SIGNIFICANT OVERCOUNT OF DEATHS
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DanM wrote:
SIGNIFICANT OVERCOUNT OF DEATHS
You're really grasping at straws here.
Let's just say that the total number of deaths in the entire country was reduced by the 15%, as in Massachusetts.
We're at about 1,000,000 deaths right now (990K, so I'll round up to make the math easier). That would be reduced to 850,000. What's your point?
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More data that strong mask policies work well. 8X reduction in secondary cases!
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The Janitor wrote:
DanM wrote:
SIGNIFICANT OVERCOUNT OF DEATHS
You're really grasping at straws here.
Let's just say that the total number of deaths in the entire country was reduced by the 15%, as in Massachusetts.
We're at about 1,000,000 deaths right now (990K, so I'll round up to make the math easier). That would be reduced to 850,000. What's your point?
DanM never even engages with excess death numbers. He has no clue what he’s doing.
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2600 bro wrote:
More data that strong mask policies work well. 8X reduction in secondary cases!
Wow, I guess ghoulishly masking kids was the right call?
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DanM wrote:
SIGNIFICANT OVERCOUNT OF DEATHS
Forgive me a moment of immodesty, but three months ago I pointed out that Massachusetts's reported covid deaths seemed exceptionally high relative to excess deaths in this thread:If sometime down the road it comes out that several states (e.g. Texas and Mississippi) have significantly under counted covid deaths, I'll take points for that as well.
For the U.S. as a whole covid deaths are almost certainly under counted, but not by a large margin.
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Monkeys Skyping wrote:
DanM wrote:
SIGNIFICANT OVERCOUNT OF DEATHS
Forgive me a moment of immodesty, but three months ago I pointed out that Massachusetts's reported covid deaths seemed exceptionally high relative to excess deaths in this thread:If sometime down the road it comes out that several states (e.g. Texas and Mississippi) have significantly under counted covid deaths, I'll take points for that as well.
For the U.S. as a whole covid deaths are almost certainly under counted, but not by a large margin.
I remember this! Wow, nice call.
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One of the early mysteries surrounding Ivermectin was what caused author Andrew Hill to reverse his position on a metadata study of Ivermectin mere days before the paper was published. In a transcript of a zoom call with Dr. Tess Laurie, Hill stumbled around the question and finally admitted that one of his sponsors (Unitaid) had a say in the paper's conclusions. (This is covered in detail in The Real Anthony Fauci by RFK Jr).
Now, it's been discovered that this person most likely was Prof. Andrew Owen.
Owen... is also scientific advisor to the WHO’s COVID-19 Guideline Development Group. Just days before Dr. Hill’s paper was to be published, a $40M grant from Unitaid, the paper’s sponsor, was given to CELT —of which Owen is the project lead. “The $40 million contract was actually a commercial agreement between Unitaid, the University of Liverpool and Tandem Nano Ltd (a start-up company that commercializes ‘Solid Lipid Nanoparticle’ delivery mechanisms)— for which Andrew Owen is a top shareholder,” says Harper.Here is a summary of Harper's article. A link to Harper's article can be found at the end of the following article.
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In Oregon alone, 700,000 doses of experimental mRNA goop that nobody wants.
What an outrageous effing scam. There are people who should go to jail for this.
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I’ve given a few random data drops of unvaxxed vs vaxxed data in a very large hospital system in MI here. Numbers have been dropping across the board, of course, but the Unvax vs Vax hospitalizations are now nearly even.
Here’s today’s data:
Hospitalized- 46 Unvax, 44 Vax
ICU- 6 Unvax, 3 Vax
Ventilator- 4 Unvax, 2 Vax
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fisky wrote:
One of the early mysteries surrounding Ivermectin was what caused author Andrew Hill to reverse his position on a metadata study of Ivermectin mere days before the paper was published. In a transcript of a zoom call with Dr. Tess Laurie, Hill stumbled around the question and finally admitted that one of his sponsors (Unitaid) had a say in the paper's conclusions. (This is covered in detail in The Real Anthony Fauci by RFK Jr).
Now, it's been discovered that this person most likely was Prof. Andrew Owen.
Owen... is also scientific advisor to the WHO’s COVID-19 Guideline Development Group. Just days before Dr. Hill’s paper was to be published, a $40M grant from Unitaid, the paper’s sponsor, was given to CELT —of which Owen is the project lead. “The $40 million contract was actually a commercial agreement between Unitaid, the University of Liverpool and Tandem Nano Ltd (a start-up company that commercializes ‘Solid Lipid Nanoparticle’ delivery mechanisms)— for which Andrew Owen is a top shareholder,” says Harper.Here is a summary of Harper's article. A link to Harper's article can be found at the end of the following article.
The IVM meta-analyses have been thoroughly debunked, mostly due to fraud in many underlying papers as well as later, larger studies that showed no effect.
RFK's book is now firmly out of date as there are multiple large trials of IVM showing now effect. Not that it was ever accurate to begin with.
Unclear why this needs to be re-litigated monthly – the data supporting IVM just gets worse and worse.
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Heartless wrote:
I’ve given a few random data drops of unvaxxed vs vaxxed data in a very large hospital system in MI here. Numbers have been dropping across the board, of course, but the Unvax vs Vax hospitalizations are now nearly even.
Here’s today’s data:
Hospitalized- 46 Unvax, 44 Vax
ICU- 6 Unvax, 3 Vax
Ventilator- 4 Unvax, 2 Vax
If these aren't corrected for basal vaccination rates, then this is evidence of strong vaccine efficacy.
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Courtesy of the vax mob mafia and their relentless fearmongering hysteria:
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The Janitor wrote:
DanM wrote:
SIGNIFICANT OVERCOUNT OF DEATHS
You're really grasping at straws here.
Let's just say that the total number of deaths in the entire country was reduced by the 15%, as in Massachusetts.
We're at about 1,000,000 deaths right now (990K, so I'll round up to make the math easier). That would be reduced to 850,000. What's your point?
How many of those 850k did not have at least two other life threatening health issues?
Answer, @ 50k. Tops
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DanM wrote:
I am shocked.
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carmine9 wrote:
The Janitor wrote:
You're really grasping at straws here.
Let's just say that the total number of deaths in the entire country was reduced by the 15%, as in Massachusetts.
We're at about 1,000,000 deaths right now (990K, so I'll round up to make the math easier). That would be reduced to 850,000. What's your point?
How many of those 850k did not have at least two other life threatening health issues?
Answer, @ 50k. Tops
Any proof????
Nope didn't think so.
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This policy can only be described as mean and cruel.
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On a lighter note, here's a funny story:
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2600 bro wrote:
More data that strong mask policies work well. 8X reduction in secondary cases!
What’s strange about these data is that the primary infection rate in masked schools is 3-4 x the rate in non-mask required schools. It could be they test more, but I’d guess they are likely mistaking some secondary cases for primary ones.
Particularly if they do test more (asymptomatic people), they are picking up cases that are harder to track, but were likely acquired in the school from unlinked sources.
Masks work if you have the correct ones that are worn properly, but the majority of kids wear surgical or cloth ones that are ineffective. Given the oddities of the data, this is probably just not a good study.
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