Official LRC Kamala Harris for President Thread

Jorgon wrote:

Real Obvi wrote:

Don't look now but you've essentially morphed into Dee Dee.

When faced with facts, you simply call them fake news and go about making completely unsupported claims that make sense in your head so they must be true.

Just so you understand, you haven't provided any facts. Accordingly, I never called anything you posted "fake news," because as far as I can see, you haven't offered anything that could be labeled fake. Your cliched criticism above never happened.

You also have things logically azz-backwards. I didn't make any unsupported claims. You did (by your own admission too) -- "immigrants do essentially 100% of the jobs in the fields taking care of the crops that feed the nation. I don't know what percentage are illegal immigrants vs legal but I would suspect that a very large percentage are of the illegal variety." That's your admittedly unsupported claim. I disagreed with it.

I listed several factual things that would appear to make your unsupported claim -- which is essentially that large scale criminal conspiracies are going on in the California agri-business -- unlikely. I provided several reasons that it would be difficult to pull off conspiracies of the type you are claiming are happening. (And that assumes California agri-businesses even want to commit such felonies.) That's what transpired here, muffinhead. Not something else.

You appear to have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about. I personally know several undocumented workers who simply show up on the corner each morning and get picked up to go to work. They get paid in cash and are not on anyone's official payroll. I drive by quite a few such corners with hundreds of workers waiting to be picked up every day. And there is nothing unique about my town.
Sorry, but you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

I've seen that occur in my town too (except the corners weren't busting at the seams like your corners apparently are). 1) What I have not been able to do, unlike you, is conclude that that if such corner transactions ended (even assuming they are all done by illegal aliens), there would be "devastating effects" on the national economy. My brain doesn't allow for the far-reaching speculations that yours does. I believe I've provided quite a few reasons that your drastic conclusions are unlikely.

What you are doing is similar to what the MAG@s are doing with the Ohio cat eating plague engulfing the state or with the 2020 election denial. Find a few stories that appear to involve an illegal or improper action and then claim, without evidence, that it must be occurring on some enormous shocking scale with drastic societal impact.

I again challenge you to test the underpinnings of your drastic conclusions at your place of business, and to go hire an illegal immigrant off the books for a month. Go hire one of the undocumented/illegal workers that you say you know for a month off the books. My guess is that unless your place of business is actually a DIY project in your own back yard, that you will find it impossible to get the cash needed to pay your illegal immigrant without committing crimes at work yourself. It's not easy cooking the books and committing financial crimes without creating a paper trail to get your azz busted. Ask Trump. Even he and his lawyers and bean counters don't know how to do that sh!t. I doubt the Central Valley crop owners like Calavo Growers, Inc. know how to do it either.

Real Obvi wrote:

Jorgon wrote:

Just so you understand, you haven't provided any facts. Accordingly, I never called anything you posted "fake news," because as far as I can see, you haven't offered anything that could be labeled fake. Your cliched criticism above never happened.

You also have things logically azz-backwards. I didn't make any unsupported claims. You did (by your own admission too) -- "immigrants do essentially 100% of the jobs in the fields taking care of the crops that feed the nation. I don't know what percentage are illegal immigrants vs legal but I would suspect that a very large percentage are of the illegal variety." That's your admittedly unsupported claim. I disagreed with it.

I listed several factual things that would appear to make your unsupported claim -- which is essentially that large scale criminal conspiracies are going on in the California agri-business -- unlikely. I provided several reasons that it would be difficult to pull off conspiracies of the type you are claiming are happening. (And that assumes California agri-businesses even want to commit such felonies.) That's what transpired here, muffinhead. Not something else.

I've seen that occur in my town too (except the corners weren't busting at the seams like your corners apparently are). 1) What I have not been able to do, unlike you, is conclude that that if such corner transactions ended (even assuming they are all done by illegal aliens), there would be "devastating effects" on the national economy. My brain doesn't allow for the far-reaching speculations that yours does. I believe I've provided quite a few reasons that your drastic conclusions are unlikely.

What you are doing is similar to what the MAG@s are doing with the Ohio cat eating plague engulfing the state or with the 2020 election denial. Find a few stories that appear to involve an illegal or improper action and then claim, without evidence, that it must be occurring on some enormous shocking scale with drastic societal impact.

I again challenge you to test the underpinnings of your drastic conclusions at your place of business, and to go hire an illegal immigrant off the books for a month. Go hire one of the undocumented/illegal workers that you say you know for a month off the books. My guess is that unless your place of business is actually a DIY project in your own back yard, that you will find it impossible to get the cash needed to pay your illegal immigrant without committing crimes at work yourself. It's not easy cooking the books and committing financial crimes without creating a paper trail to get your azz busted. Ask Trump. Even he and his lawyers and bean counters don't know how to do that sh!t. I doubt the Central Valley crop owners like Calavo Growers, Inc. know how to do it either.

The fact remains, in spite of all these wonderful speculations that seem to make sense in your head, "75% of California's farm workers are undocumented."