This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Twoggle is owning this thread at this point. 2600bro is doing his best to twist that data to fit his bias, but Twoggle has thwarted his efforts at every turn. Time to send out the bat signal, 2600bro. This one is obviously over your pay grade. Lol
Does a snarky validating comment from an unregistered poster enhance or detract from his argument?
Neither. You are always assuming all the data you have is complete and credible. Like every single would-be VAERS case is making its way to the system. But it’s not. That is a fact. We all know vaccine injuries that are not being recognized as such.
What sucks is you guys frame this as an all or nothing argument. A vaccine skeptic is responsible for a million deaths. Give me a MFing break. The vast, vast, vast majority of those unvaccinated deaths were in very old, overweight, and sickly people who absolutely should’ve been vaccinated. There’s no argument there. I mean, some people are arguing that I guess but not me.
But, once the rest of us in low risk groups attained immunity the old fashioned way, the masking (which never worked w just cloth masks), distancing, and vaccinating was all so unnecessary. Quarantine while you’re sick, of course, but, otherwise, you’re good to go and a part of the solution.
And you guys downplay that. You’ll never accept that attaining natural immunity the old fashioned way was both legitimate and feasible. It was always the ‘riskier’ path to you, even if really not risky at all. You can’t stand that a control group exists that showed 90% of this charade was so unnecessary. You can’t stand that you still have to worry than a lipid nanoparticle that could deliver the spike payload anywhere in the body, a payload which multiple studies have shown wasn’t broken down and eliminated as quickly as the virus itself, could generate long term problems.
It’s a coronavirus. There are several of them in existence. They mutate rapidly, so rapidly in fact that it renders a vaccination fairly useless. It also can exert selective pressure on the virus to mutate. There’s no proof that that hasn’t happened.
So, once again, which is what I lead with, nobody is convincing anybody. It’s just a waste of time at this point.
The first thing I thought of when cases of myocarditis started coming in during 2021 was the incidence of pre clinical myocarditis is likely to be many times higher than myocarditis. It took independent researchers to start to look into that sort situation. No one knows what the long-term effect of the damage from these conditions would be (after 10-50 years).
Also, the LNP, spike, contamination in the mRNA drugs, etc. is distributed throughout the body, so it's anyone's guess what the long-term effects are outside the heart area.
Sorry, posts like this just make it hard to take you seriously.
We actually know quite well the outcomes of systemic inflammatory conditions - they are usually viral infection - and when is not acute damage it's extremely rare to have "long term damage"
Again, most of your skepticism is about long term, untested hypotheticals. Coming up with plausible mechanisms is the easiest thing to do it biology. Unless you have evidence for it all you do it scare uninformed people. Which I suppose is your goal... but it's pretty easy to see through.
Does a snarky validating comment from an unregistered poster enhance or detract from his argument?
What sucks is you guys frame this as an all or nothing argument. A vaccine skeptic is responsible for a million deaths. Give me a MFing break. The vast, vast, vast majority of those unvaccinated deaths were in very old, overweight, and sickly people who absolutely should’ve been vaccinated. There’s no argument there. I mean, some people are arguing that I guess but not me.
Actually I see your ilk as the ones to be more all-or-nothing.
The vaccine isn't 100% effective - therefore it's useless
There are uncertainties about the efficacy or side effects from the vaccine - there for no data can be trust at all - I can entirely dismiss any study that doesn't include my pet theory / cohort / etc
I see these kinds of thinking a lot - it's a convenient way to avoid doing hard, actual thinking.
I recommend looking at the sum of the evidence and making a weighted decision based on the believably and quality of the evidence.
Daily Mail tennis correspondent Mike Dickson collapses and dies at Australian Open
I bet he was smugly there in australia (all jabbed up) reporting while Novak Djokovic was getting deported from australia for refusing a bioweapon injection during the height of the coNvid hysteria. Now look who's laughing.
What sucks is you guys frame this as an all or nothing argument. A vaccine skeptic is responsible for a million deaths. Give me a MFing break. The vast, vast, vast majority of those unvaccinated deaths were in very old, overweight, and sickly people who absolutely should’ve been vaccinated. There’s no argument there. I mean, some people are arguing that I guess but not me.
Actually I see your ilk as the ones to be more all-or-nothing.
The vaccine isn't 100% effective - therefore it's useless
Not what I said at all, bro, and because this is your foundation, this makes everything else you write disingenuous.
Natural immunity in lower risk groups was a strategy, a good strategy in fact, and one that shouldn’t have been so universally condemned. You are among the condemning.
Actually I see your ilk as the ones to be more all-or-nothing.
The vaccine isn't 100% effective - therefore it's useless
Not what I said at all, bro, and because this is your foundation, this makes everything else you write disingenuous.
Natural immunity in lower risk groups was a strategy, a good strategy in fact, and one that shouldn’t have been so universally condemned. You are among the condemning.
Wasn't saying you specifically - just the style of arguments from "you guys" just like you painted broad strokes over the style of arguments from "my guys"
No nation was successful in just infecting low risk groups. SARS-CoV-2 is extremely infectious and we live in a high-contact, non-age-stratified society. We couldn't even keep nursing homes virus free.
"Just protect the vulnerable" is impossible with a High-R0, airborne, respiratory virus... sorry.
According to data from the Instituto Ricardo Jorge, published this Thursday in Expresso, between December 18 and January 14 there was a 28% excess mortality. According to EuroMomo (the European site that monitors mortality) Portugal was the country in the European Union that registered the highest levels of mortality during the last week of December and the first two weeks of January.
Portugal is the country with the highest percentage of the population fully vaccinated anywhere in the world, according to Oxford University's Our World in Data. Of those eligible for vaccination — everyone in Portugal above the age of 12 — the percentage of people fully vaccinated is approaching 100 per cent.
Like Australia, Portugal put a military man at the head of its vaccination program but, to date, it has had greater success in inoculating its population against COVID-19.
The first thing I thought of when cases of myocarditis started coming in during 2021 was the incidence of pre clinical myocarditis is likely to be many times higher than myocarditis. It took independent researchers to start to look into that sort situation. No one knows what the long-term effect of the damage from these conditions would be (after 10-50 years).
Also, the LNP, spike, contamination in the mRNA drugs, etc. is distributed throughout the body, so it's anyone's guess what the long-term effects are outside the heart area.
Sorry, posts like this just make it hard to take you seriously.
We actually know quite well the outcomes of systemic inflammatory conditions - they are usually viral infection - and when is not acute damage it's extremely rare to have "long term damage"
Again, most of your skepticism is about long term, untested hypotheticals. Coming up with plausible mechanisms is the easiest thing to do it biology. Unless you have evidence for it all you do it scare uninformed people. Which I suppose is your goal... but it's pretty easy to see through.
“We’re never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it, and that's just the way it goes.” [FDA Advisory Meeting on giving these mRNA drugs to young children]
The long-term prognosis for acute myocarditis is not good. There is research in this area. What are the long-term implications of pre clinical myocarditis (even without acute stmptoms)? No one knows.
Right now there are huge numbers of reported adverse effects (many debilitating) at what the CDC even admitted are low reporting rates. There’s even a substance in the contaminated shots that adversely affects a tumor suppressing gene.
All of this should have been resolved long before trying to coerce injections of these drugs. Some may want to be a pharma guinea pig. I prefer not to be, but to each his own.
Sorry, posts like this just make it hard to take you seriously.
We actually know quite well the outcomes of systemic inflammatory conditions - they are usually viral infection - and when is not acute damage it's extremely rare to have "long term damage"
Again, most of your skepticism is about long term, untested hypotheticals. Coming up with plausible mechanisms is the easiest thing to do it biology. Unless you have evidence for it all you do it scare uninformed people. Which I suppose is your goal... but it's pretty easy to see through.
“We’re never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it, and that's just the way it goes.” [FDA Advisory Meeting on giving these mRNA drugs to young children]
The long-term prognosis for acute myocarditis is not good. There is research in this area. What are the long-term implications of pre clinical myocarditis (even without acute stmptoms)? No one knows.
Right now there are huge numbers of reported adverse effects (many debilitating) at what the CDC even admitted are low reporting rates. There’s even a substance in the contaminated shots that adversely affects a tumor suppressing gene.
All of this should have been resolved long before trying to coerce injections of these drugs. Some may want to be a pharma guinea pig. I prefer not to be, but to each his own.
Given the rate of sub-clinical myocarditis (may be as high as 5% of all acute viral infection) it seems pretty clear that the majority of sub-clinical do not have lasting long term effects.
Again, it's all hypotheticals from you. Pretty boring.
Actually, the major weakness is that they weren’t comparing an entire vaccinated group to an entire unvaccinated group. That is why even the authors warned against a comparison.
You might like the comparison despite the warning of the authors, but I’m just happy to be one of countless sharing honest scientific information so that adults can make their own decision on their long-tern health.
Again, the authors warning did not say "don't interpret these results" it said use care... maybe for effect sizes that were quite close!
That's reasonable, every study has limitations. For MC the effects were so wildly different it's a stretch claim it’s solely a subgroup/compositional/matching artifact. You have all the cohort data - you seem to be implying the data is 0% valid, what's your evidence for that. I am saying it is ~85% valid.
You’re way over your head here, bro. Better phone a friend, if you know what I mean. 😪
Again, the authors warning did not say "don't interpret these results" it said use care... maybe for effect sizes that were quite close!
That's reasonable, every study has limitations. For MC the effects were so wildly different it's a stretch claim it’s solely a subgroup/compositional/matching artifact. You have all the cohort data - you seem to be implying the data is 0% valid, what's your evidence for that. I am saying it is ~85% valid.
You’re way over your head here, bro. Better phone a friend, if you know what I mean. 😪
“We’re never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it, and that's just the way it goes.” [FDA Advisory Meeting on giving these mRNA drugs to young children]
The long-term prognosis for acute myocarditis is not good. There is research in this area. What are the long-term implications of pre clinical myocarditis (even without acute stmptoms)? No one knows.
Right now there are huge numbers of reported adverse effects (many debilitating) at what the CDC even admitted are low reporting rates. There’s even a substance in the contaminated shots that adversely affects a tumor suppressing gene.
All of this should have been resolved long before trying to coerce injections of these drugs. Some may want to be a pharma guinea pig. I prefer not to be, but to each his own.
Given the rate of sub-clinical myocarditis (may be as high as 5% of all acute viral infection) it seems pretty clear that the majority of sub-clinical do not have lasting long term effects.
Again, it's all hypotheticals from you. Pretty boring.
We don’t know the long-term implications of pre clinical myocarditis from mRNA drugs.
Other than the huge numbers of reported adverse effects (many very serious), I will agree that the long-term dangers of cancer and other debilitating conditions from mRNA drugs are still being tested on the general population. Results should be in within 10-30 years or so. I guess there’s a new pharma standard: little to no testing, no legal liability for toxic products, trying to hide clinical trial data for 75 years, history of healthcare fraud and creating a rapid response unit scouring millions of web pages to protect profits.
Sorry, posts like this just make it hard to take you seriously.
We actually know quite well the outcomes of systemic inflammatory conditions - they are usually viral infection - and when is not acute damage it's extremely rare to have "long term damage"
Again, most of your skepticism is about long term, untested hypotheticals. Coming up with plausible mechanisms is the easiest thing to do it biology. Unless you have evidence for it all you do it scare uninformed people. Which I suppose is your goal... but it's pretty easy to see through.
“We’re never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it, and that's just the way it goes.” [FDA Advisory Meeting on giving these mRNA drugs to young children]
The long-term prognosis for acute myocarditis is not good. There is research in this area. What are the long-term implications of pre clinical myocarditis (even without acute stmptoms)? No one knows.
Right now there are huge numbers of reported adverse effects (many debilitating) at what the CDC even admitted are low reporting rates. There’s even a substance in the contaminated shots that adversely affects a tumor suppressing gene.
All of this should have been resolved long before trying to coerce injections of these drugs. Some may want to be a pharma guinea pig. I prefer not to be, but to each his own.
I seem to recall the CDC or FDA and the MSM downplaying the seriousness of myocarditis
Given the rate of sub-clinical myocarditis (may be as high as 5% of all acute viral infection) it seems pretty clear that the majority of sub-clinical do not have lasting long term effects.
Again, it's all hypotheticals from you. Pretty boring.
We don’t know the long-term implications of pre clinical myocarditis from mRNA drugs.
Other than the huge numbers of reported adverse effects (many very serious), I will agree that the long-term dangers of cancer and other debilitating conditions from mRNA drugs are still being tested on the general population. Results should be in within 10-30 years or so. I guess there’s a new pharma standard: little to no testing, no legal liability for toxic products, trying to hide clinical trial data for 75 years, history of healthcare fraud and creating a rapid response unit scouring millions of web pages to protect profits.
You have an expectation that sub-clinical MC from COVID-19 vaccination will somehow be worse (much worse) than sub-clinical MC from viral infection... any evidence? Given the lack of cardiac event signal in younger populations over the last 3 years - I am very skeptical of your hand-wringing.
You have an expectation that there will be long-term damage that is completely invisible until it magically appears. That's a rare feature in medical outcomes. Especially since we are now 3 years out from mass dosing and still see no signals of "cancer or other debilitating conditions." Your insistence on "reports" without comparison to background rates in the population is useless.
The I make you talk the more quackish you seem.
"Little to no testing." Ha. Only the largest Ph3 vaccine trials ever!
We don’t know the long-term implications of pre clinical myocarditis from mRNA drugs.
Other than the huge numbers of reported adverse effects (many very serious), I will agree that the long-term dangers of cancer and other debilitating conditions from mRNA drugs are still being tested on the general population. Results should be in within 10-30 years or so. I guess there’s a new pharma standard: little to no testing, no legal liability for toxic products, trying to hide clinical trial data for 75 years, history of healthcare fraud and creating a rapid response unit scouring millions of web pages to protect profits.
You have an expectation that sub-clinical MC from COVID-19 vaccination will somehow be worse (much worse) than sub-clinical MC from viral infection... any evidence? Given the lack of cardiac event signal in younger populations over the last 3 years - I am very skeptical of your hand-wringing.
You have an expectation that there will be long-term damage that is completely invisible until it magically appears. That's a rare feature in medical outcomes. Especially since we are now 3 years out from mass dosing and still see no signals of "cancer or other debilitating conditions." Your insistence on "reports" without comparison to background rates in the population is useless.
The I make you talk the more quackish you seem.
"Little to no testing." Ha. Only the largest Ph3 vaccine trials ever!
There was a recent poll stating that approximately 53% of adults in the U.S. believe that a significant number of the unexplained deaths is attributable to the vaccine drugs. I'm not sure I agree with the results of that poll (for various reasons), but wouldn't be surprised if the figure is at least 40%. The are a lot of reasons that a rapidly increasing number of people know that the vaccine drugs (particular those of the mRNA variety) are dangerous.
1. They can see the huge numbers of reported serious adverse effects (including death) and people have been sharing graphs of the reports (in comparison to other vaccine drugs given in amounts of hundreds of millions) as well as reporting rate information from the CDC and other sources. The fact that the CDC uses their hidden data (VSD, for example) to avoid seeing an official "signal" just makes people trust the CDC less.
2. Quite a large number of people now know that what was tested for a short time in the clinical trials was not the same as the contaminated mRNA drugs that are injected into people. It is true that the CDC and FDA can try to run cover for the drug industry, but there are videos, podcasts and articles with real experts all over the Internet which describe in some detail some of the extreme long-term hazards. The general population is being used as guinea pigs (fortunately less and less so as these drugs are rejected with more frequency).
3. Pfizer, which has a history of healthcare fraud (look it up!), tried to argue in court to have clinical trial data hidden for 75 years! People are watching videos with whistleblowers which demonstrate major problems with these drugs.
4. It is more common knowledge that the CDC uses databases with hidden data (hidden from independent scientists and the public) and recently tried to hide their V-Safe database data for 50+ years (and lost in court). It is also becomming more clear that they fabricated data and avoided sending our crucial safety signals without any consequences to their jobs. The FDA, on the other hand apparently is okay with testing drugs on millions of children as to them it is the only way to find out if there's a problem. It is also common knowledge that the former FDA Director is on the Board of Directors of Pfizer.
5. People are becoming aware of the conflict of interest in many studies as they are discussed online. Not just direct conflicts of interest where the researcher is funded by the drug companies, but indirect conflicts of interest where the researcher(s)' organization has a financial arrangement with the drug manufacturer.
6. It is gradually becoming more well known that Moderna is working with other organizations to scan millions web pages and social media to respond to anything "problematic" with public relations.
I think many people rely far too much on drugs and one of the benefits of all of the fraud, lies and deception by certain drug companies and government agencies is that people will trust the "authorities" less as far as drugs go and trust common sense self-care much more. I am grateful for this transformation, brought on largely by pharma, govt agencies and the few who defend them in this case. That's the way I look at it.
By the way, I am okay with not knowing the exact long-term effects of vaccine drug-caused myocarditis or pre clinical myocarditis. Since the exact mechanism in the body may be different than other causes of myocarditis, I am open to the prognosis being better or worse. I'll wait for more research.
“We’re never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it, and that's just the way it goes.” [FDA Advisory Meeting on giving these mRNA drugs to young children]
The long-term prognosis for acute myocarditis is not good. There is research in this area. What are the long-term implications of pre clinical myocarditis (even without acute stmptoms)? No one knows.
Right now there are huge numbers of reported adverse effects (many debilitating) at what the CDC even admitted are low reporting rates. There’s even a substance in the contaminated shots that adversely affects a tumor suppressing gene.
All of this should have been resolved long before trying to coerce injections of these drugs. Some may want to be a pharma guinea pig. I prefer not to be, but to each his own.
I seem to recall the CDC or FDA and the MSM downplaying the seriousness of myocarditis
Yep.
Per the CDC: Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly,
also:
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. In both cases, the body’s immune system causes inflammation in response to an infection or some other trigger. Symptoms of myocarditis and pericarditis: Chest pain Shortness of breath Feelings of having a fast beating, fluttering, or pounding heart Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly.
I seem to recall the CDC or FDA and the MSM downplaying the seriousness of myocarditis
Yep.
Per the CDC: Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly,
also:
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. In both cases, the body’s immune system causes inflammation in response to an infection or some other trigger. Symptoms of myocarditis and pericarditis: Chest pain Shortness of breath Feelings of having a fast beating, fluttering, or pounding heart Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly.
Exactly! They (CDC) downplays all of the serious reported symptoms. As of June, 2021 (after ~6 months of covid shots) there were almost 1,300 myocarditis/pericarditis reports in their (CDC) database. There were only 9 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis after 2 full years of flu shots. According to a CDC slide presentation, the reporting rate for the symptom of "death" was only 1.13%. That would put the true incidence of post covid vaccine drug myocarditis/pericarditis as 1,300 / 0.0113 = > 129,000 cases in the U.S. I suspect that the reporting rate is higher, but it would still be many tens of thousands of cases. There are many other serious adverse effects (besides myocarditis and pericarditis) that are being reported and generally ignored by the CDC.
It is true that in some cases the acute symptoms can be controlled with drugs, but there may be scaring or other issues that haven't yet been studied. There are also more serious cases. A few below:
"Please reference separately submitted MIS-A form. He had sore throat, high fever, diarrhea, deteriorating in to multisystem failure and apparent acute myocarditis, notably with relative initial sparing of the lungs. He suffered cardiac arrest in radiology after developing aphasia and was transferred to Hospital after cannulation for VA ECMO; he died there 2/8/21."
"On 4-18-21, 17 days after 1st dose of Moderna, he developed upper abdomen pain, chest discomfort. He thought it was indigestion and treated it as such. When he got no relief he went to Emergency room where a cardiac alert was initiated. After he died I was told he had developed myocarditis,/pericarditis and they had to remove a liter of blood from the sac around his heart, but that his heart had gone into cardiogenic shock and that he died."
"Severe chest pain requiring a visit to the ER. Patient was admitted into the hospitaland evaluated by the Er Physician and moved to Cardiology. He was diagnosed with Myocarditis. He was released midday on Monday. On Monday night, we returned to the ER with even worse chest pains (self rated at 10/10). He was re-diagnosed with both Myocarditis and Pericarditis."
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Per the CDC: Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly,
also:
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. In both cases, the body’s immune system causes inflammation in response to an infection or some other trigger. Symptoms of myocarditis and pericarditis: Chest pain Shortness of breath Feelings of having a fast beating, fluttering, or pounding heart Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly.
Exactly! They (CDC) downplays all of the serious reported symptoms. As of June, 2021 (after ~6 months of covid shots) there were almost 1,300 myocarditis/pericarditis reports in their (CDC) database. There were only 9 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis after 2 full years of flu shots. According to a CDC slide presentation, the reporting rate for the symptom of "death" was only 1.13%. That would put the true incidence of post covid vaccine drug myocarditis/pericarditis as 1,300 / 0.0113 = > 129,000 cases in the U.S. I suspect that the reporting rate is higher, but it would still be many tens of thousands of cases. There are many other serious adverse effects (besides myocarditis and pericarditis) that are being reported and generally ignored by the CDC.
It is true that in some cases the acute symptoms can be controlled with drugs, but there may be scaring or other issues that haven't yet been studied. There are also more serious cases. A few below:
"Please reference separately submitted MIS-A form. He had sore throat, high fever, diarrhea, deteriorating in to multisystem failure and apparent acute myocarditis, notably with relative initial sparing of the lungs. He suffered cardiac arrest in radiology after developing aphasia and was transferred to Hospital after cannulation for VA ECMO; he died there 2/8/21."
"On 4-18-21, 17 days after 1st dose of Moderna, he developed upper abdomen pain, chest discomfort. He thought it was indigestion and treated it as such. When he got no relief he went to Emergency room where a cardiac alert was initiated. After he died I was told he had developed myocarditis,/pericarditis and they had to remove a liter of blood from the sac around his heart, but that his heart had gone into cardiogenic shock and that he died."
"Severe chest pain requiring a visit to the ER. Patient was admitted into the hospitaland evaluated by the Er Physician and moved to Cardiology. He was diagnosed with Myocarditis. He was released midday on Monday. On Monday night, we returned to the ER with even worse chest pains (self rated at 10/10). He was re-diagnosed with both Myocarditis and Pericarditis."
Ok so your data is VAERS or VAERS-like databases and surveys? I really don't care how many people have chest pains or die in 28 days after the vaccine. I care if it is different from baseline? This was the first vaccine with mandated reporting and the largest deployment of vaccine ever - of course there will be more reports! Surely you must have something else.
Do you have any evidence from controlled observational or attempts at inferring causality?
"There was a recent poll stating that approximately 53% of adults in the U.S. believe that a significant number of the unexplained deaths is attributable to the vaccine drugs." This is meaningless because there are no excess deaths in the USA right now and there is no rise is cardiac involved deaths (cue Monkeys Skyping). So these "unexplained deaths" are the same types of "unexplained" as they were in 2019, 2012, etc.
Then you’ll want to wait a number of years to see what develops. A few years is nothing when talking about long-term effects — especially since the short clinical trials didn’t even look at the contaminated shots that were/are given to the public.
That just about sums it all up.
Yes, vague fear mongering about “long term effects” which demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the time scales of pharmaceutical tox…. Is all the antivaxxers can muster at this point.
