Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

It feels like Obama passed some things to help people that were in need and the Republicans passed things to help their wealthy donors.

Firstly, there was a massive recession when Obama came into office that diminished tax revenue and a big stimulus was needed to turn things around.

And simultaneously he pushed to address a health coverage issue that all sides wanted to do something about but he was able to accomplish something. And he didn't just do it with giveaways but looked for ways to make it revenue neutral.

Fast forward to 2017 and Obama handed off a steadily growing economy, contained deficit and a population that had millions more with healthcare than before.

So what did Republicans decide to do?

Blow up the debt to give the largest tax breaks to the highest earners and take away a healthcare mandate that will nudge millions to drop health coverage and disrupt the health insurance markets.

So it feels bad that we have now elected people that are selfish.

It seems like MOST meaning 90% or more of the people who criticize President Trump have less money than he does, doesn't it?

douglas burke wrote:

It seems like MOST meaning 90% or more of the people who criticize President Trump have less money than he does, doesn't it?

Were you drunk when you posted that ^ ?

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If you are not drunk at the current moment would you like to fill us in on what point you were trying to make?

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Pretty much

Nothing like some guy's blog to support your claim. What does the St. Louis Fed say in this older summary?

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2015/december/wealth-becoming-more-concentrated-richest-families

Since facts are a challenge, The authors concluded that economists have found that, in 2013, income inequality reached its highest level since the 1920s. They wrote: “Understanding the facts about inequality is the first step in assessing what can and should be done.”

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2016/june/how-has-income-inequality-changed-years

Here's more liberal fakery:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/01/how-wealth-inequality-has-changed-in-the-u-s-since-the-great-recession-by-race-ethnicity-and-income/

Those dirty liberals at the Federal Reserve that shows wealth being transferred intergenerationaly, not by merit, as well as the gap between the top 10% owning more than the bottom 90%, has increased.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scfindex.htm

But, yeah, Some guy at a blog got it right and the Federal Reserve got it wrong.

Did you even read the link that HL provided? Because your links do not in any way contradict what he said and what he linked to.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

The data comes from the US census bureau and shows no increase in individual income equality.

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And the census bureau published data and a summary that clearly states the wealth gap increases.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-156.html

So, now the Federal Reserve banking system is wrong, AND the census is wrong?

This is about the time a Clinton conspiracy theory is posted as "proof" of something having nothing to do with anything. Or, keep digging that hole. You choose.

Did you even read the link that HL provided? Because your link does not in any way contradict what he said and what he linked to.

(ah, but I repeat myself)

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Hardloper, you are literally the most brainwashed or most dishonest or possibly just dumbest (but I'll give you credit and vote for more likely on the other two) poster on here.

Ad hominem fallacy, eh? Lemme guess, you think that makes you sound smart, huh? Nope, just desperate. Because yes, sources do matter, especially if one is not an expert in the topic (and none of of us on are on this topic). But putting that aside for a moment, what did you do when I posted an opinion piece from a very well respected academic in economics on the history of tax cuts and raises on the the economy? Dismissed it with a wave of the hand and not even a read because...... it appeared in Salon.

That "debate" was going nowhere, so I did not see the point in reading the liberal version of Breitbart to continue arguing. However, since it does appear to be a lot better than most of the stuff they publish, I'll take a look later.

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Hardloper wrote:

Ad hominem fallacy. The data comes from the US census bureau and shows no increase in individual income equality. All changes in household inequality in every one of your graphics are from changing household demographics, thus they are irrelevant. You gotta do better than that brah.

The increase in top 1% is only due to change in family dynamics? Are you really going with that??? At some point in your life you need to wake up and smell the coffee!

LOL, was the census data hacked by the Russians? Please enlighten...

“We have to pass the bill to see what’s in the bill”. Does this sound familiar?

Democrats don't like to look at what their side did.

Democrats twist and bend things like no other political party on the planet.

They didn't have a care in the world when Obama lied over and over (250 documented times and that's being conservative).

They call anyone who didn't vote for him a racist, trying to guilt people when in fact, they are the real racists.

When over 91% of African Americans voted for Obama, were they racist?

Some, like Conundrum and Ohio guy enjoyed it and smiled.

Now they are frowning and saying "He can't do that, Trump's a liar" when Obama did it from day one in the Office.

This thread will go on and on for years to come and they'll complain till they get "their" way.

Then if they get their way, it'll be "Trump lied, why can't our side?", putting their "ancient news" ideology in a box until it's convenient for them to pull it out again.

Democrats are only happy when they get their way.

They call every and all Tax Cut Plans, Budget Ideas, Bills, HealthCare Programs, etc...from the other side, awful. Anything that their side lays out is perfect and without flaw.

They cry, b*tch and whine more than any political party that ever existed.

Not one started a thread about Obama and his "holiness" in 2008 or 2012, as they were content with the outcome and his lies did nothing to bother them in the least...as long as their health care deductibles didn't go up;).

Today, they go on this thread every single day, 7 days a week, trying to convince others how bad Trump is, but looked the other way at their own side who immediately flipped on his promises before even being sworn in (Pelosi called it campaign talk).

They can't answer or admit to anything, so they call it ancient news, although it was less than a year ago.

They post, "that's not what this thread is about" as if they think they can control what someone else types in the free world...think of the hypocrisy on that!!!!

Everything would be open and transparent to the public. Doors were closed and the Republicans were sent to the back of the bus. Can you imagine if Trump did that, "Old Ohio Guy" would have a baby while typing his nonsense at his computer!

The real reason is that they know they are wrong and can't combat the facts.

To even attempt to combat them will force them to admit that they had 8 years of the same thing that they are complaining about now. Again, see the hypocrisy?

But today, I smile:)

ACA was passed with much transparency, analysis and debate. This tax plan, to any thinking person, reflected a travesty in the way that it was rammed through congress. Seriously congress should be ashamed.

Conundrum wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

“We have to pass the bill to see what’s in the bill”. Does this sound familiar?

ACA was passed with much transparency, analysis and debate. This tax plan, to any thinking person, reflected a travesty in the way that it was rammed through congress. Seriously congress should be ashamed.

Like when Obama rammed his plans thru and threatened Executive Order on whatever he could? Kinda like that old fella?

You're not a thinking person. You just like to "think" that you are.

So there are some really off the wall responses here that don't deserve to be countered, so I won't.

Transparency or not, it's basically done.

They are getting big tax cuts that heavily favor the well off and we will have big deficits because of it.

I know my company is not handing out raises because of it.

Let's see how the money gets spent.

And let's see what happens to healthcare premiums and overall coverage.

And hey, we have a potential government shutdown coming up along with the old debt ceiling max and DACA will get kicked down the road.

Always something to talk about.

Like your off the wall responses? Use your brain, educate yourself on politics, and truly learn the difference between a liberal and a conservative. Google can be your friend if you let it.

Con. and LL are liberal cowards. They don't like facts, only theirs. Don't give them any of your time mega man. They'll only list the garbage that makes them sound good, yet are totally clueless on what was just passed.

What is being passed is a downward adjustment to the 7 tax brackets and a doubling of the standard deduction that is temporary and is set to expire for another fight down the road.

Also, a permanent decrease in the corporate tax rate from 35% down to 21%.

With straight budget numbers it will add $1.5 trillion in deficits over the next 10 years. The 10 year temporary window is due to the fact that the Senate could not get 60 yes votes.

The bulk of that $1.5 trillion in cuts will go to the highest earners.

These are all facts.

Now, most models say that this will generate $500 billion in new revenues do to growth created by it.

So it doesn't pay for itself and it is counting on inflation which will negate the spending power of much of the increased pay checks it will create.

Another fact is that it eliminates the healthcare mandate.

This is projected to "enable" people to drop their subsidized insurance and leave them uncovered.

Now, give us your alternative facts, please.

you post all matter of false and misleading material.

Just do a favor to the nation and read up on that quote eh? be a responsible part of democracy and stop lying and misleading. It's not that hard. I promise.

Pelosi meant that we, the people would understand the bill once it was passed...not that members of congress didnt' understand the bill.

This tax bill has unfortunately led this discussion more toward normal political debate in what is NOT a normal time for politics in the United States.

"The GOP...Pelosi...etc." Talking about that helps normalize the crazy that is in the White House, so I will bring this back on track to where it should be...

We have a lunatic criminal in the White House, and the focus should be on him and his removal.

All Putin has to do is praise Trump (well, Trump didn't do anything, our intelligence agencies did) and Trump then continues to lick Putin's boots. Also, nice how Trump et al. believe that our intelligence agencies are all a mess, except when they get a stamp of approval from Putin.

There has never been a bigger political puppet in American history than we have with Putin controlling Trump.

Just because the news focuses on this tax bill doesn't mean Mueller is not continuing his investigation. Insane that Trump's lawyers have been telling him that this investigation is nearing its end...was supposed to be Halloween and then Thanksgiving and then Christmas and then the New Year, but it hasn't been and won't be any of those. Trump advisor says if it isn't over soon that Trump will have a "meltdown". Will be interesting to see what the difference between his normal state and a meltdown is. Incidentally, there should be no pressure of an investigation if you know you didn't do anything wrong.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

I've noticed that the liberals consistently posting on this Godforsaken thread provide well-researched, well-vetted sources and speak in complete, articulate sentences. In contrast, the "conservatives" resort to grade school name-calling tactics, bullying, apples to oranges arguments, reflexively deflect to Obama/Hillary, and rely on easily disproved links and so forth to express their views.

The liberals are smarter, better grasp of subject matter, more egalitarian, are of higher character consistent with true Christianity, possess greater integrity, and conduct themselves like well-educated adults.

tl;dr American conservatives are amoral dipsh*ts.