nothing prevented mild symptomatic disease very well. Not the vaccines nor 'natural immunity.'
2) Nobody 'backpedaled.' The vaccines were highly effective at preventing spread pre Omicron. This is pretty basic stuff.
3) Not sure why it's a big deal that it took three doses to get max efficacy – many vaccines require ~3 doses to properly train the immune system.
4) The data clearly show that the vaccine prevented deaths, severe disease, mild disease, missed work, and medium-to-long term effects at a rate far, far, far higher than comparably serious side effects from the vaccine.
Were there serious issues, and even a few deaths? (Anaphylaxis) Yes. Just like any effective drug they are not perfectly safe. The calculus of risk:benefit for all groups was highly in favor the vaccine.
Remember, the vaccine doesn't have to prevent death for it to be worth it. A college running turning 6 weeks of respiratory issues into a mild 1 week cold thanks to the vaccine is a huge quality of life improvement.
In all, it sounds like you agree the vaccine worked, saved lives, and kept millions of out the hospital. You're upset because people were convinced to take it even though they were at low risk of dying from COVID. The analysis requires a tiny bit of extra nuance (namely: dying of COVID is not the only bad thing) that you are unwilling to wrap your head around. (Need I mention a certain study from Sweden?) Fair enough. Carry on, sir!
Again, if I wanted to converse with Wikipedia talking points, I'd feed it into chatGPT. You must be a paid 'fact checker.' Like a 25-year old Harvard grad who is 'grading' corporate boards on their DEI accountability.
People most certainly walked around, brazenly, smugly, and arrogantly and spread Covid before and during 'strain evolution' because they were told they were safe and impervious to further infection. So, yeah, this mishap was responsible for a lot of sickness and death. By the way, I wonder if three vaccines could've provoked strain evolution. Nah, couldn't be.
Anaphylaxis isn't the only bad outcome of a mRNA in an untargeted fat globule that made its way randomly around the body. You act like VAERS is perfect, like it captured every single adverse reaction, some of which came many weeks or months after inoculation. You act like all the data you have is infallible, not poisoned buy the politics, arrogance, and money of science. It's not. VAERS is a very incomplete picture. Nuance, I know.
What sucks for you guys is Covid wasn't all that deadly and didn't make otherwise healthy people very sick. The vaccine, while helpful for some broad, vulnerable groups, just wasn't all that great and without millions of adverse events.
Again, if I wanted to converse with Wikipedia talking points, I'd feed it into chatGPT. You must be a paid 'fact checker.' Like a 25-year old Harvard grad who is 'grading' corporate boards on their DEI accountability.
People most certainly walked around, brazenly, smugly, and arrogantly and spread Covid before and during 'strain evolution' because they were told they were safe and impervious to further infection. So, yeah, this mishap was responsible for a lot of sickness and death. By the way, I wonder if three vaccines could've provoked strain evolution. Nah, couldn't be.
Anaphylaxis isn't the only bad outcome of a mRNA in an untargeted fat globule that made its way randomly around the body. You act like VAERS is perfect, like it captured every single adverse reaction, some of which came many weeks or months after inoculation. You act like all the data you have is infallible, not poisoned buy the politics, arrogance, and money of science. It's not. VAERS is a very incomplete picture. Nuance, I know.
What sucks for you guys is Covid wasn't all that deadly and didn't make otherwise healthy people very sick. The vaccine, while helpful for some broad, vulnerable groups, just wasn't all that great and without millions of adverse events.
1) Yes, Soros, Fauci, Bancel, and Bourla send me checks monthly. It's a good gig. Harvard diploma not included
2) Well OK I can't comment on "brazenly, smugly, AND arrogantly" spreading COVID but the fact is that vaxxed people were less likely to spread than unvaxxed. Unless you are claiming the unvaxxed took more pro-social precautions? Unlikely given their low rationality and contarian attitudes.
3) VAERS is certainly incomplete. There's dude who died in a motorcycle accident in there as a 'COVID side effect.' Good thing we have controlled studies and observational or cohort studies that show the vaccine is very safe. Funny, that the antivaxxers never managed to run one to show it was dangerous? Maybe they are too incompetent and/or poor.
4) COVID killed healthy people. COVID injured healthy people. COVID made healthy people really sick for weeks. The vaccine prevent this in 95+% of cases. That's what the data show. Antivaxxers killed hundreds of thousands of Americans by spreading propaganda. I don't judge, but I suspect the higher powers do. Anyone got a fireproof suit?
It’s a tennis thread because it highlights you two. And because harambe keeps bringing him up. Clear facts can be ignored if they don’t fit his narrative. Hes clearly in the middle of an unprecedented run in the history of tennis. Anyone who isn’t intentionally obtuse has to acknowledge that. It’s such an easy thing to say that yes, his last four years of tennis have been absolutely incredible. Instead it’s tripping over yourself trying to convince people that winning over 50% of the major titles in the last four years is prove one is in decline, and specifically in decline because he didn’t take a vaccine. You guys are absolute lunatics. You wonder why people doubt your nuanced crap when you can’t just admit the obvious crap.
You clearly haven't watched 1 minute of tennis in the last decade. That's ok but it's a little weird you're arguing so stridently about something you don't really care about.
Chokervic is clearly performing worse than he was pre-COVID. Watch the games! Learn some tennis! I hear the Netflix doc is good!
It's a New Year and it's time to consolidate some of the covid threads. We've deleted hundreds of them but it just makes more sense to be official about consolidation. So this thread is for anything related to the Covid vacci...
Pierre Kory, the dude who was stripped of his board certifications and now charges ~$1500 for a 'vaccine injury' e-consult. No conflicts of interest here! Just an independent thinker!
Again, if I wanted to converse with Wikipedia talking points, I'd feed it into chatGPT. You must be a paid 'fact checker.' Like a 25-year old Harvard grad who is 'grading' corporate boards on their DEI accountability.
People most certainly walked around, brazenly, smugly, and arrogantly and spread Covid before and during 'strain evolution' because they were told they were safe and impervious to further infection. So, yeah, this mishap was responsible for a lot of sickness and death. By the way, I wonder if three vaccines could've provoked strain evolution. Nah, couldn't be.
Anaphylaxis isn't the only bad outcome of a mRNA in an untargeted fat globule that made its way randomly around the body. You act like VAERS is perfect, like it captured every single adverse reaction, some of which came many weeks or months after inoculation. You act like all the data you have is infallible, not poisoned buy the politics, arrogance, and money of science. It's not. VAERS is a very incomplete picture. Nuance, I know.
What sucks for you guys is Covid wasn't all that deadly and didn't make otherwise healthy people very sick. The vaccine, while helpful for some broad, vulnerable groups, just wasn't all that great and without millions of adverse events.
1) Yes, Soros, Fauci, Bancel, and Bourla send me checks monthly. It's a good gig. Harvard diploma not included
2) Well OK I can't comment on "brazenly, smugly, AND arrogantly" spreading COVID but the fact is that vaxxed people were less likely to spread than unvaxxed. Unless you are claiming the unvaxxed took more pro-social precautions? Unlikely given their low rationality and contarian attitudes.
3) VAERS is certainly incomplete. There's dude who died in a motorcycle accident in there as a 'COVID side effect.' Good thing we have controlled studies and observational or cohort studies that show the vaccine is very safe. Funny, that the antivaxxers never managed to run one to show it was dangerous? Maybe they are too incompetent and/or poor.
4) COVID killed healthy people. COVID injured healthy people. COVID made healthy people really sick for weeks. The vaccine prevent this in 95+% of cases. That's what the data show. Antivaxxers killed hundreds of thousands of Americans by spreading propaganda. I don't judge, but I suspect the higher powers do. Anyone got a fireproof suit?
“Ahhhhhhhhh!!! It doesn’t confirm my bias!! Ahhhhh!!!!!”
This is why you’re a joke. The easy answer is “Novak has clearly proven himself to be, possibly, an unrivaled champion. That being said, I disagree with his stance on Covid vaccines” But you just can’t do it. You’ve jumped the shark bud. Let it go. Thats why no one takes you seriously. You’re an ideologue. The way you can’t just admit that he is objectively a great CURRENT tennis champion is the same way that you can’t admit even the slightest of potential risks of a Covid vaccine or why someone who literally has a negligible ABSOLUTE risk with Covid would choose not to take the vaccine. Bro trust me, a 37 year old slowing down is because he didn’t get vaccinated. You’re an absolute clown. Now say 300k. 🤣🤣🤣
Pierre Kory, the dude who was stripped of his board certifications and now charges ~$1500 for a 'vaccine injury' e-consult. No conflicts of interest here! Just an independent thinker!
NOW you’re worried about conflicts of interest? 😂
UII truly are the gift that keeps on giving. Please post more!
This is why you’re a joke. The easy answer is “Novak has clearly proven himself to be, possibly, an unrivaled champion. That being said, I disagree with his stance on Covid vaccines”
Why?
He had Covid and so had natural immunity and it made zero sense to take the jab
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