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Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
hunter wheres the blow wrote:
Kamala has a narrow polling lead in important swing states, but Trump has outperformed his polling in the last two elections. Hillary had a huge lead in the polls. Biden had an even bigger lead than Hillary and barely won. If I had to put money on it, I would put my money on Trump.
I agree with you on the betting angle. However, Trump is the one with the narrow leads in the majority of the swing states, not Cackles.
If you can find an Electoral College bet on any Book that has Trump getting over 280 or 290- you will EASILY win that.
Kamala's word salads are like a riddle inside a mystery wrapped inside an enigma topped with nasty ranch and blue cheese dressing - just a gross schlop.
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truther wrote:
Jorgon wrote:
Discussions of immigration in the US seem to be all muddled. You have the MAG@s saying deportation of immigrants will save the lives of America's cats and dogs, and you have liberals apparently saying "our economy would collapse" if immigrants are deported. Both sound ridiculous.
There is a meaningful distinction between an illegal immigrant (someone in the country without authorization to be here) and a legal immigrant who is authorized to be here. I can't understand any argument that there is a benefit to an illegal immigrant entering the US and residing here. By definition there is no benefit. The "15,000,000 immigrants are deported" argument above seems to blend the two types of immigrants together to reach its wild, unsupported conclusions of US economic collapse.
There is also a meaningful distinction between immigrants from east-Asia being authorized to work here in highly-skilled technology jobs, and immigrants from anywhere in central and south America or the Caribbean (or Africa or the Mid-East) coming here to provide "cheap immigrant labor." We need the former to some degree and any need for the latter seems like a myth -- I've never bought into, nor seen any facts leading me to buy into, the whole "they do work that white Americans refuse to do" bit. I highly doubt there are such vast number of illegal immigrants in the US that are performing low skill, low pay work to where the "economy would collapse" if they were all sent home. Nor do I see illegal or legal immigrants doing work that white Americans feel too lazy and privileged to do. That's quite a neat perception of white America that liberals have conjured up.
Immigration is an issue in the election. Harris and the Democrats have handled it as poorly politically as possible and a lot of that comes from liberals actually defending illegal immigration -- this "we actually need illegality, it's actually a good thing." WTF? No it is not good to have a large stream of immigrants illegally crossing the border every day, taking up residence and consuming large amounts of society resources. That should not be happening on the scale it is and should be severely discouraged by government agents on horseback with whips and lassos and stuff.
Democrats have politically handled this poorly. Republicans have blocked legislation allowing illegal immigrants from legally working because they fear this is amnesty.
The Dems should be pounding the Republicans preventing immigrants from paying their way through work. Illegal entry into this country should be strongly and repeatedly condemned by all Democrats. Biden has voiced this but others haven't.
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Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Brishen wrote:
No Link?
You can pull up Nate Silver on X for all his posts.
“Trump remains the 60% favorite in JUST UPDATED Nate Silver 2024 election forecast:
ELECTORAL COLLEGE ODDS:
🔴 Trump: 60.1% (+20.4)
🔵 Harris: 39.7%”This is not in Nate Silver’s x posts. Do you have a link to it or did you make it up? If you made it up, why?
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Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
hunter wheres the blow wrote:
Kamala has a narrow polling lead in important swing states, but Trump has outperformed his polling in the last two elections. Hillary had a huge lead in the polls. Biden had an even bigger lead than Hillary and barely won. If I had to put money on it, I would put my money on Trump.
I agree with you on the betting angle. However, Trump is the one with the narrow leads in the majority of the swing states, not Cackles.
If you can find an Electoral College bet on any Book that has Trump getting over 280 or 290- you will EASILY win that.
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Wait a second. The Haitian immigrants that M@ga hates are here legally, the actual immigration they claim they support. Plus, Ohio is a red state governed by a super majority of Republicans. So why are they blaming Democrats?
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Even Germany is calling Trump a liar
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truther wrote:
Even Germany is calling Trump a liar
Even the German puppets?
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Nancy B. wrote:
If you're unaware of the degree to which immigrants (particularly from Latin America) have supplanted native-born Americans in low-wage jobs in agriculture, construction, and many other fields, you're just clueless, dude.
My job requires me to be on construction sites on a regular basis. I live in Indiana. In the last 20 years, there's been a massive shift here away from blue-collar white workers to Latin American immigrants. This has occurred nationwide, not just in Indiana. It's absolutely true that these are jobs no American wants anymore. This is hard, physical work that breaks a person down.
Many of the "illegals" that Trump refers to are not in fact illegal. They have arrived at a border crossing and applied for asylum. The massive backlog in these applications mean that they are legally released into our country and asked to return for their hearing. I'm sure some do and some don't. The process is completely broken, and people are taking advantage of it. One would hope that appropriate legislation to fix this would come around again after the election, and be taken seriously.
Agreed all around. Anyone who says that immigrants are not taking the jobs that blue-collar white citizens used to do but don't want to do anymore doesn't have any idea what is going on.
Here in California, immigrants do essentially 100% of the jobs in the fields taking care of the crops that feed the nation. I don't know what percentage are illegal immigrants vs legal but I would suspect that a very large percentage are of the illegal variety.
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truther wrote:
Even Germany is calling Trump a liar
Trump is de facto German. He got all his genes from his German father and none from his Scottish mother. Very unfortunate.
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Real Obvi wrote:
Nancy B. wrote:
If you're unaware of the degree to which immigrants (particularly from Latin America) have supplanted native-born Americans in low-wage jobs in agriculture, construction, and many other fields, you're just clueless, dude.
My job requires me to be on construction sites on a regular basis. I live in Indiana. In the last 20 years, there's been a massive shift here away from blue-collar white workers to Latin American immigrants. This has occurred nationwide, not just in Indiana. It's absolutely true that these are jobs no American wants anymore. This is hard, physical work that breaks a person down.
Many of the "illegals" that Trump refers to are not in fact illegal. They have arrived at a border crossing and applied for asylum. The massive backlog in these applications mean that they are legally released into our country and asked to return for their hearing. I'm sure some do and some don't. The process is completely broken, and people are taking advantage of it. One would hope that appropriate legislation to fix this would come around again after the election, and be taken seriously.
Here in California, immigrants do essentially 100% of the jobs in the fields taking care of the crops that feed the nation. I don't know what percentage are illegal immigrants vs legal but I would suspect that a very large percentage are of the illegal variety.
That percentage that you don't know about, but have no problem speculating about, would seem to be important to any of these discussions.
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truther wrote:
truther wrote:
Democrats have politically handled this poorly. Republicans have blocked legislation allowing illegal immigrants from legally working because they fear this is amnesty.
The Dems should be pounding the Republicans preventing immigrants from paying their way through work. Illegal entry into this country should be strongly and repeatedly condemned by all Democrats. Biden has voiced this but others haven't.
I wasn't aware of that proposal, but allowing illegal immigrants to work seems irrational and counterproductive to making the immigration illegal in the first place. You'd agree it sounds nuts, right? "You can't come in here, but if you get past security, feel free to stay and party." It certainly won't be a disincentive to illegal immigration.
And it would be amnesty of some kind. You think we'd allow an illegal to gain employment with all the government paperwork involved in that, and then go bust the guy the first day he shows up on the job for being illegal? Not likely. If an illegal gets an authorized job, they're in for good. How could they ever be deported? That proposal sounds nuts, even if it made some economic sense.
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Nancy B. wrote:
If you're unaware of the degree to which immigrants (particularly from Latin America) have supplanted native-born Americans in low-wage jobs in agriculture, construction, and many other fields, you're just clueless, dude.
My job requires me to be on construction sites on a regular basis. I live in Indiana. In the last 20 years, there's been a massive shift here away from blue-collar white workers to Latin American immigrants.
Illegal or legal immigrants? I guess either way I don't believe you. Illegal immigrants are simply not employed to the extent that there would be an economic collapse in the event of their (hopefully upcoming) removal to their home country. Legal immigrants -- I think you are seeing a demographic change in your area of Indiana. Whitey is not as lazy and/or privileged as you believe.
And I still find it hard to believe we are processing immigrant applications through on the basis of expertise in manual or low-skilled labor. That just seems unlikely (and stupid).
Sailing on the Nancy B. wrote:
This has occurred nationwide, not just in Indiana. It's absolutely true that these are jobs no American wants anymore. This is hard, physical work that breaks a person down.What about black Americans? I've heard they are hard working, eager and desperate for jobs. Why aren't they being hired to replace the neo-lazy whites? Or are we in this really weird situation where white employers will put aside their prejudices and go through the troubles of hiring Latin American immigrants, illegal and legal, but still won't hire black Americans who claim to be eager to work?
Again, I think you're witnessing a demographic change in your area rather than a new, potentially economy destroying, sea change in the industrious nature of white people. Just because we got the regatta question on the SAT correct doesn't mean we all actually own yachts where we sit around all day minimizing physical effort.
Sailing on the Nancy B. wrote:
Many of the "illegals" that Trump refers to are not in fact illegal. They have arrived at a border crossing and applied for asylum. The massive backlog in these applications mean that they are legally released into our country and asked to return for their hearing. I'm sure some do and some don't. The process is completely broken, and people are taking advantage of it. One would hope that appropriate legislation to fix this would come around again after the election, and be taken seriously.I've seen Trump collectively refer to all immigrants as Illegals. I have no doubt he does so to fire up his low IQ base (which is, ironically, full of white welfare queens as Vance once correctly noted). And I'm even more assured that Trump has no interest at all in fixing the problem you noted above. Where's the fun in fixing that?
But advocating for illegal immigration, even if cloaking it up with other arguments, is wrong politically and economically. Harris and other Democrats have played this wrong since day one. There are at least 11,000,000 illegal immigrants in the US and they are costing the country billions of dollars and at least one pet cat per year. To the extent any are employed, it is only through further illegality (fake IDs, impersonations). Illegal immigration is of absolutely no benefit to the US, and even completely ending it will have little effect on the economy.
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Brishen wrote:
“Trump remains the 60% favorite in JUST UPDATED Nate Silver 2024 election forecast:
ELECTORAL COLLEGE ODDS:
🔴 Trump: 60.1% (+20.4)
🔵 Harris: 39.7%”This is not in Nate Silver’s x posts. Do you have a link to it or did you make it up? If you made it up, why?
Silver is now owned/employed Trump mega supporter Peter Thiel. He jumped the shark.
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waitforit wrote:
I still can't believe the NYSE stopped trading on Trump Media as it was going through the roof. It was really headed for 30 or 40. Just like with the NY case, the rules for Trump are different at the SEC. IN fact they stopped trading twice rightfulling drawing the ire of DJT.
Something like a dozen companies had trading halts due to market volatility on Friday alone. Trump’s stock wasn’t treated any differently, nor should it be. Just because you and Trump think he deserves special treatment doesn’t make it so. I’ve met two year old that throw few tantrums than Trump.
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waitforit wrote:
Nancy B. wrote:
You sadly mistaken. Without immigrants, entire sectors of our economy would collapse. Construction, hospitality, agriculture, and others rely on cheap immigrant labor. If you think home prices and food prices are high now, wait until 15,000,000 immigrants are deported. Your prices will skyrocket, and entire sectors of the economy (like construction) will grind to a complete halt.
This would result in millions of Americans who are currently on welfare or fake disability coming off the roles to fill these jobs. So no impact except positive on the US economy. Enough entitlements already. Get to work like I have for the past 45 years.
What do you think that would do to the price of goods? You think inflation is bad now…
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truther wrote:
Newname wrote:
Even the German puppets?
Of course, anyone critical of Trump is either a communist, rhino, or a puppet.......or.......
And this will be a shock to you, they are telling the truth
That’s not true. Anyone that votes for Harris would certainly be considered these things. Man is mortal and sins. This is about ideology. If you want to confiscate guns so that only you have them, then you are a communist. yes.
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Trump using the ole, I will let you burn in wildfire if you don’t vote for me campaign pitch.
Trump: The automobile industry is dead. The water coming here is dead, and Gavin Newscum is going to sign those papers. And if he doesn't sign those papers, we won't give him money to put out all his fires. If we don’t give him the money, he’s got problems
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Tea party Trevor wrote:
Trump using the ole, I will let you burn in wildfire if you don’t vote for me campaign pitch.
Trump: The automobile industry is dead. The water coming here is dead, and Gavin Newscum is going to sign those papers. And if he doesn't sign those papers, we won't give him money to put out all his fires. If we don’t give him the money, he’s got problems
Disgusting tactics. Stalinesque.
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