This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
It is the Doctors! They fill out the death certificate. Do you have evidence that CDC was inflating COVID deaths?
Do you have any explanation for why excess deaths are 90%+ correlated with COVID deaths and COVID infections? What fraction of COVID deaths are fake?
You are STILL just injecting uncertainty without making any falsifiable claims of your own. Show me some evidence, stay something meaningful! Give me estimates of the numbers.
Again, it all comes back to the CDC. Yes, the doctors fill out the death certificate, but as the article showed with actual death certificates from Minnesota, the CDC was not entering the information in correctly.
1. Fabricated numbers in a study. They created a follow-up study and changed the definition of the key categories ("trimesters") to prevent comparison. I'd be happy to show exactly where they changed the definitions.
2. Does not allow access to two of the three main databases they use (VSD & V-Safe) although they were order by a court to start producing V-Safe data starting Feb. 15, 2024. They tried to argue with the court that they could not produce the data for 50 years! I'd be happy to show that as well.
3. The CDC published and continue to publish incident rate estimates on anaphylaxis from covid vaccine drugs that is 50-100 times lower than the finding in research: CDC: ; Actual research:
4. They discussed and drafted an alert for myocarditis in the first half of 2021 only to not warn the public as they were rolling out the vaccine drugs to kids. Screenshots posted earlier.
5. They hid information related to potential birth defects from adverse reactions in pregnant women. I'd be happy to go into this in more detail.
6. They avoided telling persons taking the mRNA vaccine drugs that it was (and still is) a different and contaminated version from the one tested in clinical trails. Perhaps that is why even their own bias V-Safe system found a much higher percent of various severe symptoms after 1 day as compared to 7 days for the mRNA Pfizer drug in the clinical trials. For example:
Given that they are not honoring data on the death certificates and are corrupt in so many ways, I think a person would have to be gullible to trust them on how they choose to record a "covid death." Issues with the CDC are not just limited to COVID in my experience. I am still hopeful that a new Director can clean house and reform the organization ... one day. But I wish anyone much needed luck if they want to trust this government agency for their health decisions.
Ok if you really don’t believe the US COVID data because of the CDC…. Basically every other developed country shows an equivalent trend of COVID cases leading to registered deaths and excess deaths. I.e. COVID was the by far the primary driver of excess deaths. There is also US data the CDC doesn’t publish, like state level data that corroborates it too. Who knew the CDC has such national and international reach.
I find it amusing how vaccine skeptics nearly always feel the command of conspiracy and are basically forced to become COVID deniers too. It really hurts their position as they have to start supporting more and more deranged positions.
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Again, it all comes back to the CDC. Yes, the doctors fill out the death certificate, but as the article showed with actual death certificates from Minnesota, the CDC was not entering the information in correctly.
1. Fabricated numbers in a study. They created a follow-up study and changed the definition of the key categories ("trimesters") to prevent comparison. I'd be happy to show exactly where they changed the definitions.
2. Does not allow access to two of the three main databases they use (VSD & V-Safe) although they were order by a court to start producing V-Safe data starting Feb. 15, 2024. They tried to argue with the court that they could not produce the data for 50 years! I'd be happy to show that as well.
3. The CDC published and continue to publish incident rate estimates on anaphylaxis from covid vaccine drugs that is 50-100 times lower than the finding in research: CDC: ; Actual research:
4. They discussed and drafted an alert for myocarditis in the first half of 2021 only to not warn the public as they were rolling out the vaccine drugs to kids. Screenshots posted earlier.
5. They hid information related to potential birth defects from adverse reactions in pregnant women. I'd be happy to go into this in more detail.
6. They avoided telling persons taking the mRNA vaccine drugs that it was (and still is) a different and contaminated version from the one tested in clinical trails. Perhaps that is why even their own bias V-Safe system found a much higher percent of various severe symptoms after 1 day as compared to 7 days for the mRNA Pfizer drug in the clinical trials. For example:
Given that they are not honoring data on the death certificates and are corrupt in so many ways, I think a person would have to be gullible to trust them on how they choose to record a "covid death." Issues with the CDC are not just limited to COVID in my experience. I am still hopeful that a new Director can clean house and reform the organization ... one day. But I wish anyone much needed luck if they want to trust this government agency for their health decisions.
Ok if you really don’t believe the US COVID data because of the CDC…. Basically every other developed country shows an equivalent trend of COVID cases leading to registered deaths and excess deaths. I.e. COVID was the by far the primary driver of excess deaths. There is also US data the CDC doesn’t publish, like state level data that corroborates it too. Who knew the CDC has such national and international reach.
I find it amusing how vaccine skeptics nearly always feel the command of conspiracy and are basically forced to become COVID deniers too. It really hurts their position as they have to start supporting more and more deranged positions.
There is a difference between "COVID deniers" and not relying on corrupted and/or hidden data, especially after the CDC has proven so corrupted. As I said, using All Cause death removes the bias and corruption.
Speaking of corruption, there are countless videos of doctors and scientists speaking about CDC/FDA corruption. Rather than actually clean house, they simply continue with their corruption and attempts to hide data. If they want to re-earn trust, simply going on news shows and promoting drugs is not the way to do it. Here are a few selections representing the loss of trust. This is the type of information seen by Americans and others that is not addressed by the CDC.
Traditional Vaccines Now in Question: Dr. Harvey Risch Loses All Trust in the CDC and the FDA
“To be honest, my trust level in those institutions is ZERO. They have shown their complete corruption with regards to industry sponsors, and it’s despicable." pic.twitter.com/XVYoEWDnnd
But Big Pharma and the CDC want to inject your kid with an endless schedule of experimental mRNA shots. Obscene corruption & greed. pic.twitter.com/M1ZpmFcS3f
"This Is Scientific Fraud" | Dr. Malone and Dr. McCullough Condemn the CDC
"There are going to be legal consequences, and I believe they have a choice. These government employees have been participating in hiding this data. They can either be defendants or they can be witnesses" pic.twitter.com/r4vPvE30qS
And yet the CDC were notified by DARPA that "ivermectin" would be the best response to a new Corona Virus outbreak! In Fact it's hard to believe that any Health Authority weren't aware of this! #corruptionpic.twitter.com/YfvvdM02eu
The pandemic triggered a massive wealth transfer between big pharma and federal agencies…all at the expense of the American people. Massive conflicts of interest and real corruption in CDC, NIH and FDA! pic.twitter.com/8htctaIPSF
La #censure a soumis au CDC et à la Fondation Gates une nouvelle technologie de propagandage: la #corruption par injections intramusculaires. Corruption: du latin corruptio altération. Cette technologie sera développée au Corruption Institute for Coincidence (Kaufman) pic.twitter.com/6N4UJlbP2E
CDC Director Walensky cannot answer a simple question. How many CDC employees are jabbed? The fact that she can't answer any of these questions should be a giant red flag for everyone. 🚩 The fraud is becoming more obvious by the day. Look at her sweat nervously. Share this. pic.twitter.com/lrF1TYpeJV
Again, it all comes back to the CDC. Yes, the doctors fill out the death certificate, but as the article showed with actual death certificates from Minnesota, the CDC was not entering the information in correctly.
1. Fabricated numbers in a study. They created a follow-up study and changed the definition of the key categories ("trimesters") to prevent comparison. I'd be happy to show exactly where they changed the definitions.
2. Does not allow access to two of the three main databases they use (VSD & V-Safe) although they were order by a court to start producing V-Safe data starting Feb. 15, 2024. They tried to argue with the court that they could not produce the data for 50 years! I'd be happy to show that as well.
3. The CDC published and continue to publish incident rate estimates on anaphylaxis from covid vaccine drugs that is 50-100 times lower than the finding in research: CDC: ; Actual research:
4. They discussed and drafted an alert for myocarditis in the first half of 2021 only to not warn the public as they were rolling out the vaccine drugs to kids. Screenshots posted earlier.
5. They hid information related to potential birth defects from adverse reactions in pregnant women. I'd be happy to go into this in more detail.
6. They avoided telling persons taking the mRNA vaccine drugs that it was (and still is) a different and contaminated version from the one tested in clinical trails. Perhaps that is why even their own bias V-Safe system found a much higher percent of various severe symptoms after 1 day as compared to 7 days for the mRNA Pfizer drug in the clinical trials. For example:
Given that they are not honoring data on the death certificates and are corrupt in so many ways, I think a person would have to be gullible to trust them on how they choose to record a "covid death." Issues with the CDC are not just limited to COVID in my experience. I am still hopeful that a new Director can clean house and reform the organization ... one day. But I wish anyone much needed luck if they want to trust this government agency for their health decisions.
You can just say “no” next time.
You can just say, "I was wrong" and Twoggle has a better command of the data.
Just start linking to zerohedge or bitchute and get it over with. The suspense of your vaccine skeptic to flat earther speed run is killing me.
The bro ignored my point that non-CDC data corroborates the CDC data, inside and outside the US. Remember, their entire argument is that the CDC has faked death data and the vaccines are secretly killing lots of people and it’s being covered up. Merely casting doubt on the CDC does nothing to prove this. Unless Biden has secretly manipulated European mortality data too? Gasp.
Then they linked to a bunch of tweets about ivermectin.
If you believe one conspiracy theory… sure, let’s debate, sounds fun.
If you believe COVID is fake, IVM was secretly a cure, the vaccine is deadly, and the earth is flat… there’s no helping you. Contrarian doom.
Just start linking to zerohedge or bitchute and get it over with. The suspense of your vaccine skeptic to flat earther speed run is killing me.
The bro ignored my point that non-CDC data corroborates the CDC data, inside and outside the US. Remember, their entire argument is that the CDC has faked death data and the vaccines are secretly killing lots of people and it’s being covered up. Merely casting doubt on the CDC does nothing to prove this. Unless Biden has secretly manipulated European mortality data too? Gasp.
Then they linked to a bunch of tweets about ivermectin.
If you believe one conspiracy theory… sure, let’s debate, sounds fun.
If you believe COVID is fake, IVM was secretly a cure, the vaccine is deadly, and the earth is flat… there’s no helping you. Contrarian doom.
Below is an enormously important video about 1) observational study problems; 2) hiding All Cause mortality and other key data from independent scientists; 3) trusting public relations based on poorly done research. This happens in the U.S. and outside the U.S. I would add that some countries have public-private partnerships with Pfizer (Finland, for example) so some might consider there is some indirect funding of research. At this point, I would be in favor of independent researchers auditing “covid death” death certificates in various countries and then looking at the affects of the covid vaccine drugs.
Vinay Prasad, MD MPH; Physician & Professor Hematologist/ OncologistProfessor of Epidemiology, Biostatistics and MedicineAuthor of 450+ Peer Reviewed papers,...
The bro ignored my point that non-CDC data corroborates the CDC data, inside and outside the US. Remember, their entire argument is that the CDC has faked death data and the vaccines are secretly killing lots of people and it’s being covered up. Merely casting doubt on the CDC does nothing to prove this. Unless Biden has secretly manipulated European mortality data too? Gasp.
Then they linked to a bunch of tweets about ivermectin.
If you believe one conspiracy theory… sure, let’s debate, sounds fun.
If you believe COVID is fake, IVM was secretly a cure, the vaccine is deadly, and the earth is flat… there’s no helping you. Contrarian doom.
Below is an enormously important video about 1) observational study problems; 2) hiding All Cause mortality and other key data from independent scientists; 3) trusting public relations based on poorly done research. This happens in the U.S. and outside the U.S. I would add that some countries have public-private partnerships with Pfizer (Finland, for example) so some might consider there is some indirect funding of research. At this point, I would be in favor of independent researchers auditing “covid death” death certificates in various countries and then looking at the affects of the covid vaccine drugs.
The bro ignored my point that non-CDC data corroborates the CDC data, inside and outside the US. Remember, their entire argument is that the CDC has faked death data and the vaccines are secretly killing lots of people and it’s being covered up. Merely casting doubt on the CDC does nothing to prove this. Unless Biden has secretly manipulated European mortality data too? Gasp.
Then they linked to a bunch of tweets about ivermectin.
If you believe one conspiracy theory… sure, let’s debate, sounds fun.
If you believe COVID is fake, IVM was secretly a cure, the vaccine is deadly, and the earth is flat… there’s no helping you. Contrarian doom.
Below is an enormously important video about 1) observational study problems; 2) hiding All Cause mortality and other key data from independent scientists; 3) trusting public relations based on poorly done research. This happens in the U.S. and outside the U.S. I would add that some countries have public-private partnerships with Pfizer (Finland, for example) so some might consider there is some indirect funding of research. At this point, I would be in favor of independent researchers auditing “covid death” death certificates in various countries and then looking at the affects of the covid vaccine drugs.
All you can do is cast doubt. You have no evidence the dramatically strong correlation between COVID cases, deaths, and excess deaths is fraudulent in 10+ developed countries with tons of reported data. Pointing out that no studies are perfect, not all data is available, and some research is shoddy is just 3 truisms.
You also have no evidence that there IS any positive correlation between vaccines and deaths and excess deaths.
You are two huge, insurmountable steps away from proving your argument and all you can do is attempt to discredit my own extremely positive evidence. That’s the surest sign you in an huge evidence deficit.
